July/August 2020 Game Thread

[fish16]

i wouldnt be surprised at all to see Urena AND elieser dealt tomorrow. if you can get a long term bat or two for them id be all for it. Elieser has been nice but you cant deny the MLB ready pitching coming. Trade from a strength to help build for the future. Edward cabera is either ready or about to be ready so i wouldnt be surprised to see a rotation the rest of the year of Sixto, Sandy, Pablo, Caleb Smith, and Edward Cabrera, with neidert mixed in there.

Id specifically look out for the yankees and/or padres on our starters.

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i also dont think caleb smith really has a spot in the rotation once we get all healthy so i could see him being dealt as well. I would love to see a rotation the rest of the year including Sandy, Sixto, Pablo, Rogers, Elieser/Neidert/Cabrera

[Lee Stone]

Can't wait to see Rogers go after the Mets tomorrow afternoon.

I liked what I saw of Tinoco. Sorry to see him depart.

Austin Nola in the news again: The Padres and Mariners are “in active talks” about a trade that would send Austin Nola to San Diego, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports (Twitter link). “A highly regarded prospect” would be going back to the M’s in the deal, according to ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan. Marlins were crazy to let him go.

Zac Gallen continues to roll. We should have talked Arizona into taking Alcantara instead ... though we probably tried.

[fish16]

i think we're gonna sell tomorrow... harold, caleb smith, elieser, urena, possibly villar.

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id look out for clint frazier in a yankees deal involving SP

[Maddawg]

and the goalpost keeps being moved back....is it going to be 2022 or 2023 to be "THE YEAR" now ?

When will some changes come in the front office ? They've lost most every trade in the last few years.

Some will of course hate the messanger instead if hating the message.....blame me for just pointing out the truth, call me an idiot, say "I know nothing" but I don't see much this organization has done to be better....the rating for the farm system was pretty much over-rated. Gave you guys a false sense of hope, even was starting to fool me. But the reality is setting in..... they can build some decent pitching, but it's clearly obvious they can't build an offensive team especially when it comes to power.

They've become so invisible, that on morning sports shows here in Miami, they talk about high school football before they talk about the Marlins, and when they do talk about them, it's all about how they traded guys away that are doing well, and they question the motives like I have, of the front office...are they really here to win or just to have a low payroll and make a profit ? They also say if this front office hasn't made a commitment to their future why should fans make a commitment to the Marlins ?

[tjfla]

Buying AND Selling today

Looking at vet RP like Matt Barnes/David Phelps, Jeff Mathis,Bryan Holaday and cheap power(Dylan Moore/Franco). When say cheap I mean trading a DFA player and Holloway or Brigham

Have talked to Seattle(big deal off but 2 guys still like)/LAA/Arizona/KC/Baltimore about BIG deals

Big deals meaning our SP/others for controllable talent like bat and RP. The issue right now is Miami is trying to trade Caleb Smith,Urena,Castano,Yamamoto while teams are asking on Cabrera/Rogers/Elieser/Garrett

KC-Soler/Staumont/Dozier/Barlow/Ian Kennedy
LAA-Buttrey/Jahmal Jones/Marsh/Rengifo/Butcher
Arizona-Archie Bradley/Sterling Marte/Jake Lamb/Yoan Lopez/Pavin Smith
Balt-Satander/Renato Nunez/Dillon Tate/Castro

Doubtful we would trade with any other NL contenders but teams like SD/LA/Atlanta/Cubs have called on our arms. Think we prefer to trade with AL teams

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They would really like guys who will be here in 2021 and longer.

Reason they havent made DFA moves by the way is cause they can still DFA and trade guys after today so no real point yet.

Gonna be fun to watch our 1PM game today-not sure we trade anyone playing but u could see guys pulled around 3PM

[fauowls44]

Buying AND Selling today

Looking at vet RP like Matt Barnes/David Phelps, Jeff Mathis,Bryan Holaday and cheap power(Dylan Moore/Franco)

Have talked to Seattle(big deal off but 2 guys still like)/LAA/Arizona/KC/Baltimore about BIG deals

Big deals meaning our SP/others for controllable talent like bat and RP. The issue right now is Miami is trying to trade Caleb Smith,Urena,Castano,Yamamoto while teams are asking on Cabrera/Rogers/Elieser/Garrett

KC-Soler/Staumont/Dozier/Barlow/Ian Kennedy
LAA-Buttrey/Jahmal Jones/Marsh/Rengifo/Butcher
Arizona-Archie Bradley/Sterling Marte/Jake Lamb/Yoan Lopez/Pavin Smith
Balt-Satander/Renato Nunez/Dillon Tate/Castro

Doubtful we would trade with any other NL contenders but teams like SD/LA/Atlanta/Cubs have called on our arms. Think we prefer to trade with AL teams

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They would really like guys who will be here in 2021 and longer.

Reason they havent made DFA moves by the way is cause they can still DFA and trade guys after today so no real point yet.

Gonna be fun to watch our 1PM game today-not sure we trade anyone playing but u could see guys pulled around 3PM

Why would they be looking at Mathis or Holaday? Neither are that big an improvement over Wallach.

A deal for Soler from KC with one of their RP could make a ton of sense.

Also, trading from our starting depth for an impact bat makes sense. I wouldn’t trade Sandy, Sixto, Pablo, or any of our top prospects, but I could definitely see them moving Smith/Urena/Elieser in the right deal.

[tjfla]

Why would they be looking at Mathis or Holaday? Neither are that big an improvement over Wallach.

They want 3 C and dont think Cervelli can C anymore this year. Remember u get a taxi squad on away games and we play tons of DH.

Mattingly loves them both and wouldnt cost more than a 24 yr old low level arm. Guess can look at it as a luxury

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Why would they be looking at Mathis or Holaday? Neither are that big an improvement over Wallach.

A deal for Soler from KC with one of their RP could make a ton of sense.

They would love a deal with KC/LAA/Arizona

KC-Soler and Staumont or even Barlow
LAA-Buttrey and Jahmal Jones OR Marsh
Arizona-Bradley and a bat like Sterling Marte with some cash

issue is they want a Rogers/Garrett or even Elieser and Marlins are talking Caleb/Urena/Castano

Right now for 2021 they have

Caleb
Sandy
Sixto
Rogers
Pablo
Neidert
Garrett
Castano
Mejia
Urena
Elieser
Cabrera

as 40 man guys who could be in the Rotation

Some teams still see Yamamoto/Holloway/Roberson as SP as well. So if u see Holloway dealt for a RP like Barnes or Phelps they might see him as a SP

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I would prefer to trade Caleb and they still might but u can trade both Rogers AND Elieser for RP and bat and be fine for 2021

Dont forget we have at least 20 million to spend in FA/trades too

Depending on what Cleveland does with Clevinger and Plesac u could see them make a run at 1 of our SP as well

[fauowls44]

I kind of look at it like Rogers/Garrett can slot in for Smith this year or next with Cabrera replacing Elieser, so if they can sell high on Hernandez now, I’d do it as long as you get a good enough bat back in the deal. Also, Neidert can replace Urena. Like you said, they’d still have plenty of depth. I also wonder if they move Monte or Sánchez in the right deal.

[tjfla]

NOT Saying they do this but u could do

KC-Rogers/Monte/minor
Miami-Soler/Scott Barlow/minor

LAA-Elieser/Harold/Conley
Miami-Jahmal Jones OR Marsh/Buttrey

Milw-Holloway
Miami-David Phelps

?-Caleb Smith/Brinson
Miami-Bat and ?

ALL guys under contract for 2021!!!

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I kind of look at it like Rogers/Garrett can slot in for Smith this year or next with Cabrera replacing Elieser, so if they can sell high on Hernandez now, I’d do it as long as you get a good enough bat back in the deal. Also, Neidert can replace Urena. Like you said, they’d still have plenty of depth.

1000%

Could even sign a vet LHP to replace Smith

KC and Arizona like Rogers and Garrett
LAA like any SP with a pulse

Sanchez NO but Monte YES and if they do a rAriz/KC or LAA trade I would expect him to be in it

On Caleb-alot have teams have asked about him about 2 issues are most teams have been NL contenders and offers havent been great (even tho its a sellers market) in Marlins eyes. Marlins dont seem to be to interested in helping a LA/SD/NL East team(Hard to blame them tho-u dont wanna trade Matt Joyce to Atlanta and then have him have a pinch hit in 10th to knock u out of playoffs or Caleb to SD and he throws a damn shutout)

[fish16]

caleb smith ruined any value he had. he's been constantly injured and super inconsistent. id trade him for an infield bat or catcher that could be a potential platoon guy or long term bench piece.

I think the 3 guys to go today are urena, smith, and one of the outfielders, likely harold ramirez or cooper.

[fauowls44]

caleb smith ruined any value he had. he's been constantly injured and super inconsistent.

I’m not sure that’s true. He’s a lefty starter with years of control. His value isn’t what it was last year, but I’d guess there are plenty of teams that would trade for him based on how good he was at the start of last year.

[Lee Stone]

Untouchables: Lopez, Sanchez, Rogers, Cabrera, Vesia

I'd love to have the Cuban Soler's bat, and would consider moving Alcantara in that case. I don't think that Caleb Smith would draw interest/get a significant return. Elieser Hernandez has been developed beautifully - the 8/1 K/W ration thus far has been super impressive. Urena has upside. Wish we had Asa Lacey as another lefty rotation piece.

Focus on today's game: If Rogers can harnass the slider and keep it near the corner and not a foot outside, he could be fantastic vs. the Mets lefty bats today.

Don't foresee any significant deadline trades.

[fish16]

worrying about trading mediocre starters within your own league or division is as stupid now as it always has been. worry about getting the best return.

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I’m not sure that’s true. He’s a lefty starter with years of control. His value isn’t what it was last year, but I’d guess there are plenty of teams that would trade for him based on how good he was at the start of last year.

absolutely, i just meant in terms of acquiring an impact bat. he has some value but its not close to what it was last year.

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Untouchables: Lopez, Sanchez, Rogers, Cabrera, Vesia

I'd love to have the Cuban Soler's bat, and would consider moving Alcantara in that case. I don't think that Caleb Smith would draw interest/get a significant return. Elieser Hernandez has been developed beautifully - the 8/1 K/W ration thus far has been super impressive. Urena has upside. Wish we had Asa Lacey as another lefty rotation piece.

Focus on today's game: If Rogers can harnass the slider and keep it near the corner and not a foot outside, he could be fantastic vs. the Mets lefty bats today.

Don't foresee any significant deadline trades.

you would be the single worst gm in history.

[tjfla]

caleb smith ruined any value he had. he's been constantly injured and super inconsistent.

Have u seen these prices? He has terrible value right now but its a sellers market-EVERY team except like 3(Miami is 1) need a SP and he is controllable

Elieser's value is thru the roof right now and even Trevor Rogers/Castano have lots of value. Would not be a surprise today if u see Rogers cruising thru the 4th inning and pulled all of sudden-Arizona/LAA/KC all want him!!

Caleb wont bring impact bat unless LAA get crazy today but Miami is fine with a prospects type package for him. Long as prospects arent close to Rule 5

[fish16]

so sixto went from an overweight bum to now being untouchable? how does lee never realize he consistently makes the same mistake and then just moves on to another pet project non prospect guy to rave about until that guy inevitably fails at the major league level?

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Have u seen these prices? He has terrible value right now but its a sellers market-EVERY team except like 3(Miami is 1) need a SP and he is controllable

Elieser's value is thru the roof right now and even Trevor Rogers/Castano have lots of value. Would not be a surprise today if u see Rogers cruising thru the 4th inning and pulled all of sudden-Arizona/LAA/KC all want him!!

ya ill guarantee you smith doesnt get anything significant. castano has 0 value and they wont trade trevor rogers.