2024-2025 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

i wouldnt mind trading luzardo for a stud hitter also with 2 years left before free agency. Not sure who that guy would be but i would like to add a cornerstone piece. If kyle tucker had 2 years left i would be all over Luzardo + more for him and get him for at least a year and a half and see what we can do.

[Nick]

I mean, we've been talking about trading Luzardo for over a year now. My thought is his value is not high now, due to his injuries, but if you can get a team to overpay, yeah go for it.

[fish16]

they would never take on a salary that big, but it cant be stated enough how perfect correa would fit here immediately. if he stays healthy and we dont have apacolyptic pitching injuries again, that is the type of trade for luzardo and probably more that could catapult this team to the next level. Correa as the centerpiece surrounded by edwards, burger, norby, sanchez, etc plus eventually ramirez, DDLS, and other prospects is a great young core that you can then begin to add peripheral free agent pieces on short term deals to. That's the only way you are going to get a superstar talent here any time soon to be able to compete

[lou]

they would never take on a salary that big, but it cant be stated enough how perfect correa would fit here immediately. if he stays healthy and we dont have apacolyptic pitching injuries again, that is the type of trade for luzardo and probably more that could catapult this team to the next level. Correa as the centerpiece surrounded by edwards, burger, norby, sanchez, etc plus eventually ramirez, DDLS, and other prospects is a great young core that you can then begin to add peripheral free agent pieces on short term deals to. That's the only way you are going to get a superstar talent here any time soon to be able to compete

Yes. I presented this hypothetical before to note.

You eat their money - Correa and Vazquez, and ask for one of the better prospects (Rodriguez probably). They have the OF depth to do it.

Correa, Vazquez, Rodriguez, something like $30m for

Luzardo and Otto.

It saves Minnesota like $90m so all of a sudden..... Luzardo, Otto, and $90m turn into 4 years of Correa, 6 years of Rodriguez, 1 year of Vazquez to bridge to Mack/Ramirez, and Minnesota gets a mid-starter who is a lefty, a valuable(ish) platoon/bench infielder who is perfect to mix with Miranda, Julien, Lee, and Royce, and Minnesota gets salary relief and can also spend money on extensions of free agency.

It is a big win-win, but of course, they would have to take on this new $90m but I think that is nothing over the span of 4-6 years as that's how long it would be mapped out. Also, the next step is trading Sandy to clear his money. Get a 3B for him, draft LaViolete, and all of a sudden....


C Mack, Ramirez
1B Burger, DDLS
2B Edwards, Serna
SS Correa
3B “Sandy trade”
LF Rodriguez, Norby
CF LaViolette, Sanoja/Mesa Jr/Pintar/Marsee
RF Sanchez

SP Eury, White, Cabrera, Noble, Snelling, "Sandy player 2"
RHP Max, Faucher, Cronin, etc.
LHP Nardi, Weathers, Fulton


And that costs nothing outside of Correa so they can afford probably 2 "Garcia/Soler" money expenditures on top of that.


But I mean, this takes some vision and giving a fuck

[lou]

i wouldnt mind trading luzardo for a stud hitter also with 2 years left before free agency. Not sure who that guy would be but i would like to add a cornerstone piece. If kyle tucker had 2 years left i would be all over Luzardo + more for him and get him for at least a year and a half and see what we can do.

This one is harder as are the Marlins a contender right now? Guys like Taylor Ward have 2 years of control but why is anyone doing that in either direction absent other moves?

I think you need more years and to get guys with 4+ years to align with Eury being health, and White, Noble, and Snelling arrivals. They need to make moves for next year ala how the Rangers signed Seager and Semien a year early to establish culture, but of course, reflective of what the Marlins can do payroll wise as obviously they won't be committing $500m to two players.

Which swings back to Correa. That's the kind of move that sets the stage for the next decision (Sandy trade or raising payroll, so Sandy trade) and then all of a sudden, see the depth chart above which is something we can all agree on theoretically works on paper.

[lou]

I mean, we've been talking about trading Luzardo for over a year now. My thought is his value is not high now, due to his injuries, but if you can get a team to overpay, yeah go for it.

It's not as high as March 2024, however in a world Severino is getting $60m, Montas $35m, and some of these other crazy numbers, Luzardo is going to cost 2/$17m and would likely sign an extension if he looks good at a good rate for multiple extra years. Likely around what Severino signed for. Luzardo is still plenty valuable here as he has more upside than these guys, and would be a great reliever as a floor due to health and frankly, they make that much money now too. So risk is extremely low IMO for an acquiring team. I think they'd do very well moving him, or Garrett, or Cabrera, and a lot of that is due to costs but still.

Plus, don't pay the Marlins price now and let him rattle of 12-15 starts before the ASB and now see what the price is. So might as well overpay a little now, then potentially get side swiped at the deadline. All arms are risky. I'd say it is less risky to trade for him with more than you want to today, than more than you want to July 20th. But that's me. Pitchers have good medical track records of figuring it out. Look at Flaherty. He had a dud 21-22, and all of a sudden rattled off 5 WAR in 23-24. Luzardo is gonna do that, but what year it happens is anyone's guess.

Basically, the criticism for me is Bendix made a rookie mistake not clearing house when he got the job and trying to be cute to get to the deadline half competitive. I know we all agree with this. Just ask for 90% of the March 2024 price, and no big deal if you keep him and get him healthy. No rush here. So Bendix has a good hand to play today even if this hand shouldn't exist because of his prior failures. We can hope he improves, and that's assuming any of us care about baseball in March with what is happening with free agency and impending trades like I saw the Mets checked into Crochet and dear god they have the prospects to do that and probably get Robert too.

[fish16]

7th. And that’s why you don’t tank or get excited for having the best bit still terrible odds. This franchise is completely fucking cursed

[Namaste]

7th. And that’s why you don’t get excited for having the best bit still terrible odds.

You could always fuck off to another fan base?

[sports24/7]

They have a 45% chance at a top 2 pick, which in this draft, feels like where you’d like to be. But like you said it’s the Marlins, so they’ll probably fall to like 7th.

But also so often these teams go under slot, and on top of that, prospects’ careers rarely pan out according to their draft rankings. So while it would be really nice to pick 1st or 2nd, the better thing to hope for is they get lucky with whoever they pick.

lol, there was never any other realistic outcome than the Marlins falling drastically. What a joke.

[fish16]

You could always fuck off to another fan base?

Don’t get your tampon in a bunch because you got your hopes up over bad odds

[rmc523]

I’m excited for us to also do nothing this offseason and hear about how they’re waiting for the “right opportunities” and targeting the right players.

it’s just tiring waiting forever for them to do something worthwhile

[fish16]

The nats are going to have won a World Series and fully rebuilt in the time we have rebuilt twice and still stink. We have no shot in our division between the three power houses and now the nats with wood, crews, and now Holliday on top of Abrams

[sports24/7]

I guess. If we like the continual shipping out of players.

The Marlins have a surplus of good pitching and Luzardo will be a free agent in 2 years. Your team has no hitters and even after your trades last year, a middle of the pack farm system. If you can get good value for him, trading him is a no-brainer. Will you get good value for him coming off of the injury is another question.

[lou]

lol, there was never any other realistic outcome than the Marlins falling drastically. What a joke.

I was mentally prepared for fourth, but seventh is frankly outrageous. And big market Nats and Angels get the benefit. This is indeed, a joke. However probably not a big difference between player 4 and 7 if they were gonna get screwed. Sounds like another underslot / over slot draft location and circling 2028.

And then Fried is a $200m player and Eovaldi got a contract more than what the Marlins payroll might be this year ($75m) and the universe is banging the drum this is it for genuine interest in baseball.

[lou]

The Marlins have a surplus of good pitching and Luzardo will be a free agent in 2 years. Your team has no hitters and even after your trades last year, a middle of the pack farm system. If you can get good value for him, trading him is a no-brainer. Will you get good value for him coming off of the injury is another question.

In a world with these pitching contracts, Luzardo is pretty valuable to not cost these prices

Quite frankly, I am waiting now for the switch-a-roo and Sandy is moved because “we didn’t want to trade him but got an offer we couldn’t refuse.” And it will make total sense in the circle 2028 kind of way, but it goes back to when will they ever do something worthwhile echoing comments above.

Year 5 of Bendix is gonna be lit. Maybe.