2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Avisail garcia is STILL having multiple pitch clock violations. truly one of the worst free agent signings in team history. Right up there with Chen and Heath Bell and Ziegler and Tazawa.

[fish16]

I mean the first part is why they need another arm. But ultimately, this will mostly be garbage innings but they'll need to count on those guys (+ Sixto), for 4+ important/game competitive innings per week at a minimum. They could do this to open pretty easily and cycle them every 2+ appearances just to have maximum inventory of innings.

P12 - Hoeing (McCaughan, Faucher)
P13 - Munoz (Cronin, Simpson, Maldonado)

Hoeing, Munoz, and Cronin are all top 8 in innings so far to mention (so is Smeltzer and Yonny, but Smeltzer seems like an injury replacement for that Cabrera one). I have a hard time seeing Yonny making the team as-is without options but we'll see. I do think they can live with a few weeks of mostly Hoeing/Munoz/Cronin/Someone throwing mostly garbage time but Garrett and Cabrera need to be back ASAP of course and Weathers/Puk/Rogers/Soriano are going to have to look competent as the 3-4-5 SP + main longman/bridge reliever to help those three.


And that's weird with Brazoban. Wonder what is going on there.

Brazoban has had a visa issue for multiple years now. Clearly there is something with him in particular that gets held up every year. Not sure why that doesnt get addressed earlier but what do i know.

[lou]

JD Davis released - this is similar to Straily w/ the Marlins a few years ago which lets them get out of 80% of the money for the guys on the arb tenders. So he's getting a $1.1m check from the Giants and is a free agent. No one claimed him in baseball for a 1/$6.9m contract.

He has a 4.5 WAR or so last 1200 PA over 3 seasons (real good last year, 2.2 WAR). Good defensive numbers last year. I think these GMs outsmart themselves sometimes and that's how things like this happen, as well as Rosario signing for $1.5m (and I saw he turned down a 1/$4m from the Yankees to take less money to go to Tampa for a better playing time situation). These guys are huge potential values at this numbers.

This is a gift IMO for what the Marlins need. They could use a 3B who hit lefties to open up Berti elsewhere. If he isn't being valued as a 1/$7m player (which is likely why Taylor, Pham, Duvall, and Belt aren't being signed too), what's the deal here? 2/$10m? Opt-out? Sure? I'd sign him for 2 years with an opt out for that, he's turning 31 years old, and can be a 110+ game starter at 3B/1B this and next year and play against all lefties which is very important. If he stinks he's probably fine as a guy who can play some defense and hit lefties on the bench at minimum. It also gets Arraez to 1B a lot immediately with a trickle down of moving Berti. They'd be a good club with these effective platoons:

1B - Arraez/Burger/Bell
2B - Berti/Brujan/Arrarez
SS - Anderson/Berti
3B - Davis/Berti/Burger
LF - Gordon/DLC/Brujan
CF - Jazz/DLC/Gordon
RF - Sanchez/Gordon/Brujan
DH - Bell/Burger/DLC

Can we spend some inconsequential money instead of deadweighting Garcia on the roster? This is a better fit than Duvall/Pham/Taylor so maybe this is the one.

[Namaste]

Betting markets have us at a 78.5 over/under win total

Not encouraging at all. I was hoping more for a 82.5 texture.

[Nick]

Garcia has to go, this organization is even more of a joke than we already know they are if he’s on the opening day roster.

[lou]

Betting markets have us at a 78.5 over/under win total

Not encouraging at all. I was hoping more for a 82.5 texture.

That’s what happens when your off-season is bethancourt, Brujan, Anderson, snd Gordon, and refusing to sign that bridge SP/Bulk guy. But for the later, maybe I am wrong and they let Max rip without a rehab and don’t worry about the service time.

JD Davis for Garcia would be a start

[fish16]

tim anderson has looked pretty decent thus far. he matched his home run total for all of last year last night.

Our SP's have been unbelievable thus far. Rogers and Meyer were great last night. Arraez after a terrible start is of course hitting .320

[fish16]

betancourt has had a pretty good spring with the bat and is clearly a force in the run game, but fortes has been just as bad with the bat thus far as he was last year, if not worse. I dont see why he would be guaranteed a spot over Casali. Id rather see fortes go down and get some at bats. Casali had a great reputation as a defender and handling pitches in san francisco and he has some pop in his bat.

[Namaste]

tim anderson has looked pretty decent thus far. he matched his home run total for all of last year last night.

Our SP's have been unbelievable thus far. Rogers and Meyer were great last night. Arraez after a terrible start is of course hitting .320

Rogers (a guy you said 2 weeks ago has done nothing in years and shouldn't be given preference as a starter) looked and did great. Max Meyer had a great stat line but gave up some really hard hit balls on his FB.

[fish16]

Rogers (a guy you said 2 weeks ago has done nothing in years and shouldn't be given preference as a starter) looked and did great. Max Meyer had a great stat line but gave up some really hard hit balls on his FB.

Rogers, who very clearly and obviously has not done anything since the first half of 2021 and should not be given preference as a starter, did great, yes. This is the epitome of earning a spot in the rotation, which is exactly how i said he should be handled. If he keeps it up he will have earned a spot. He has pitched 5 innings in spring.

[fish16]

Between all of our rotation candidates (Eury, Luzardo, Cabera, Rogers, Weathers, Meyer), they have 66 k's to 10 walks. They have given up just 9 ER's in 55.1 innings, which would be a 1.47 ERA.

[fish16]

Anthony Maldonado should be in the bullpen to start the year. He was great in AAA and has looked good in spring.

[Nick]

Troy Johnston to AAA, Hit .357, with a .444 OBP in 14 ABs. Did not have an XBH, though.

[fish16]

right shoulder impingement for Cabrera. Only day to day. relatively good news.

[lou]

right shoulder impingement for Cabrera. Only day to day. relatively good news.

I came here for this - he missed a month with this same thing last year. He's gonna miss 3-4 starts. It's going to be April 20 something

But a silver lining here is, if Garrett and Cabrera miss 3-4 starts each, and we're assuming at absolute most they can throw 160 innings, they basically won't have to be managed as much once they are back and can average 6 innings a start (if they can do it). So basically, the Marlins might not lose any innings as they both could still hit their theoretical capacity, and this would indirectly help bullpen inventory by not having to manage them early on and they are just full time 90+ pitch SP once up.

This kind of helps the "August and September" bomb we anticipate and Nick first pointed out which I agree with, as that bomb is now..... APRIL. Just how you want to star the season.