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  • ESPN Magazine Ultimate Standings: Marlins 28th in Baseball, 2nd Worst Coaching/Owner

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13...mate-standings

    Miami Marlins

    Overall: 106
    Title track: 37
    Ownership: 121
    Coaching: 121
    Players: 88
    Fan relations: 105
    Affordability: 56
    Stadium experience: 64
    Bang for the buck: 100
    Change from last year: -10

    Oh, boy, where do we start on the state of the Miami Marlins? Miami is still among the lower third of all franchises, and it's sinking -- an additional 10 spots since last year's rankings. Jeffrey Loria remains one of the least-liked figures in all of sports -- and he's done little in 2015 to change hearts and minds, especially since $325-million-dollar-man Giancarlo Stanton sat on the bench with a hand injury for half the season. On the plus side, the home run statue-mobile still looks cool.

    Franchise Rankings

    As we have for the past 13 years, we asked fans to vote on their favorite teams, then ranked all 122 sports franchises from top to bottom.
    Full rankings: 1 to 122 | MLB ranks | NBA ranks | NFL ranks | NHL ranks


    What's good

    Fans haven't given up on that shiny new stadium yet (despite what the attendance records say); the Marlins' stadium experience is close to the top half of our rankings. Past championships don't hurt either -- the team remains 37th in title track. And despite a 30-point drop in the players ranking this year, the Marlins still have two bona fide stars and a nucleus of exciting young talent. Stanton, when he's playing, is among the premier sluggers in the game, and fans breathed a sigh of relief when Jose Fernandez returned to the mound in 2015 and was as dominant as ever. These two players, among of a handful of others, provide some hope for a third title in South Florida.

    What's bad

    The management in Miami remains among the worst in sports. Loria actually improved his standing this year, moving from dead last to second to last. Congrats! Meanwhile, the coaching rating took a dive from the mid-80s all the way down to 121. Apparently, that's what happens when you have two managers on the payroll who are no longer actually managing the team (ahem, Ozzie Guillen and Mike Redmond) and you promote(?) your general manager to field manager despite his lack of any professional experience -- and then, almost inevitably, push him back into the front office by season's end (if he doesn't turn you down, anyway). Hey, at least Guillen is a free agent again! Maybe Loria can finally get a return for that annual paycheck ...

    What's new

    The drain at the top of the franchise has put a damper on nearly every other aspect. Coaching took the biggest hit this year, but the Marlins' players ranking dropped 30 places, too. Fans know they're watching an exciting core of young players, but a lack of leadership has contributed to disappointing results in terms of wins and losses. The stadium, though not too far over the MLB average in price, doesn't provide much bang for the buck when the team isn't winning. So, no, it doesn't look good for this franchise. Still, the club has won championships before despite its management. With luck, it could happen again.
    Originally posted by Madman81
    Most of the people in the world being dumb is not a requirement for you to be among their ranks.
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  • #2
    2nd Worst? Jeff isn't gonna be happy.

    Should have been worst in the ML-ownership is terrible and DJ as coach was a joke. Well maybe next year when we hire Dusty or Donny Baseball and Jeff listens to his Assistant GM instead of his GM

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    • #3
      1. Pirates
      2. Diamondbacks

      THIS LIST IS DUMB

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      Which is the Ultimate MLB Franchise? "Oh, I dunno...I guess Pittsburgh or Arizona." - No one, ever.

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      • #4
        I don't understand what this is.

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        • #5
          The Marlins stink, we can all agree, but I don't understand the methodology here.

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          • #6
            Yeah was there anywhere where they explained their mystery scores/ratings? The section/article starts with all these random ratings with no explanation as to what the scale was or how they were scored. Unless I just missed that part?

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            • #7
              Sorry. They rank all professional franchises across all 4 major sports. The numbers are out of 132 and represent rankings. They come from fan surveys.
              Originally posted by Madman81
              Most of the people in the world being dumb is not a requirement for you to be among their ranks.
              Need help? Questions? Concerns? Want to chat? PM me!

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              • #8
                any clue what our high water mark is over the 13 years they've been doing it?

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                • #9
                  none

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                  here you go, sortable, starting with 2003 as the first year: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings/_/year/2003#table

                  2003: 100
                  2004: 24 (lol)
                  2005: 25 (lol again)
                  2006: 53
                  2007: 84
                  2008: 99
                  2009: 77
                  2010: 65
                  2011: 69
                  2012: 33 (lol!!!)
                  2013: 120
                  2014: 96

                  even in the good years, the highest ownership ever was was 75
                  Originally posted by Madman81
                  Most of the people in the world being dumb is not a requirement for you to be among their ranks.
                  Need help? Questions? Concerns? Want to chat? PM me!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by emkayseven View Post
                    none
                    even in the good years, the highest ownership ever was was 75
                    And even that's too high.

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                    • #11
                      It takes into account ticket prices, fan experience, youth of roster, and other stuff.

                      Like, the Florida Panthers are 40 something (I looked yesterday). I'm not sure they can be categorized in the top third of professional sports franchises because they have a low ticket price and I guess a lot of good young players (don't follow hockey much).

                      It's pretty dumb, but I agree the Marlins should be in the bottom 5 of baseball mainly due to ownership.

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                      • #12
                        They should be last in baseball. I don't really think it's debatable.

                        Tampa is the only one you could argue, but they're so much better run. Houston had ridiculous payrolls for a while, but they actually had a plan.

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                        • #13
                          Houston also wasn't irrelevant for nearly as long

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lou View Post
                            Like, the Florida Panthers are 40 something (I looked yesterday). I'm not sure they can be categorized in the top third of professional sports franchises because they have a low ticket price and I guess a lot of good young players (don't follow hockey much).
                            Yeah. You're right on here, but it's also taking into account that the Panthers are about mid-tier in terms of the team's talent and that they're on the cusp of being really good in about a year or two.

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                            Originally posted by nny View Post
                            Houston also wasn't irrelevant for nearly as long
                            Houston was irrelevant from like 2010-2014 and is could still win the World Series this year. Miami hasn't really been relevant in a decade and there's nothing to indicate that's going to change in the immediate future.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by emkayseven View Post
                              none

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                              here you go, sortable, starting with 2003 as the first year: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/team...ear/2003#table

                              2003: 100
                              2004: 24 (lol)
                              2005: 25 (lol again)
                              2006: 53
                              2007: 84
                              2008: 99
                              2009: 77
                              2010: 65
                              2011: 69
                              2012: 33 (lol!!!)
                              2013: 120
                              2014: 96

                              even in the good years, the highest ownership ever was was 75
                              Honestly, I don't see those lol years being that ridiculous. There was a lot going for the franchise in 2004 and 2005 and then in 2012 there appeared to be a change in the organization. I mean yes, given the owner hasn't changed the team shouldn't be rated that high, but I don't know how other teams were in those given years so it could be inflated given that so many top tier teams were just bad in those years. The shocking thing is 2006 in my opinion. Although I guess it depends on when the data was collected. Before the 2006 season is a lot different than after the 2006 season.

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