2013 Trade Deadline Talk

[HUGG]

For the record, you're not allowed to trade ifa money for cash. That was covered here already in this thread.

[tjfla]

Turner has been very lucky in a couple of his starts. I think that luck has given him confidence though.

Can't believe Arrieta was traded, btw.

They offered Arrieta in every deal that had for a pitcher. They offered him for Nolasco
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For the record, you're not allowed to trade ifa money for cash. That was covered here already in this thread.

U actually can-just call it "future considerations" along with whatever u get

[HUGG]

The IFA Cash trade was already done so Nolasco is NOT in the deal. I heard it was for cash and future considerations however no details were made public.

Gotta think that the "future considerations" might end up being a major league player from us and us getting prospects back. Loria must love this tho,he can get "Real" Cash for cash he would have never used in the first place.

Teams are not allowed to include cash considerations in a trade for slot values, unless that cash consideration is used to offset the salary a team is taking on for a player involved in the trade. That means the Rangers couldn’t just agree to pay the Rockies $456,400 (or any other amount) for the No. 33 overall slot value. But if the Rockies traded a major leaguer to the Rangers and agreed to send Texas the No. 33 slot value as part of the deal, cash considerations could be included in the transaction, pending the commissioner’s approval.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/inter...l-space-works/


We gave Texas over $900k. We don't have anyone we could send them who makes that much for the rest of the year except Nolasco, who isn't involved in this.

[tjfla]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/inter...l-space-works/


We gave Texas over $900k. We don't have anyone we could send them who makes that much for the rest of the year except Nolasco, who isn't involved in this.

Ya but what I am saying if u call it "future considerations" what says next year they can't send us cash in another deal for some AA guy

Alot of different ways to avoid it-U could do slots to Texas for a minor leaguer or 2 and future considerations,which could just be cash at a later time. Maybe even Stanton if we decide to deal him during the winter

[Jay]

Ya but what I am saying if u call it "future considerations" what says next year they can't send us cash in another deal for some AA guy

Alot of different ways to avoid it-U could do slots to Texas for a minor leaguer or 2 and future considerations,which could just be cash at a later time. Maybe even Stanton if we decide to deal him during the winter

You're still ignoring the part the Hugg bolded.

[tjfla]

You're still ignoring the part the Hugg bolded.

Not ignoring it,all I am saying is what says they can't say "Future Considerations" which could mean cash at a later time.

Later Time being-Ricky Nolasco at Trade Deadline? Stanton at Winter Meetings? FA they sign and then trade to Texas before Opening Day 2014?

[Todd]

So these slots that are being traded are to be used to sign international free agents?

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

@Buster_ESPN: Marlins starting to adjust the asking price on Nolasco, reflecting their desire to move him ASAP. Dodgers still regarded as frontrunner.

/Twitter

[Big Z]

I have a feeling that we are waiting to see if we deal Nolasco to Rangers in order to receive compensation for the international slot $$ and Nolasco all together.

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

The Marlins generally are aggressive and decisive in trade discussions. But with right-hander Ricky Nolasco, they may have waited too long.

Many in the industry expected Nolasco to be the first starting pitcher traded. Instead, the Cubs jumped the market Tuesday, sending righty Scott Feldman to the Orioles.

Granted, the Marlins didn’t necessarily want righties Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop, the pitchers whom the Orioles sent to the Cubs, along with about $380,000 in international slot money, for Feldman and catcher Steve Clevenger.

Sources say the Marlins are looking for prospects, not players such as Arrieta and Strop, who have struggled in the majors but possess upside.

Sources also say the Marlins want their trading partner to absorb most or all of the approximately $5.7 million remaining on Nolasco’s contract.

Well, now the Fish are stuck.

They want to trade Nolasco before his next scheduled start on Wednesday to clear a spot for righty Henderson Alvarez, who has completed his rehabilitation assignment. But the price is only going down.

Here’s my question: Why are the Marlins so hung up on saving money?

Their $36.3 million Opening Day payroll was the second-lowest in the majors. They easily will exceed that amount, and perhaps more than double it, in revenue sharing and national TV money.

If they’re so intent on getting high-end prospects for Nolasco, who is a No. 3 starter at best, they should offer to pay a portion of his salary in exchange for better talent.

But no.

The Rockies, sources say, agreed to send the Marlins two quality prospects if the Marlins included cash in the trade. The Marlins wouldn’t budge, and the Rockies lost interest as outfielder Dexter Fowler followed shortstop Troy Tulowitzki to the disabled list and Nolasco produced a 5.09 ERA in his last four starts.

The Dodgers, sources say, are willing to absorb the entirety of Nolasco’s contract, but only at a minimal cost in talent. Keep in mind: Nolasco would cost the Dodgers nearly $1 million in luxury tax on top of his remaining salary. Why should L.A. budge?

The Rangers and Giants also are involved in the Nolasco sweepstakes to varying degrees, while the Padres’ last contact with the Marlins was about five days ago, sources say.

If the Marlins played this right, they could dangle cash to manipulate the best offer out of the clubs who still have interest. But again, that doesn’t seem to be their plan.

Obviously, no trade can be evaluated until it actually is completed, and even then it’s dangerous to judge a deal when prospects are involved. The Marlins, though, should have realized that Nolasco is more of an innings-eater than a difference-maker, more like Feldman than Cliff Lee.

Instead, they face a triple whammy.

Nolasco is owed a good amount of money. His recent performance has been mediocre. And, under the latest collective-bargaining agreement, a team that acquires him cannot receive draft-pick compensation if he departs as a free agent.

If the Marlins want financial relief, they should expect little in return. And if they want prospects, they should effectively buy them by including cash in a deal.

Instead, the Marlins are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

They will look foolish if Nolasco starts on Wednesday – and even more foolish if they rush into a bad trade.

Dollars, no sense, stall Nolasco deal

[Big Z]

Dumb fucking cheap assholes.

[Beef]

They got the auto-fool button on

[HUGG]

I like when they use sense in place of cents in dollars and cents. It's so witty.

[Bobbob1313]

I don't really get why they'd look foolish if he starts Wednesday. They can go with a six-man rotation for four weeks and stretch out Jose Fernandez's season by a couple days.

[Beef]

Because if he pitches Wednesday, they haven't traded him.

But if they trade him, they're rushing to trade him.