Cameron Maybin Thread: Maybin Some Discussion, Maybin Some Fighting, It's All Good!

[nny]

Nny, I don't think you tend to know what you're talking about.

You can keep quoting me and saying things like I'm not saying anything, but the reality is that my posts make sense and get more to the point that you are saying nothing. You tend to argue things and I think you have no idea what you are arguing because a sensible response to one of your arguments will just get a response of, whats that got to do with what I'm saying?

You can throw out all sorts of numbers that people formulate for you, but it still doesn't show what a player has done to improve, change his numbers, etc.

And I don't think you tend to know what I'm talking about lol

It's funny that your second paragraph ends with what's that got to do with what I'm saying?

When that's my answer to your third paragraph lol

which I've never said otherwise and I agree with and I have constantly said as much in this thread.

[Swifty]

No, it's not.

His point is you have no more of a right to a statistical opinion than I do a visual opinion. In both instances we're merely relying off of what we have trained ourselves to understand.

It doesn't even enter into the fact that you've admitted when you actually watch a game you have no idea what you're looking at, that your understanding of the game only goes so far as what your computer tells you, and thus only see the game from one angle.
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And everybody hates everyone now. This thread is epic. Thank you Cameron Maybin.

[Beef]

You also tried to claim that a rising BABIP is caused by certain things like a change in approach, tweaked swing, increase in size, so it is all included in BABIP and thus can explain why someone has improved.

But you are also saying statistics cannot tell such a story.

[Fish and Chips]

stats arent bias though, visual opinions are

[nny]

No, it's not.

His point is you have no more of a right to a statistical opinion than I do a visual opinion. In both instances we're merely relying off of what we have trained ourselves to understand.

I'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY SAYING THIS CHRIST. I'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY FUCKING SAYING THIS

SERIOUSLY ARE YOU GUYS RETARDED?

[Swifty]

So then, if we're doing the same thing, and we're on equal footing, why do you "hate" when people do what I do? Why is it silly to look at mechanics and see a problem? Do you then hate yourself when you throw out SINAFDCVDIESDGQWQAR and FDVSOES and ZAPKAPOW! ?

[Chewford]

stats arent bias though

This is not true.

[nny]

You also tried to claim that a rising BABIP is caused by certain things like a change in approach, tweaked swing, increase in size, so it is all included in BABIP and thus can explain why someone has improved.

But you are also saying statistics cannot tell such a story.

BABIP rising explains why OPS rises, just like your grades rising explain why your GPA rose.

Why did the BABIP rise? Same thing with why did you grades rise?

You're completely mixing the process and the results togeather.

[Beef]

I'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY SAYING THIS CHRIST. I'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY FUCKING SAYING THIS

SERIOUSLY ARE YOU GUYS RETARDED?

Like I said, I think you don't really understand what you are saying
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BABIP rising explains why OPS rises, just like your grades rising explain why your GPA rose.

Why did the BABIP rise? Same thing with why did you grades rise?

You're completely mixing the process and the results togeather.

No, you are.

If somebody legitimately asks me why my GPA went up and I say it is because my grades went up and I think that is a clever response, I am a stupid asshole that sucks at understanding why things happen. Yeah, my GPA went up because my grades went up, but like I said, NO SHIT. Why did that happen? Did I study more? Were the classes easier? Were the other people in my classes dumber by comparison?

If some guy has a shitty plate approach and somebody says he tweaked his swing and then somebody else asks me, why did his OPS rise? His OPS rose because his BABIP rose. Oh, well thanks. That explains a lot to me!
Why did his average rise? Because he got more hits during his plate appearances. Cool, thanks man, now I see, this guy must really be something, really great changes he made

[nny]

So then, if we're doing the same thing, and we're on equal footing, why do you "hate" when people do what I do? Why is it silly to look at mechanics and see a problem? Do you then hate yourself when you throw out SINAFDCVDIESDGQWQAR and FDVSOES and ZAPKAPOW! ?

Because in my experience people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, but I have faith in what I believe in.

And that doesn't mean you should listen to me because I have faith in what I believe in. That'd be fucking retarded, because majority of people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and last I checked I'm a person.

I mean this entire thing is stupid. You and others are constantly trying to say the same premise can be put back on me, i say NO SHIT, and yet you keep saying it can be put back on me, NO FUCKING SHIT. Jesus. I fucking PRAY TO GOD it's used on me because then ya'll would be fucking even more retarded. I'm gonna be wrong a lot more than I'm right just like everyone else here.

Jesus christ.

[Omar]

stats arent bias though, visual opinions are

The statistic isn't biased, the presenter is.

[nny]

If somebody legitimately asks me why my GPA went up and I say it is because my grades went up and I think that is a clever response, I am a stupid asshole that sucks at understanding why things happen. Yeah, my GPA went up because my grades went up, but like I said, NO SHIT. Why did that happen? Did I study more? Were the classes easier? Were the other people in my classes dumber by comparison?

If some guy has a shitty plate approach and somebody says he tweaked his swing and then somebody else asks me, why did his OPS rise? His OPS rose because his BABIP rose. Oh, well thanks. That explains a lot to me!
Why did his average rise? Because he got more hits during his plate appearances. Cool, thanks man, now I see, this guy must really be something, really great changes he made

You're really constantly missing my point

I mean, you're arguing over things I'm not arguing still. Basically all of what you said I agree with.

What I'm saying is, the part I bolded, I don't trust anyones qualifications here to make the assessment of what changed.

[Beef]

So what nny is saying is that nobody should listen to anything anybody here says because it is likely that we are all tards.

We'd be retarded to listen to each other because everything we say is very possibly retarded

[Ramp]

Let the record show that I am not a tard.

[Beef]

Based on the fact that you are a human being, I'd be retarded to trust that you are not retarded