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  • Nightengale: Many Burned by Marlins Fire Sale

    10:26PM EST November 14. 2012 - CHICAGO -- Miami Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria walked past the horde of news reporters awaiting him Wednesday, refusing to stop for questions, but still with time to insult anyone daring to question the Marlins' motives. "Not today, boys," Loria said, ever so arrogantly. "If you guys haven't figured it out yet, I'm not going to figure it out for you."

    We figured it out, all right.


    You're an owner who betrayed your fans, deceived your players and has lost credibility for as long as you stay in the game.

    If the backlash from the Marlins' latest fire sale — a 12-player deal with the Toronto Blue Jays that left the Marlins with no financial commitments beyond 2013 — wasn't enough, along came more bad news when Loria revealed that he has no intentions of selling the team.

    Hey, why should he? He has lowered his payroll from $118 million to about $30 million in salary commitments in 2013, meaning he should pocket about $110 million in profits next year, thanks to that fancy ballpark his local taxpayers provided.


    The mistake Loria made was delaying the decision to sell naming rights to Marlins Park, which now might not exceed the value of a Frappuccino.

    Miami talk show hosts Jeff DeForrest and Marc Hochman didn't have enough time Wednesday to field all of the venom from their callers, with DeForrest firing off a gem of his own.

    "The next move obviously is to have Fidel Castro throw out the first pitch next year," DeForrest said. "That's the only way they could alienate the fans more than they have."


    Well, at least that would put fannies in the seats with protesters, because no one is going to bother showing up now.

    Several owners were snickering at the Marlins dumping their three biggest free agent acquisitions of last winter — Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle and Heath Bell — after one season.

    And player-agents were livid, vowing they would never permit premier free agents to sign with the Marlins.

    Scott Boras has not had a top free agent sign with the Marlins since Alex Fernandez in December 1996, a trend that will continue unless the Marlins change their policy of withholding no-trade clauses.

    "I've never had a franchise player there because it was just not something my client wanted to risk," Boras told USA TODAY Sports. "They (Marlins executives) were always upfront about it. They told me, 'We don't do no-trade clauses.' But it's very difficult to sell an expectancy to a player knowing that it might last for only one year.

    "Contractually, what they did was appropriate. It's pretty hard to say they don't have the right to do what they're doing. But if you sign there, it's caveat emptor. The money is secure, but where you play is not."

    That's also why starter Ricky Nolasco will be the next guy shipped out of town, why prized outfielder Giancarlo Stanton better find an apartment building with a six-month lease, and why Andy Silverman, their vice president in charge of ticket sales, might have the worst job in America.

    Their trade might one day go down as a stroke of genius.

    But if no one's around to see it pay off, what does it matter?
    Nightengale: Many burned by Marlins fire sale

  • #2
    ehe agents being mad

    won't matter in the end, IF the Marlins were to throw big/overpaid money at someone

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ramp View Post
      ehe agents being mad

      won't matter in the end, IF the Marlins were to throw big/overpaid money at someone
      But shouldn't it matter that a team that has the built in advantages of being home / close to home + no state income tax now has to OVERPAY for free agents?

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      • #4
        I didn't say it was a good thing, but players will always play for money. That will never be an issue

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        • #5
          Jose Reyes is going to lose half or more of the $102 million remaining on his contract because of Canadian federal and provincial taxes. Reyes may end being the one who gets burned the hardest by this trade.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Party View Post
            Jose Reyes is going to lose half or more of the $102 million remaining on his contract because of Canadian federal and provincial taxes. Reyes may end being the one who gets burned the hardest by this trade.
            You know I never thought about that. Wow that is really fucked.

            Reyes has to be pissed off. He just lost upwards of at least $ 15 million probably.

            And how wonderful is it that we will never have a shot at a top free agent. Probably not even mid-level guys, just guys trying to hang on and if other teams are smart they will play a game with the Marlins and drive up the price for those guys just to piss off Loria.

            God I hate him.....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by oakelmpine View Post
              And how wonderful is it that we will never have a shot at a top free agent. Probably not even mid-level guys, just guys trying to hang on and if other teams are smart they will play a game with the Marlins and drive up the price for those guys just to piss off Loria.
              not even remotely close to being true

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ramp View Post
                not even remotely close to being true
                Based on what I just posted in another thread I may be coming over to your side in this.

                As long as a player understands he will live apart from his family for a half a year to maybe a full year. He'll gladly sign a long-term with Loria because he knows he won't be in Miami for anywhere close to that contract term. If he can live apart from his family until wherever he lands for good it'll be tough but manageable.

                The only problem is he won't control where he goes, but he can count on Loria getting rid of him before any HUGE money comes from that contract.

                Loria actually may be a genius if he can work this right.

                What am I saying ?

                Nevermind

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                • #9
                  Yeah, they'll manage but it'll be tough

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                  • #10
                    Delgado had a state income tax offset added to his contract. Agents will just push harder for stuff like that.

                    In the end, it'll come down to relationship(s) with the agents. Players are dumb, but agents will/won't steer clients to certain teams. Fern Cuza has a horrible relationship with Samson et al, that hurts. I'd imagine Greenberg isn't going to think of them too fondly after Reyes, and we know Scott Boras and them don't really have anyone (except Coghlan). All that said, agents kinda sorta don't care because they get their commission regardless, but they do want to keep their clients happy because a happy client is an easy referral source.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ramp View Post
                      not even remotely close to being true
                      These two figures were startling to me:

                      1) Allegedly, a Scott Boras client hasn't signed a multi-year deal here since 1996 (Alex Fernandez)
                      2) Ricky Nolasco is the only player Loria and the circus have signed to a three year or longer contract (out of 11) who hasn't been traded before the contract was due. All four major free agent signings (Delgado, Bell, Buehrle, Reyes) were traded immediately after their first year.

                      I'm sure you're right, though.
                      God would be expecting a first pitch breaking ball in the dirt because humans love to disappoint him.
                      - Daft

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                      • #12
                        #2 just shows that players have come here for monies.

                        They don't stay, but they don't leave on their own accord.

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                        • #13
                          Considering that three of them came in one shot, and Samson yesterday seemed to make it clear that they weren't changing their no-trade policy, I sincerely doubt any free agents will be tempted by any money in the future. Not under this management, and not without a no-trade clause.
                          God would be expecting a first pitch breaking ball in the dirt because humans love to disappoint him.
                          - Daft

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                          • #14
                            I don't know how useful the Scott Boras thing is. He represents elite players with elite contract demands, and we've made only two major forays into free agency in those 16 years.

                            Do we have a list of Scott Boras free agents that we've "missed out on" in 2005 and last winter?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mainge View Post
                              I don't know how useful the Scott Boras thing is. He represents elite players with elite contract demands, and we've made only two major forays into free agency in those 16 years.

                              Do we have a list of Scott Boras free agents that we've "missed out on" in 2005 and last winter?
                              That would be a very interesting list to check out.

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