Rays to Explore Splitting Games with Montreal.....any Reason to Worry ?

[Party]

I'm so tired of people bringing up the Conine, Dawson, and Perez firings. I seriously doubt that any of them were providing any real substance to make them worth the salaries they were being paid. It's not that serious. Based on the team's performance over the last 15 years it seems like they were expandable like most of the old front office.

None of those guys were legends as Marlins. Conine was our first fan favorite, but he wouldn't even crack the top 30 list of all-time great Marlins. And he was a terrible analyst!

[Maddawg]

Hey Madaawg, Fangraphs has the Marlins winning 61 games this year. Let that sink in for a moment.

Boy Fangraphs sure nailed that

[Maddawg]

I'm so tired of people bringing up the Conine, Dawson, and Perez firings. I seriously doubt that any of them were providing any real substance to make them worth the salaries they were being paid. It's not that serious. Based on the team's performance over the last 15 years it seems like they were expandable like most of the old front office.

None of those guys were legends as Marlins. Conine was our first fan favorite, but he wouldn't even crack the top 30 list of all-time great Marlins. And he was a terrible analyst!

It's not that they are gone, it was in the really callous way it was done. Especially for a front office that had just taken over, and hadn't proven anything yet. It was cocky and brash and it turned a lot of people off. You could have kept them for a year and then turned them out if you wanted to do it. Was saving that $300,000 you saved worth it ? I know some folks that did stop going to games because of itIt was just bad karma from the start for these folks, who in 2 years the ONLY accomplishments they have done, is improve the farm system (which is still speculative they might & might not ever live up to their present hype) and get rid of the ugly thing out in the outfield.

They have completely ignored the MLB team, and have put a really bad product on the field. Especially this past year....it was not just bad, but REALLY BORING. I don;t know the number of shutouts, but it has to be the most in MLB this past year. Can you blame fans for not showing up ? They had NO REASON to do so.

And watching Nick Anderson last night just was another kick to the nutz. Yes we have Jesus Sanchez but the Rays gave him up. They have the lowest payroll in baseball and 5 postseason appearances and that is with 2 of the most high profile and richest franchises in not just MLB but also in all of sports in their division. They are pretty damn smart at this thing....and they gave up Jesus Sanchez.

[Nick]

Boy Fangraphs sure nailed that

They were off by 4, you were off by 16. Also they probably didnt predict the Marlins would lose their best player for the last month and a half.

[Maddawg]

They were off by 4, you were off by 16. Also they probably didnt predict the Marlins would lose their best player for the last month and a half.

I'm not a supposed expert, but I still have a real fan's POV. They get no slack, as you guys treat what they say as they are Gods. You guys are just pissed because I bring a real fan's observations & POV to the forum, and refuse to kiss Jeter's nutsack.

[Nick]

I'm not a supposed expert, but I still have a real fan's POV. They get no slack, as you guys treat what they say as they are Gods. You guys are just pissed because I bring a real fan's observations & POV to the forum, and refuse to kiss Jeter's nutsack.

You're not any kind of expert, you bring an idiot's observations, your only reason to be here is to stir up shit.

Congratulations for just noticing the Rays are a well-run organization. Sorry you're so heartbroken 29-year old reliever Nick Anderson, who had a 4 ERA with us is on a playoff team. Definitely not worth dealing him for a 21-year old consensus top 50 prospect. Surprised you're not calling him a bust despite your zero insight on him.

[Maddawg]

You're not any kind of expert, you bring an idiot's observations, your only reason to be here is to stir up shit.

Congratulations for just noticing the Rays are a well-run organization. Sorry you're so heartbroken 29-year old reliever Nick Anderson, who had a 4 ERA with us is on a playoff team. Definitely not worth dealing him for a 21-year old consensus top 50 prospect. Surprised you're not calling him a bust despite your zero insight on him.

So the Rays can afford to give up a "top 50 consensus prospect" for a reliever that has a 4 ERA, but has a 3-0 w/l record, and a 2.11 ERA in Tampa....so you think he was maybe playing crappy to get away from us ? I think there is more to that than you guys ever think about. It seems every time we trade for a player, he either plays worse once he gets here.....or the ones we trade away or let go play better where ever they end up. I just bring truth, and it disturbs your little Marlins bubble you live in.

And we are still waiting for the culture change with the Marlins.....it still feels like evil Loria is still running the team behind the scenes

[Nick]

Again, I'm negative on the Marlins all the time. I've berated them (probably too many times) about the fact that Michael Hill is still employed by the organization. The difference is I have objectivity, you have an agenda, and quite honestly your schtick was old a long time ago.

[Erick]

Nick Anderson was not playing crappy with us to get away from us. As a matter of fact, he wasn’t crappy at all. His strikeout rate was always phenomenal. That was a trade that made sense for both teams.

[Maddawg]

Nick Anderson was not playing crappy with us to get away from us. As a matter of fact, he wasn’t crappy at all. His strikeout rate was always phenomenal. That was a trade that made sense for both teams.

Nick was the one that pointed out his ERA 1st.....I just noted he played better after he was traded to Tampa. And you don't know it any better than I do, is it just coincidental that players often have a better season after or before they come to the Marlins franchise ? I speculate there is something to that.

History says this franchise only has made the playoffs 7.4% of the time ....the Rays OTHO 23,8%, Diamondbacks 28.6%, and Rockies 18.5%....the Marlins have had all the same chances these teams have had yet have come up short against them all

[Erick]

Nick was the one that pointed out his ERA 1st.....I just noted he played better after he was traded to Tampa. And you don't know it any better than I do, is it just coincidental that players often have a better season after or before they come to the Marlins franchise ? I speculate there is something to that.

History says this franchise only has made the playoffs 7.4% of the time ....the Rays OTHO 23,8%, Diamondbacks 28.6%, and Rockies 18.5%....the Marlins have had all the same chances these teams have had yet have come up short against them all

I mean, to be fair, Nick Anderson was a minor league free agent before he got to us.

[Maddawg]

I mean, to be fair, Nick Anderson was a minor league free agent before he got to us.

But at least we KNOW he can hold his own in the major leagues, but the Marlins decided to take a chance on a guy who maybe can and maybe can't play in the Majors....this group already did that with Lewis Brinson and BIG TIME WHIFFED. What makes you think they win this time ? Law of averages ? At some time the roster shuffling needs to end and they need to commit to players at the MLB level to draw fans back and give them some hope for the future....you can't continue to tell fans to be patient and trust the process, not a fanbase that has been this abused. Even diehards are starting to question if they should continue to wait or just move on because they stop caring.

Jeter and Sherman right now have a HUGE credibilty problem in Miami. I think Jeter thought his "precense" would be enough, because he is The Golden Boy, but this ain't NYC it's Miami and people now need to be shown that the ownership really cares about the future. Signing Brian Anderson is a big deal, but even on that they don't have much credibility because Yelich was on a friendly club deal and yet they got rid of him as soon as he opened his mouth, and same with Realmuto. How do we know if Anderson doesn't feel this way too, but he doesn't have the leverage just yet to express it publically ?

[Nick]

But at least we KNOW he can hold his own in the major leagues, but the Marlins decided to take a chance on a guy who maybe can and maybe can't play in the Majors....this group already did that with Lewis Brinson and BIG TIME WHIFFED. What makes you think they win this time ? Law of averages ? At some time the roster shuffling needs to end and they need to commit to players at the MLB level to draw fans back and give them some hope for the future....you can't continue to tell fans to be patient and trust the process, not a fanbase that has been this abused. Even diehards are starting to question if they should continue to wait or just move on because they stop caring.

Jeter and Sherman right now have a HUGE credibilty problem in Miami. I think Jeter thought his "precense" would be enough, because he is The Golden Boy, but this ain't NYC it's Miami and people now need to be shown that the ownership really cares about the future. Signing Brian Anderson is a big deal, but even on that they don't have much credibility because Yelich was on a friendly club deal and yet they got rid of him as soon as he opened his mouth, and same with Realmuto. How do we know if Anderson doesn't feel this way too, but he doesn't have the leverage just yet to express it publically ?

Because 1 top prospect was a bust, we should never take a chance on a top prospect again? Ok fella. That 29-year old reliever was really going to take us to the promise land can't believe we didn't see it coming.

Pretty much every great player that we've ever had has been a top prospect. Sheffield, Beckett, Cabrera, Hanley, Stanton, Jose need, Yelich need I go on? How the F do you think Tampa Bay team you were just praising was built? They didn't go out and bring in a bunch of major league free agents with their lowest payroll in the big leagues. Tampa Bay won 68 games in 2016, they had to go through the process, and they weren't in nearly the hole that Loria left our minor league system in. Either understand the process or stop watching the team.

They do need to spend some money on the team, for sure, now's the time, but your take on the trade with TB is all-time bad. They could spend all their money on Free Agents this year be a top 5 payroll team and they still wouldn't get where they need to be unless they take these types of chances on top prospects like they did in the TB trade. Anderson is a nice middle reliever on a playoff team, Jesus Sanchez has the potential to be the type of player that elevates an entire team.

[Maddawg]

Because 1 top prospect was a bust, we should never take a chance on a top prospect again? Ok fella. That 29-year old reliever was really going to take us to the promise land can't believe we didn't see it coming.

Pretty much every great player that we've ever had has been a top prospect. Sheffield, Beckett, Cabrera, Hanley, Stanton, Jose need, Yelich need I go on? How the F do you think Tampa Bay team you were just praising was built? They didn't go out and bring in a bunch of major league free agents with their lowest payroll in the big leagues. Tampa Bay won 68 games in 2016, they had to go through the process, and they weren't in nearly the hole that Loria left our minor league system in. Either understand the process or stop watching the team.

They do need to spend some money on the team, for sure, now's the time, but your take on the trade with TB is all-time bad. They could spend all their money on Free Agents this year be a top 5 payroll team and they still wouldn't get where they need to be unless they take these types of chances on top prospects like they did in the TB trade. Anderson is a nice middle reliever on a playoff team, Jesus Sanchez has the potential to be the type of player that elevates an entire team.

But this is where I have a problem with your argument. If this guy has generational skills then why did TB trade him ? I trust the Rays FO much more than ours, because they have a track record. Why didn't they say to the Marlins, "hands-off" and why let him go for "a 29-year old middle reliever"? I bought the hype on Brinson, but not this time. Time will tell I guess...

[Nick]

But this is where I have a problem with your argument. If this guy has generational skills then why did TB trade him ? I trust the Rays FO much more than ours, because they have a track record. Why didn't they say to the Marlins, "hands-off" and why let him go for "a 29-year old middle reliever"? I bought the hype on Brinson, but not this time. Time will tell I guess...

Same reason we traded Adrian Gonzalez in 2003 for Ugueth Urbina. They're trying to win a championship this year.