Trade Deadline Watch 2017

[fish16]

This whole dumping strategy from a fan standpoint is completely and utterly useless to us on the field even long term unless we start actually investing in the draft, player development, and IFA. The teams that have done this right (Astros, Cubs, Braves, Yankees, Whitesox) all dumped veterans, but they also invested heavily in rebuilding their system in other ways.

Simply dumping a guy like say Gordon has no impact on any fan here besides whoever the eventual owner is unless it is reinvested in the team.

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Looks like the plan. Colorado we asked on IF Ryan McMahon(doubt we get him with the year he has had),Arizona we asked about MIF Leyba,IF Dawel Lugo and MIF Reinheimer and NYY we asked on MIF Tyler Wade

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They want pitching too but looks like they are interested in trying to get a ML Ready MIF. Will probably depend on the team they deal with but the goal is best prospect they can get. Doubt they will tell a team NO if they only offering arms-hard to be picky when u have the worst farm system in baseball

PROFAR! Been saying for months he is a perfect buy low guy. But we never do that.

[rmc523]

From Mark Feinsand:

• Brad Ziegler is being shopped around by the Marlins, who, according to a source, are willing to eat a substantial amount of money on the right-handed reliever's contract. Ziegler is owed a little more than $3 million for the rest of this season, and he will earn $9 million in 2018.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242643...t-at-deadline/

It's not often you see that sentence with the Marlins involved.

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Also, I read Conley is supposed to start tomorrow.

[tjfla]

From Mark Feinsand:



http://m.mlb.com/news/article/242643...t-at-deadline/

It's not often you see that sentence with the Marlins involved.

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Also, I read Conley is supposed to start tomorrow.

Yep Conley starts tommorrow

Telling u Jeff is trying to lose money for next year(even if that means 4 million dollars) he will probably have to pay guys next year and he doesn't want to. Reason I keep talking about "salary dumps"

Ziegler is likely an after the trade deadline guy

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Least u salary dump guys should be happy about this

Martin Prado back on the DL so unlikely to be dealt until the offseason. Rojas gets the call up

Look for the Dee Gordon talk to ramp up now.

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U missed this part of the article(Very Very Doubtful they will now but Carson Kelly(Only cause he is best prospect),Hudson,Bader,Junior Fernandez or Alcantara and another arm or 2 for Ozuna and a RP makes alot of sense). Eventually trade Carson Kelly for more pitching

The Marlins have indicated that they aren't trying to sell any of their young, controllable stars, but that doesn't mean they aren't looking around just in case an offer too good to refuse comes their way.

With that in mind, a source told MLB.com that a top baseball operations executive was in Arkansas last week to get a first-hand look at right-hander Dakota Hudson, the Cardinals' first-round pick in the 2016 Draft. Despite throwing only 13 1/3 innings in Rookie ball and Class A last year following the Draft, the 22-year-old Hudson was sent to Double-A Springfield to start '17. He has looked good, posting a 2.77 ERA with 69 strikeouts, 30 walks, and just five homers allowed in 100 2/3 innings.

The Cards are looking for outfield help, so it's possible they're trying to put together a package to land either Christian Yelich or Marcell Ozuna. Yelich is signed for $43.25 million over the next four years, while Ozuna has two years of arbitration eligibility remaining beyond 2017.

[AdamRavs]

If we got Hudson. He would be in the middle of his first game and would need TJ surgery.

[tjfla]

Don't worry about Bour to NYY anymore. Yanks have moved onto Yonder Alonso since Fish won't talk Bour

Looks like everyone is getting their wish-we are keeping Bour,Yelich,Ozuna,JT,Stanton,Straily,Prado

Hey atleast we will be mid pack the next 4 years. Guess picking between 10-15 every year is a relief to most Miami fans. Let's not rebuild when u can get the highest value just pay 100 million to be mid pack and then rebuild anyway in 2019/2020 when guys are ready for FA. Just know if Jeff owns the team next year he isn't spending any cash in FA and the rotation will likely be Straily,Urena,Conley,Peters,Trevor Richards. Those 12-10 games will be action packed tho

[fauowls44]

Don't worry about Bour to NYY anymore. Yanks have moved onto Yonder Alonso since Fish won't talk Bour

Looks like everyone is getting their wish-we are keeping Bour,Yelich,Ozuna,JT,Stanton,Straily. Hey atleast we will be mid pack the next 4 years

I don't think that's what people are hoping for...I think everyone is open to trade those players as long as Loria/Hill aren't the ones doing it.

Also, those players are all good and cheap (except Stanton)...so no reason to dump them just to save Loria money. You can build around a core of Stanton, Yelich, Realmuto, Ozuna and Bour...at least a competent front office could. Getting good value for our relievers would be a good enough start until the sale is done.

[rmc523]

If we got Hudson. He would be in the middle of his first game and would need TJ surgery.

Like Rae?

I don't think that's what people are hoping for...I think everyone is open to trade those players as long as Loria/Hill aren't the ones doing it.

Also, those players are all good and cheap (except Stanton)...so no reason to dump them just to save Loria money. You can build around a core of Stanton, Yelich, Realmuto, Ozuna and Bour...at least a competent front office could. Getting good value for our relievers would be a good enough start until the sale is done.

This. I realize that since they are young, cheap, and good, that they will bring the most value, but that also makes them a great core to build around. I'd be open to trading some of them (I still think at least Yelich and Realmuto should stay at minimum, and Stanton likely isn't going anywhere unless we don't win and he opts out to do so somewhere else), but the core is here. And I'm ok with trading the relievers too to get some pieces back. But I don't trust Hill/Loria to make any moves involving the core guys......they've repeatedly shown they'll make worse moves just to get rid of salary, which would defeat the entire purpose of entering a rebuild.

[sports24/7]

Don't worry about Bour to NYY anymore. Yanks have moved onto Yonder Alonso since Fish won't talk Bour

Looks like everyone is getting their wish-we are keeping Bour,Yelich,Ozuna,JT,Stanton,Straily,Prado

Hey atleast we will be mid pack the next 4 years. Guess picking between 10-15 every year is a relief to most Miami fans. Let's not rebuild when u can get the highest value just pay 100 million to be mid pack and then rebuild anyway in 2019/2020 when guys are ready for FA. Just know if Jeff owns the team next year he isn't spending any cash in FA and the rotation will likely be Straily,Urena,Conley,Peters,Trevor Richards. Those 12-10 games will be action packed tho

Where you pick in the MLB draft is irrelevant. It's not the NFL or the NBA, it's the biggest crap shoot by far in all of sports. The Marlins two best players were drafted in round 2 and an undrafted FA. The best player they've had over the past decade was drafted with the 14th pick. The best player in baseball (probably of our generation) was drafted 25th.

No one is saying to keep this team together in a vacuum. But the notion that it's a good idea to let this front office try and maximize value for these players is silly. They've proven time and time again that they're bad at identifying ML talent and/or negotiating for them.

[tjfla]

Where you pick in the MLB draft is irrelevant. It's not the NFL or the NBA, it's the biggest crap shoot by far in all of sports. The Marlins two best players were drafted in round 2 and an undrafted FA. The best player they've had over the past decade was drafted with the 14th pick. The best player in baseball (probably of our generation) was drafted 25th.

No one is saying to keep this team together in a vacuum. But the notion that it's a good idea to let this front office try and maximize value for these players is silly. They've proven time and time again that they're bad at identifying ML talent and/or negotiating for them.

Meant it more as they will be finishing mid pack not a terrible team but not a playoff team either

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From Nightengale

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nez/484205001/

Marlins movement

The Miami Marlins, who not only are up for sale, but open for business, are hoping to dump money by moving Prado and second baseman Dee Gordon, who’s still owed $51 million through 2021.

Sure, Giancarlo Stanton and the $295 million left in his contract is available, too, but they haven’t received a single call of interest. Stanton would be willing to waive his no-trade clause to return home to California. Yet, for the Dodgers or San Francisco Giants to acquire him, he’d likely have to agree to opt out of his contract in 2020. Sorry, that’s not happening.

The Marlins are drawing the most attention with veteran reliever David Phelps, with the New York Yankees, Red Sox, Brewers, Cubs, Colorado Rockies and Texas Rangers showing the most interest.

And the Toronto Blue Jays and Philadelphia Phillies have engaged in preliminary trade talks for Gordon.

Prediction: Phelps goes to the Red Sox, Gordon goes to Philadelphia, and outfielders Christian Yelich and Marcell Ozuna are traded this winter.

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I wouldnt want Mike Hill or Jeff around a rebuild either but some of these deal I heard offered for our guys,its gonna be very hard to screw up.(We all know they would anyway) Not sure if these teams are just trying to open up the conversations on Yelich,Ozuna,Bour,Straily but some names thrown around are nuts.

New rumor isn't helping much either-Rumor is Jeff is waiting for Jeter to get the money together and then sell to him. Problem is Jeter wants to wait till Oct/Nov and even then he still might not have the cash. This is a reason u hear Jeff wants to lose money for next year(Likely he will still have to pay salaries)

[fish16]

Don't worry about Bour to NYY anymore. Yanks have moved onto Yonder Alonso since Fish won't talk Bour

Looks like everyone is getting their wish-we are keeping Bour,Yelich,Ozuna,JT,Stanton,Straily,Prado

Hey atleast we will be mid pack the next 4 years. Guess picking between 10-15 every year is a relief to most Miami fans. Let's not rebuild when u can get the highest value just pay 100 million to be mid pack and then rebuild anyway in 2019/2020 when guys are ready for FA. Just know if Jeff owns the team next year he isn't spending any cash in FA and the rotation will likely be Straily,Urena,Conley,Peters,Trevor Richards. Those 12-10 games will be action packed tho

You can rebuild without completely stripping it down. Hell, we have a core that can win if they invest in the minor leagues and IFA and dont cheap out at every possible point for no reason. Also, Mike Hill should have no part in any deals where we would be rebuilding, nor should any body from this current regime in both front office and ownership. If waiting 3 months for a total tear down means this group in the front office isnt the one doing it, lets wait.

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Also, being middle of the pack in baseball is completely different than the NFL or NBA as far as rebuilding.

[tjfla]

You can rebuild without completely stripping it down. Hell, we have a core that can win if they invest in the minor leagues and IFA and dont cheap out at every possible point for no reason. Also, Mike Hill should have no part in any deals where we would be rebuilding, nor should any body from this current regime in both front office and ownership. If waiting 3 months for a total tear down means this group in the front office isnt the one doing it, lets wait.

Our core is bats,as seen with this year if u dont have pitching u are screwed. We have 1 arm close to the majors(Dillon Peters) and that is it. If we had a Top 10 Farm System u are right,u dont have to strip it all down but we have the worst system in baseball. If u invest in IFA those guys are 4 years off and drafting isn't like it used to.

Like said u are right u can rebuild without full strip but u are going to be in the same spot in 2020 as u are now. U will get more for Ozuna and Bour now then when they are close to FA

U realize Mike Hill is gonna be around next year too right? Jeff will likely own the team and have to pay in April 2018 especially if he doesnt agree to sell soon. Even if he does sell soon,u cant hire a FO till the sale is approved which means this is pretty much the same team minus AJ,McGowan,Phelps,Ichiro,Ellis and Possibly Volquez,Ziegler,Tazawa,Gordon,Prado

[fish16]

Our core is bats,as seen with this year if u dont have pitching u are screwed. We have 1 arm close to the majors(Dillon Peters) and that is it. If we had a Top 10 Farm System u are right,u dont have to strip it all down but we have the worst system in baseball. If u invest in IFA those guys are 4 years off and drafting isn't like it used to.

Like said u are right u can rebuild without full strip but u are going to be in the same spot in 2020 as u are now. U will get more for Ozuna and Bour now then when they are close to FA

I agree that trading Bour is the smart move. Allowing Mike Hill to get anywhere near trading our core bats is not. No one is saying we dont need pitching. But there are other avenues to develop and acquire starting pitching. Also, 4 years is on the far end if you pour enough money and resources into rebuilding. Look at the Braves.

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This team is middle of the pack because of horrific management and a cheapskate owner on top of just shit luck in Jose dying. Between unnecessarily adding depth players in previous trades to investing and spending 0 money in both the draft and free agency. This team isnt bad because of shit luck. This team is bad and it is entirely fixable because of how cheap our owner is. It used to be the best teams in baseball just outspend on major league free agents. The reality now is that the best teams outspend the bad teams in the draft and IFA and always have an abundance of cheap talent available because of that. Look at the consistently good young talent the Red Sox have, the Astros now have, the Braves are in the process of developing, etc.

This team is bad for no reason other than our owner doesnt spend money and our front office is horrific at recognizing and developing talent. It is entirely fixable without going full White Sox.

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And im cool continuing to roll back the majority of this lineup while simultaneously investing much better in player development, IFA, and the draft and just being mediocre for a little while and making deals when they present themselves.

[tjfla]

Well Yankees are done shopping already.

Getting Frazier,Robertson and Kahnle from Sox for Blake Rutherford,Ian Clarkin and more

Ken Williams and Rick Hahn showing MLB how to rebuild. Pick a year(2019) and get prospects who will be ML ready then while getting rid of salary/guys who will be gone by then

So Chicago OF for 2019 is Jimenez,?,Rutherford and just in case 1 of their 8 SP pitching guys isn't ready they also got another SP. They now have 9 SP prospects under the age of 23 and Rodon.

[dim]

White Sox and Braves have clearly the most stacked minor league systems in baseball. They're doing what the Astros did the past few years (and to a certain extent the Cubs before them), and we saw how that has worked out to create legit contenders.

That said it seems the Yankees won that trade (for now at least). Some of the prospects the White Sox got still have question marks, not to mention Clippard seems to be declining. The performance the Yankees will get from Frazier, Robertson, and Kahnle is pretty predictable, with the Yankees able to bank on solid play from all 3. Funny how the Yankees built Robertson into a legit closer, let him sign for big money somewhere else and is now bringing him back at the end of that contract.

[tjfla]

White Sox and Braves have clearly the most stacked minor league systems in baseball. They're doing what the Astros did the past few years (and to a certain extent the Cubs before them), and we saw how that has worked out to create legit contenders.

That said it seems the Yankees won that trade (for now at least). Some of the prospects the White Sox got still have question marks, not to mention Clippard seems to be declining. The performance the Yankees will get from Frazier, Robertson, and Kahnle is pretty predictable, with the Yankees able to bank on solid play from all 3. Funny how the Yankees built Robertson into a legit closer, let him sign for big money somewhere else and is now bringing him back at the end of that contract.

Thats how teams are made and titles won now,no point in keeping Robertson to save your 60 wins next year. CWS,Atlanta,SD all will be something by 2019/20 and they dont really even need all of the guys to pan out. U get 10-15 guys pan out and then who knows if u are SD maybe u trade some of them for a vet

As for the trade,Frazier is a FA and Robertson was more of a salary dump(Amazing a rebuilding team who might win 60 next year doesnt wanna pay a closer 15 million ). Clippard included in the deal was because #1 it helps NYY save some cash and #2 CWS can now trade him for another low level prospect. I would take question marks like Rutherford,Polo and Clarkin over what we have in the minors right now