2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[lou]

After this I am done with this. I did a search out of curiosity. I have mentioned McCambley 3 times-and that includes the post where I said I had only mentioned him twice.

You have mentioned Jansen 67 times.

Cool story. So I’m right. Thanks.

It’s a sports message board. Or maybe we should just not discuss anything Marlins and point out how smart the Cardinals are for signing two excellent innings eaters (Lynn, Gibson) and can focus on finding a long term stud now with their remaining bat inventory. TBH, Herrera, Edman, and Carlson is 1 stop shopping. Fortes (to solve their backup C situation with the noted other C depth you’ve mentioned and I agree with), Amaya (who would no longer be needed but provides long term backup hope), who else makes that happen? Cabrera? Max? Rogers and friends? This is the kind of content I’m interested in. If you’re not, cool. Seeing the Cardinals plan, and how it impacts the Marlins is what I like to think about. They’ve become an even better trade partner now as a controlled high upside guy is perfect for them.

Or should we just not talk baseball and wait till some AAAA guys is signed?

[Todd]

Carlson and Edman are big risks. Both were beyond awful offensively last year and both could very well be 4th of/utility types.

[fish16]

Carlson and Edman are big risks. Both were beyond awful offensively last year and both could very well be 4th of/utility types.

You’re not going to get Lou to ever admit that he might possibly be wrong. He knows best and does it with condescension when you have a differing opinion. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you mention mccambley. I have however seen Lou reference andrus, jansen, Kirk, Rosario, Edman, Donovan, knizner, for some reason Fernando tatis jr about 150 times with most of them not ever being connected to the marlins

That being said, I’d take a risk on Carlson and edman, but it’s not going to happen. We don’t have many trade chips, and those guys don’t move the needle enough to make it worth giving up the pieces that we do have

[lou]

You’re not going to get Lou to ever admit that he might possibly be wrong. He knows best and does it with condescension when you have a differing opinion. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you mention mccambley. I have however seen Lou reference andrus, jansen, Kirk, Rosario, Edman, Donovan, knizner, for some reason Fernando tatis jr about 150 times with most of them not ever being connected to the marlins

That being said, I’d take a risk on Carlson and edman, but it’s not going to happen. We don’t have many trade chips, and those guys don’t move the needle enough to make it worth giving up the pieces that we do have

What am I wrong about here exactly, because Todd came for me without provocation and I called him out for it. Similar to what you’re doing here with condescension I might add. Am I not allowed to defend myself or talk about baseball? Can you let me know what is and is not acceptable to talk about on a sports message board, as apparently talking about potential players that might fit into their budget or dream scenarios is not allowed. Are we only allowed to comment on press reports with citing to articles?

Regardless Edman and Carlson are perfect IMO if they also were to get Jansen. I can see those three easily dropping 7+ WAR collectively. They got over 5 last year and Edman was banged up and Carlson had a real real down year. They had over “10” in 2022. Extend Edman and Jansen, and use all remaining dollars to replace the pitching you sent out. Edman is a huge performer and I’d just bet on Carlson. Marlins have the juice to do this and target Sandy, Eury, and Luzardo as the core long term rotation and you’ll still have multiple of Garrett, Rogers, Cabrera, Meyer, Weathers, and Fulton doing this. Maybe there are better names for them to get, but this would work assuming availability and that they would sign some innings as I imagine Rogers and one of Garrett/Cabrera would have to be moved here to do it. I’d roll with Eury, Luzardo, Garrett/Cabrera, “Free Agent”, and Weathers/Max/bullpen days for 2024 for big bat upgrades with control years but that’s me. Would prefer to talk about baseball ultimately. Maybe one day.

[Todd]

68th mention of Jansen. I am going to find some random mediocre player that the Marlins haven't been linked to and incessantly post about them. What does everyone think about trading for Rob Refsnyder? He is just the type of guy this club needs.

Edman and Carlson combined for a .239/.310/.378 line in 698 AB last season. How is that perfect, exactly? That is basically trading for 2023 Bryan De La Cruz but splitting his already poor production between two players.

[Namaste]

fish16 (and to some extent Todd) calling someone out on their posting style is sketchy at best.

we’re all diehard Marlins fans and a lot of really good ideas are brought to the table by all 3 of you

lets move on for the betterment of the board

[rmc523]

fish16 (and to some extent Todd) calling someone out on their posting style is sketchy at best.

we’re all diehard Marlins fans and a lot of really good ideas are brought to the table by all 3 of you

lets move on for the betterment of the board

I've been advocating that for months now.....it falls on deaf ears, or at best there's an "ok" until 3 posts later where it's the same back and forth...

[Todd]

With Nashville being named the most desirable MLB city, I hope that they and Raleigh get expansion teams.

AL East:
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Rays

AL Central:
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Blues(what their new name should have been)
Detroit Tigers
Toronto Blue Jays

AL South:
Houston Astros
Kansas City Royals
Nashville Sounds
Texas Rangers

AL West:
Las Vegas Athletics
Los Angeles Angels
Minnesota Twins
Seattle Mariners

NL East:
Cincinnati Reds
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
New York Mets

NL Central:
Chicago Cubs
Colorado Rockies
Milwaukee Brewers
St. Louis Cardinals

NL South:
Atlanta Braves
Miami Marlins
Raleigh Expos
Washington Nationals

NL West:
Arizona Diamondbacks
Los Angeles Dodgers
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants

• Interleague Play discontinued
• Rosters move to 28 players, 14 position 14 pitchers
• Playoffs have Divisional and Championship rounds
• No more Wild Card. Only 4 Division winners
• Schedule is made up of 18 annual games against teams in your division(9 h/9 a), then rotation of 12(6 h/6 a), 9(6 h/3 r v 2 teams; 3 h/6 r v 2 teams), and 6(3 h, 3 r).

[rmc523]

With Nashville being named the most desirable MLB city, I hope that they and Raleigh get expansion teams.

AL East:
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Rays

AL Central:
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Blues(what their new name should have been)
Detroit Tigers
Toronto Blue Jays

AL South:
Houston Astros
Kansas City Royals
Nashville Sounds
Texas Rangers

AL West:
Las Vegas Athletics
Los Angeles Angels
Minnesota Twins
Seattle Mariners

NL East:
Cincinnati Reds
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
New York Mets

NL Central:
Chicago Cubs
Colorado Rockies
Milwaukee Brewers
St. Louis Cardinals

NL South:
Atlanta Braves
Miami Marlins
Raleigh Expos
Washington Nationals

NL West:
Arizona Diamondbacks
Los Angeles Dodgers
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants

• Interleague Play discontinued
• Rosters move to 28 players, 14 position 14 pitchers
• Playoffs have Divisional and Championship rounds
• No more Wild Card. Only 4 Division winners
• Schedule is made up of 18 annual games against teams in your division(9 h/9 a), then rotation of 12(6 h/6 a), 9(6 h/3 r v 2 teams; 3 h/6 r v 2 teams), and 6(3 h, 3 r).

I question the viability of Raleigh.

I do see Nashville as highly likely to get one of the coming expansion teams.



Why is interleague play discontinued?

[Todd]

The vast majority of Interleague match ups are not interesting. It takes away the mystique of the World Series.

Taking it away(should have never been a thing to begin with) turns the World Series into something akin to the Champions League where the two best teams play eachother but only there.

[rmc523]

The vast majority of Interleague match ups are not interesting. It takes away the mystique of the World Series.

Taking it away(should have never been a thing to begin with) turns the World Series into something akin to the Champions League where the two best teams play eachother but only there.

Eh. I think it’s nice to see teams you don’t ever see

[Todd]

Raleigh is a market that might not be great on the outset but would be allowed to grow.

It is an education and financial hub. North Carolina is a baseball hotbed both in talent and Fandom. It is one of the faster growing cities among young professionals and just in general. And it only has the Hurricanes and college sports to compete with and their seasons have little overlap.

It has a lot of the same traits Atlanta had when the Braves moved there in the mid 60s.

[lou]

68th mention of Jansen. I am going to find some random mediocre player that the Marlins haven't been linked to and incessantly post about them. What does everyone think about trading for Rob Refsnyder? He is just the type of guy this club needs.

Edman and Carlson combined for a .239/.310/.378 line in 698 AB last season. How is that perfect, exactly? That is basically trading for 2023 Bryan De La Cruz but splitting his already poor production between two players.

I’m going to kindly point out I respond to criticism - you’re being the instigator here as others have just posted about with that unnecessary Jansen comment. I agree these snipes should be avoided.

Edman has had 2.6, 5.3, and 2.3 (injured) WAR years in a row and they’ve shuffled him all over the place. He can play SS and CF. He’s also a career .804 OPS vs LHP. Two years before FA do they should be able to extend him reasonably through his prime as a defensive style player. DLC has never sniffed this production. 1.6 career WAR and his last 1,000 PA is a .6. I will maintain they were right to play him to see what they had, but he didn’t work out. They should probably keep him around in a bench/DH role next year and see if he is a late bloomer but his expiration date is probably the ASB.

Carlson for me is just a bet on prospect pedigree + 2021-2022. 2.5 WAR each season. He’s also an .850 career OPS hitter on lefties and .675 vs RHP. Worse case scenario here, the Jazz and J. Sanchez OF platoons are easy to project and then Edman can play in the IF against right handers at SS (as Amaya on paper is going to hit lefties more so he’s the lefty SS post-Berti, etc.).

And I mentioned Jansen as yes, the would probably need some more offense after this so then targeting a catcher who can hit some dingers would be a natural choice as getting two more defensive / primarily lefty hitting guys makes a TON of sense IMO. Or they don’t really upgrade catcher and then all eyes are on a *big* OF acquisition to replace DLC.

This is good for me

Jansen or Whoever if you get bigger bat, Fortes
Arraez, Bell
Edwards, Brujan
Edman, Berti (Amaya)
Burger
Jazz (Dane)
Carlson
Sanchez (Burdick)
last bat - DLC or big upgrade, which TBH can be anywhere since Edman and Berti cover the whole field. Maybe Adames still makes sense here and Edman plays more 2B/OF which I don’t see as a negative, etc. But catcher makes the most sense.

Twins are shopping Vazquez I saw, that’s been mentioned as an option before and seems like a smart idea if the price is right compared to what’s out in the catcher market. They have other bats that make sense for sure.

[lou]

Raleigh is a market that might not be great on the outset but would be allowed to grow.

It is an education and financial hub. North Carolina is a baseball hotbed both in talent and Fandom. It is one of the faster growing cities among young professionals and just in general. And it only has the Hurricanes and college sports to compete with and their seasons have little overlap.

It has a lot of the same traits Atlanta had when the Braves moved there in the mid 60s.

I don’t disagree with you Raleigh is interesting, but I’ve always thought about this in terms of they should have an 8th pacific team.

Sea, SF, Oak/LV, LAD, LAA, SD, and Ari….. it just seems natural to me to add Portland or to a lesser extent Salt Lake (they get mentioned a lot for expansion). The Rockies are in no man’s land regionally, but I feel they’d fit in more east of the Rockies versus being lumped in with the west coast. Similar to your division lineup not putting Col with the “west.”

I think Nashville/Raleigh/Charlotte and Portland/Salt Lake is perfect regionally. I have no strong opinions on what the best two options are but I imagine it’s Nashville and Portland.

[lou]

Eh. I think it’s nice to see teams you don’t ever see

For sure. Also at 32 teams you can lower schedule to say 153 games (I think there are some net positives to this but a much longer conversation but TLDR - emphasizes your SP more, less wear and tear, more off days) and do this:

Other League, 3 games each (16 teams) - 48 games
Rest of your league, 6 games each (12 teams) - 72 games
rest of your 4 team division, 11 games each (3 teams) - 33 games
=153 games

I think something like that works in theory. Division winners each get automatic playoff bid, etc. Hence, maybe why I think an 8th west coast team makes more sense for scheduling.