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    So one of the main ways to save money this offseason will be to trade Jorge Cantu, assuming he's in for the raise up to 6 mil.

    We don't really have any in house options, but what about cheap alternatives on the FA market?

    One of the main things we have going for us is that we have Wes Helms on the bench (Doesn't embarrass himself against LHP), and probably Gaby Sanchez (Should do well against LHP). This limits the need down to somebody who can just hit RHP instead of a full time player.

    Not in any order

    The "They probably can't handle 3b anymore"
    Eric Hinske
    The good: He has a .804 OPS against RHP this year, matching his career .804 OPS against them. He likely won't get a chance to start somewhere, since he didn't last year, so he might give a discount to start.

    The Bad: Defense. He has a -5 career UZR/150 at the position. He hasn't gotten consistent play time there since 2004, only racking up 134 IP played there in the past 5 years. He's currently on the Yankees bench, and might rather stay there and get guaranteed post season play.

    Last contract: 1 year, 1.5m with 1m in incentives

    Russell Branyan
    The Good: Although cooling down, he still has a .867 OPS on the year, including .905 against RHP. Has a career OPS of .837 against RHP. He's also playing in a park this year that absolutely kills LHP.

    The Bad: He strikes out. A lot. He's cut down on them by a lot, which is why he's done better the past couple years, but he still strikes out a lot. And the FO supposedly wants to move away from that. He's also hasn't played 3b this season, and has a career -6.9 UZR/150 at the position. He also just recently suffered a herniated his back, bringing up if he'd be a complete embarrassment there next season.

    Last Contract: 1 year, 1.4m with 350k in incentives.

    Hank Blalock
    The Good: Even in a down year, he still has a .773 OPS against RHP, with a career .849 OPS against them.

    The Bad: His BB/K this season is Mike Jacob-esque. He's been a 1b/DH the past 3 years, having not played 3b regularly since 2006. With good reason, every single year since '05 he has posted a UZR/150 of under -10.

    Last Contract: 5 year, 15m (09 salary: 6m)

    Aubrey Huff
    The good: has absolutely bashed RHP in his career, with a .845 OPS against them

    The bad: Hasn't really played full time 3b since '06, although his career UZR/150 isn't that bad of a -4.4. More importantly: His ops against RHP this season is just .726. Some can be attributed to BABIP, other to drop in power.

    Last contract: 3 year, 20m (09 salary: 8m)

    The Reclamation Projects
    Melvin Mora
    The good: He is just one year removed from a .826 OPS and has a career .789 OPS. Even though he's old, he still plays a good enough 3rd base. Wouldn't need a platoon, as he'd be a full time player.

    The Bad: He has just a .667 OPS this season, thanks to a completely drop in power. His ISO last year was .199, this year it's just 0.88. Other than a minor BABIP dropped (which could probably be pointed to the lack of power), everything else is in line. And a 38 year old getting his power stroke back isn't exactly something you bet on.

    Last Contract: 3 year, 25m (09 contract: 9m)

    Joe Crede
    The Good: There are three things you know Joe Crede will give you. Two of those is a mid 700 OPS and 10 runs on defense.

    The bad: The third is that he'll spend majority of time on DL.

    Last Contract: 1 year, 2.5m, 4.5m in incentives.

    Orlando Cabrera
    The Good: He's more or less been orlando cabrera at the plate this year, with his typical empty avg, high 600/low 700 OPS. Wouldn't need a platoon

    The bad: What should be in the good, his defense, went to utter shit this season, as he has posted a -15 UZR. Lost a step in his old age, or an aberration? he's also never played 3b, although we did have interst in him this past offseason to play there.

    Last Contract: 1 year, 4m,

    Chad Tracy
    The Good: Plays a good 3b, with a career +4 UZR. His OPS against RHP from 2004 to 2007: .804, .952, .866, .891

    The Bad: His OPS against RHP from 2008 to 2009: .708, .682. Both power and plate discipline went away.

    Last Contract: 3 year, 13m (09 contract: 4.75m)

    The Reach
    Doug Mientkiewicz
    The good: you can pencil him for a OBP-loaded mid 700 OPS. Would only take a MILB contract

    The bad: outside of 1 IP in 2004, 2008 was the first time he's ever played 3b, racking up 244 IP for the pirates. The results weren't too hot: -3.7 UZR, thanks to a .918 fielding percentage. However, he's also plays a great 1b. I'd like to pick him up even if it's just to take off Ross Gload's spot.

    Last contract: 1 year, 550k (MILB contract)

    Frank Catalanotto
    The Good: has a .799 OPS against RHP this year, with a career .820 OPS against them

    The bad: he hasn't played 3b since 2001, and hasn't played 2b since 2002. Like Doug, would like to at least see him fill the Gload roll though.

    Last contract: pro-rated MILB contract

    The too unlikely
    Akinori Iwamura
    Mark Derosa
    Placido Polanco
    Not going to get into their good/bad, as they should be more or less known. however, they'll likely make around what Cantu makes, if not more, making their acquisitions basically a null. However, who knows what the market has in store.

    There's probably more that fit into the "too unlikely" catagory. The main thing is just finding good players who'll only at most cost a couple mil. Don't think I missed anyone that falls into there.

    I'd say my wish list is probably
    1) Huff (might make too much)
    2) Hinske
    3) Tracy
    4) Branyan (might make too much)

    I'd say Tracy is definitely the most intriguing of the bunch though. He'll only be 30, and man he used to crash RHP.

  • #2
    i really like crede, and i think he can be cheap, because he barely played 100 games in 2007-2009 (fuck up back). And i cant see many teams wanting to give him a big contract because he is now 3 years remove from good season. So would a 1 yr 1.0-1.75mil contract with incentives get the job done?
    also Part of his injury problems were because of the turf in minnesota.
    Originally posted by Matt Wilson
    Fish and Chips just became the smartest man on the board
    Tom Koehler(4-0)
    AAA: 7 GS, 40.2 IP, 2.66 ERA, 34 H, 12 ER, 17 BB, 31 SO, GO/AO 0.87, BAA .233 , 1.25 WHIP

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    • #3
      Pretty sure Crede is considering retirement

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ramp View Post
        Pretty sure Crede is considering retirement
        He said those reports were false

        he's likely out of our price range though. I mean he got 2.5m base, 4.5m in incentives last year. If he gets a, I don't know, 20% pay cut? that's 2m base and 3.6 in incentive, and then major injury concerns. Just depends really on what exactly the payroll situation will be.

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        • #5
          http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/0...are-false.html

          nny beat me to it
          Originally posted by Matt Wilson
          Fish and Chips just became the smartest man on the board
          Tom Koehler(4-0)
          AAA: 7 GS, 40.2 IP, 2.66 ERA, 34 H, 12 ER, 17 BB, 31 SO, GO/AO 0.87, BAA .233 , 1.25 WHIP

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          • #6
            Fair enough. Still think we should steer clear of him

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            • #7
              Ralphy likesa Troy Glaus
              "You owe it to yourself to find your own unorthodox way of succeeding, or sometimes, just surviving."
              - Michael Johnson


              J.T. Realmuto .282/.351/.412

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ralph View Post
                Ralphy likesa Troy Glaus
                I think Glaus is done.

                Well, maybe not completely done, but it's not looking good.

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                • #9
                  What about the possibility of moving Uggla to third?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Longview View Post
                    What about the possibility of moving Uggla to third?
                    Depends what his new team wants to do with him.
                    This post was brought to you by: Dat SEC Speed

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                    • #11
                      I hope we're comfy with Boniez, cuz we ain't signing no FA third basemen this offseason, as we shed arb players.

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                      • #12
                        Every time I see the name Hank Blalock I think of the travesty that could have been the Florida Marlins franchise had we done the Rangers deal for Josh Beckett that was rumored to have been done on the front page of the Sun Sentinel.

                        And I want none of those guys except maybe Joe Crede.

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