2013 Starting Rotation Announced

[Fritz]

He looks pretty young for a 32 year old.

[Bobbob1313]

Grabbed him for $3 in my keeper auction just now, so I'm pretty happy with that.

[Todd]

I just realized I havent chimed in on this yet.

[jOOj]

I'm happy to see him pitch, gives me something to be happy about.

If that's ok with the angry mob.

[Omar]

If Fernandez dominates, will you all still be pissed?

I think it'd be more of a shock sensation at the front office doing something right.

It's hard to give management the benefit of the doubt, but maybe they got this one right. Broken clocks and all that jazz.

[lou]

It's hard to give management the benefit of the doubt, but maybe they got this one right. Broken clocks and all that jazz.

They are giving up a year of club control for 12 starts April-June in a non contending year. Only way they get this one "right" is if they do an arbitration buyout rendering the financial argument moot. That's the only way this makes sense. I'm not optimistic.

[Party]

no it's not. that's an aeron chair. things are like 500 bucks USED.

We just bought one for $350.

[Namaste]

They are giving up a year of club control for 12 starts April-June in a non contending year. Only way they get this one "right" is if they do an arbitration buyout rendering the financial argument moot. That's the only way this makes sense. I'm not optimistic.

There's no way they fuck this up. Only a clown would suggest otherwise.

[Cambridge]

They are giving up a year of club control for 12 starts April-June in a non contending year. Only way they get this one "right" is if they do an arbitration buyout rendering the financial argument moot. That's the only way this makes sense. I'm not optimistic.

I don't hate the move from a purely baseball perspective, I think he is good enough to hold his own and I think getting knocked around a bit will be good for his development. He would have dominated AA with his FB/Slider combination for 2/3 months with his 5IP starts then gotten called up. That would not have helped his development as his confidence in his ability is not exactly lacking. At least this way he might take a few lumps and it will encourage him to work on his 3rd pitch.

From a business perspective this is not smart, though I have seen other places in the interweb saying that keeping him down for the 20 days would have made more sense - I don't particularly agree with that as after 4 years arbitration (super 2) you are generally at market value and the extra year of club control is significantly less valuable.

With regards a buyout, you aren't doing it in the next two years as it is just too risky for a 19 yo fireballer (7/8 year contract). Which means with Boras you are getting minimal discount. If you were to offer one tomorrow, what would be a reasonable contract? Would it be $40 or $50/8? I have no idea I am just struggling to understand how they can play this as the bargaining position is so much weaker.

[emkayseven]

We just bought one for $350.

a Herman Miller Aeron chair? If so, please find out from where.

[lou]

I don't hate the move from a purely baseball perspective, I think he is good enough to hold his own and I think getting knocked around a bit will be good for his development. He would have dominated AA with his FB/Slider combination for 2/3 months with his 5IP starts then gotten called up. That would not have helped his development as his confidence in his ability is not exactly lacking. At least this way he might take a few lumps and it will encourage him to work on his 3rd pitch.

From a business perspective this is not smart, though I have seen other places in the interweb saying that keeping him down for the 20 days would have made more sense - I don't particularly agree with that as after 4 years arbitration (super 2) you are generally at market value and the extra year of club control is significantly less valuable.

With regards a buyout, you aren't doing it in the next two years as it is just too risky for a 19 yo fireballer (7/8 year contract). Which means with Boras you are getting minimal discount. If you were to offer one tomorrow, what would be a reasonable contract? Would it be $40 or $50/8? I have no idea I am just struggling to understand how they can play this as the bargaining position is so much weaker.

Matt Moore signed a 5/$11.5 deal before last year, with team options of $7, $9, and $10 for years 6-7-8. There are buyouts so the low is 5/$14. The high is a very club beneficial option oriented 8/$40, plus some innings pitched incentives which could drive it up nominally. The Rays have basically risked overpaying Moore $10 million if he blows his arm out in the first four years, to save $50 million on the backend if he hits his projection. Tempering expectations modestly, they will break even over the 8 years if he is around a # 4 starting pitcher. Seems like a good bet to me, which is why they are awesome and Loria is not. Fernandez would take a very similar deal.

It's just sad. I don't have a problem baseball wise with "rushing" him if this is truly a scouting decision, but financially this is the latest example of how poor they handle the service time of their players. It's embarrassing really. Maybe if they were contending, go for it. But the only thing they are going to contend for this year is win 63.

[Ramp]

I'd honestly rather see his rookie year be in a low pressure situation than in a high one (if that was the case)

[lou]

I'd honestly rather see his rookie year be in a low pressure situation than in a high one (if that was the case)

Well July isn't going to be high pressure, but yea I get you.

And also to note, I'm not saying sign him right now to a Moore deal. That would be cool, but there is still risk involved and he is young. I can understand that. But they have to do it sometime in the next 2 years to be able to get "savings" on backend arbitration and free agency years versus calling him up now and losing that year of control. There is still time. The "Moore" deal is just super savings. There is still savings possibilities 1-2 years down the road.

Just like Stanton right now. Oh wait.....

[Bobbob1313]

but financially this is the latest example of how poor they handle the service time of their players. .

I'm trying to remember some other examples of them screwing up service time. Which ones are you talking about?

[Miamarlin21]

So about everyone freaking out as to if Jose was ready or not...