Rays to Explore Splitting Games with Montreal.....any Reason to Worry ?

[tjfla]

But this is where I have a problem with your argument. If this guy has generational skills then why did TB trade him ? I trust the Rays FO much more than ours, because they have a track record. Why didn't they say to the Marlins, "hands-off" and why let him go for "a 29-year old middle reliever"? I bought the hype on Brinson, but not this time. Time will tell I guess...

Because they have tons of solid prospects and wanted a good RP for playoffs. See Urbina for a #1 Overall pick. But ya TB is Top 3 in trades-they do a great job in winning most of them. Trades,IFA and draft is reason TB is so damn good

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Yes Anderson is very good but he will be 30 next year,Miami is 2 years away from anything and we have about 20 RP in AAA/AA. That plus we got him for Brian Schales

Now if Anderson was 23 instead of 29 and we were 2 years away no chance in hell we would have dealt him. We got some very good RP arms with unique things coming up soon and NOT many 6'3 230lbs power bats. Before 2019 Sanchez was a TOP 40 prospect in baseball so he has talent. Don't be surprised if the market is as hot next year that we trade Steck/Stanek/Garcia/Brice. Miami loves the RP it has in the minors and if can get Top Prospects for any of the ML guys they will

I would made the trade 99 out of 100 times,the other time I would have asked for IFA Cash too

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Again, I'm negative on the Marlins all the time. I've berated them (probably too many times) about the fact that Michael Hill is still employed by the organization. The difference is I have objectivity, you have an agenda, and quite honestly your schtick was old a long time ago.

U realize that(confirmed few times over past year) Mike Hill is only around because he has a contract and Denbo doesn't want to go to GM stuff/sit in office and answer calls/do interviews? Mike Hill has some input on scouting(actually is a solid scout) but that it. Teams call talk to Mike Hill and if he hears something interesting transfer to Denbo or DJ. Pretty much a secretary

[Erick]

But at least we KNOW he can hold his own in the major leagues, but the Marlins decided to take a chance on a guy who maybe can and maybe can't play in the Majors....this group already did that with Lewis Brinson and BIG TIME WHIFFED. What makes you think they win this time ? Law of averages ? At some time the roster shuffling needs to end and they need to commit to players at the MLB level to draw fans back and give them some hope for the future....you can't continue to tell fans to be patient and trust the process, not a fanbase that has been this abused. Even diehards are starting to question if they should continue to wait or just move on because they stop caring.

Jeter and Sherman right now have a HUGE credibilty problem in Miami. I think Jeter thought his "precense" would be enough, because he is The Golden Boy, but this ain't NYC it's Miami and people now need to be shown that the ownership really cares about the future. Signing Brian Anderson is a big deal, but even on that they don't have much credibility because Yelich was on a friendly club deal and yet they got rid of him as soon as he opened his mouth, and same with Realmuto. How do we know if Anderson doesn't feel this way too, but he doesn't have the leverage just yet to express it publically ?

So the solution was to build around a soon-to-be 30-year-old reliever because we know he’s good? How many rebuilding teams are building around a 30-year-old reliever?

[tjfla]

So the solution was to build around a soon-to-be 30-year-old reliever because we know he’s good? How many rebuilding teams are building around a 30-year-old reliever?

Sounds like Brodie bragging that Edwin Diaz got 25 saves for a non playoff team.

Ill take a chance on a Top 40 22 yr old power hitting 5 tool OF anytime

[Maddawg]

So the solution was to build around a soon-to-be 30-year-old reliever because we know he’s good? How many rebuilding teams are building around a 30-year-old reliever?

No, but at some time you have to start building the MLB team and Anderson would have been someone reliable in the bullpen for probably the next couple of years. It's just frustrating that you don't see anything happening at the MLB level that gives you hope for the future. You could have reformed the MiLB system, and made all those trades and still had at least a competitive team on the MLB level. If their excuse is it was too expensive, then you don't buy the team. But the damage this has caused to the future MLB team to draw has been huge...many if not most of the posters on this board seem to not live in So Fla and do not have a pulse on how the community feels about the Marlins (the attendance should clue you in). Even if they start winning it's going to be a hard sell, because fans are CONVINCED that no matter what, the Marlins will trade them away once they show they can play. People here seem to pooh-pooh that idea, but unless this ownership shows some committment to players like Brian Anderson, South Florida will continue to ignore the Marlins.

[Nick]

No, but at some time you have to start building the MLB team and Anderson would have been someone reliable in the bullpen for probably the next couple of years. It's just frustrating that you don't see anything happening at the MLB level that gives you hope for the future. You could have reformed the MiLB system, and made all those trades and still had at least a competitive team on the MLB level. If their excuse is it was too expensive, then you don't buy the team. But the damage this has caused to the future MLB team to draw has been huge...many if not most of the posters on this board seem to not live in So Fla and do not have a pulse on how the community feels about the Marlins (the attendance should clue you in). Even if they start winning it's going to be a hard sell, because fans are CONVINCED that no matter what, the Marlins will trade them away once they show they can play. People here seem to pooh-pooh that idea, but unless this ownership shows some committment to players like Brian Anderson, South Florida will continue to ignore the Marlins.

I agree that now is the time to try and sign Anderson to a long-term extension, but doing it before now, wouldn't have made a lot of sense, there are really no other players on the roster other than Anderson that would make sense to give this type of extension, and even so, they did go out and give Rojas a nice deal, showing some loyalty to a guy who is a great clubhouse guy, and while still probably not a starter on a playoff team is continually exceeding expectations. Can we at least give them the offseason before bashing them for not giving Anderson extension? That's what the offseason is for, to get moves like this done.

[Maddawg]

I agree that now is the time to try and sign Anderson to a long-term extension, but doing it before now, wouldn't have made a lot of sense, there are really no other players on the roster other than Anderson that would make sense to give this type of extension, and even so, they did go out and give Rojas a nice deal, showing some loyalty to a guy who is a great clubhouse guy, and while still probably not a starter on a playoff team is continually exceeding expectations. Can we at least give them the offseason before bashing them for not giving Anderson extension? That's what the offseason is for, to get moves like this done.

I agree with that....but this off-season will tell us a lot I think about the future, and whether it's 2021 or even 2022 (which I have heard more lately) til they want to win...in which if they do that, they will have lost even diehards by that time. To expect a fanbase to endure 100+ (or near) losses 4 years in a row is really pushing it. And in this market a complete death sentence. The team this year was not just bad, it was BORING, especially when you have the year of the home runs, and to be so far down the list even the Detroit Tigers hit 3 more than the Marlins. The Twins and Yankees more than twice the Marlins total and the Astros almost did it. That's a snooze fest and that will not draw fans. If you wanna lose at least show something....because at this point being boring is worse than losing.

[rmc523]

It's not that they are gone, it was in the really callous way it was done. Especially for a front office that had just taken over, and hadn't proven anything yet. It was cocky and brash and it turned a lot of people off. You could have kept them for a year and then turned them out if you wanted to do it. Was saving that $300,000 you saved worth it ? I know some folks that did stop going to games because of itIt was just bad karma from the start for these folks, who in 2 years the ONLY accomplishments they have done, is improve the farm system (which is still speculative they might & might not ever live up to their present hype) and get rid of the ugly thing out in the outfield.

They have completely ignored the MLB team, and have put a really bad product on the field. Especially this past year....it was not just bad, but REALLY BORING. I don;t know the number of shutouts, but it has to be the most in MLB this past year. Can you blame fans for not showing up ? They had NO REASON to do so.

And watching Nick Anderson last night just was another kick to the nutz. Yes we have Jesus Sanchez but the Rays gave him up. They have the lowest payroll in baseball and 5 postseason appearances and that is with 2 of the most high profile and richest franchises in not just MLB but also in all of sports in their division. They are pretty damn smart at this thing....and they gave up Jesus Sanchez.

You know people that stopped going because they got rid of a few guys in the front office? Those sound like REAL fans.

So the Rays can afford to give up a "top 50 consensus prospect" for a reliever that has a 4 ERA, but has a 3-0 w/l record, and a 2.11 ERA in Tampa....so you think he was maybe playing crappy to get away from us ? I think there is more to that than you guys ever think about. It seems every time we trade for a player, he either plays worse once he gets here.....or the ones we trade away or let go play better where ever they end up. I just bring truth, and it disturbs your little Marlins bubble you live in.

And we are still waiting for the culture change with the Marlins.....it still feels like evil Loria is still running the team behind the scenes

They're trying to win. Sometimes in a race, you need to give up more than you'd want to get something that can help push you over the hump. Not sure why that's hard to understand.

No, but at some time you have to start building the MLB team and Anderson would have been someone reliable in the bullpen for probably the next couple of years. It's just frustrating that you don't see anything happening at the MLB level that gives you hope for the future. You could have reformed the MiLB system, and made all those trades and still had at least a competitive team on the MLB level. If their excuse is it was too expensive, then you don't buy the team. But the damage this has caused to the future MLB team to draw has been huge...many if not most of the posters on this board seem to not live in So Fla and do not have a pulse on how the community feels about the Marlins (the attendance should clue you in). Even if they start winning it's going to be a hard sell, because fans are CONVINCED that no matter what, the Marlins will trade them away once they show they can play. People here seem to pooh-pooh that idea, but unless this ownership shows some committment to players like Brian Anderson, South Florida will continue to ignore the Marlins.

I don't think anyone's denying that improvement is needed at the MLB level. But short of buying an entire roster on the FA market for a fortune (which itself isn't realistic), you can't realistically snap a finger and have the team be better overnight. There certainly will be a skeptical sentiment among south Florida about the Marlins and whether they'll keep the next core together. I'm skeptical too.....but the only way they can fix that reputation is to see the process through and then work to keep it together. You're judging them before seeing the result....and yes, given the team's history, it's certainly an earned skepticism. But damn, give them a chance. You're choosing to look at a single slice of the pie (the MLB team) and ignore the rest of the pie (the minors, the upcoming offseason, etc).

I'd also agree that you can't have 4 straight 100 loss seasons. And they won't. There should be an improvement each year moving forward as the minors guys they've acquired come up. We can't say how they'll do next year, as we don't know what moves they'll make this offseason. I doubt we'll see anything crazy, but we'll likely see a few moves.

[Maddawg]

You know people that stopped going because they got rid of a few guys in the front office? Those sound like REAL fans.



They're trying to win. Sometimes in a race, you need to give up more than you'd want to get something that can help push you over the hump. Not sure why that's hard to understand.



I don't think anyone's denying that improvement is needed at the MLB level. But short of buying an entire roster on the FA market for a fortune (which itself isn't realistic), you can't realistically snap a finger and have the team be better overnight. There certainly will be a skeptical sentiment among south Florida about the Marlins and whether they'll keep the next core together. I'm skeptical too.....but the only way they can fix that reputation is to see the process through and then work to keep it together. You're judging them before seeing the result....and yes, given the team's history, it's certainly an earned skepticism. But damn, give them a chance. You're choosing to look at a single slice of the pie (the MLB team) and ignore the rest of the pie (the minors, the upcoming offseason, etc).

I'd also agree that you can't have 4 straight 100 loss seasons. And they won't. There should be an improvement each year moving forward as the minors guys they've acquired come up. We can't say how they'll do next year, as we don't know what moves they'll make this offseason. I doubt we'll see anything crazy, but we'll likely see a few moves.

I think it was not just because of them dismissing the guys, but the way it was done, and it was more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" type thing. I have 2 co-workers one of which had a framed picture on his desk of himself, his son & 'Niner, amd he's even gotten it signed by Conine. The other one said just like I did - BORING. He went to more games than I did, but we lost each one, and they only scored a total of 6 runs in the 5 games he went to.

This off-season a lot of people are watching to see if they make a concerted effort to win, or they just hire a couple of washed up veterans that they can get for cheap. I don't expect them to break the bank, but come on - they can do better than Neil Walker & Curtis Granderson

[The Canadian]

Boy Fangraphs sure nailed that

They were off by 4 games.

They HORRIBLES

[Nick]

Wow The Canadian coming in and bringing heat.