Marlins Trade Everyone to Toronto, Receive lifetime supply of Maple Syrup

[MiamiHomer]

Actually Escobar will be staying for now at 3B,now if a team calls and offers stuff for him he could be dealt at the trade deadline

He has a cheap contract this year and the next 2 years are 5 mil/yr at at CLUB Option

You should avoid saying the bold part. Not like you are breaking news with that claim,

[emkayseven]

How is ostracizing the whole south florida market good for baseball? I don't think he should veto the trade but it's extremely important to force them to sell the team for baseball.

and overturning the trade and ostracizing (literally) the entire Canadian market is a good idea?

[Bobbob1313]

If Toronto didn't send Henderson Alvarez,Buerhle would have stayed. U guys realize that Alvarez is a 22 yr old SP who has pitched the last 2 years in the majors right? He is not some 22 yr old who pitched in AA and came up for a start one time

He also struck out 3.8 batters per nine innings over the course of a full season while allowing a bunch of home runs. He might suck.

[tjfla]

The money in this deal goes to 1 person and its for John Buck Toronto wanted the 4 million dollars to cover the difference of Buck and Mathis contract.

[Beef]

It doesn't have jack to do with baseball though. If the ruling is whether or not it's a "fair" trade it is an awful track for baseball to embark on. Tim Hudson for Dan Meyer and Charles Thomas? Jermaine Dye for Keith Lockhart and Michael Tucker? AdGonz and Chris Young for Otsuka and Eaton? Aramis Ramirez for a few warm bodies? When you start ruling on if it's fair from a baseball perspective it creates a mess.

If there's a ruling it's on whether this is a pattern of destructive behavior or whether this will ruin the Miami market forever, not whether it's a "fair" video game trade.

But it seems to me he is focusing only on baseball aspects of trade

[tjfla]

He also struck out 3.8 batters per nine innings over the course of a full season while allowing a bunch of home runs. He might suck.

I know he might but they got exactly what they wanted for him. A young SP who they could put in his spot. People are acting like the guy is a career minor leaguer who is just filler

[Jay]

and overturning the trade and ostracizing (literally) the entire Canadian market is a good idea?

Did you read what I wrote? It's not about the vetoing the trade its about the situation and forcing Loria to sell the team.

[Erick]

The whole trade was? Are u kidding? JJ was dealt for exactly what they wanted for him/Boner and Escobar have the same salary/Buck made 6 mil and Mathis makes 1.5 mil.

If Toronto didn't send Henderson Alvarez,Buerhle would have stayed. U guys realize that Alvarez is a 22 yr old SP who has pitched the last 2 years in the majors right? He is not some 22 yr old who pitched in AA and came up for a start one time

The 2014 Rotation

?(Who knows)
Alvarez
Turner
Fernandez
?(Hand,Eovaldi,Koelher)

Reyes was the only part that was an acutally salary dump,the rest of it was excellent baseball value

I don't think you understand the meaning of what a salary dump is.

The rest was good (not excellent, really) baseball value because of the respective contracts.

If Mark Buehrle is not paid like an ace the last two years of his contract, his value is better than this.
You honestly think, contract aside, that Mark Buehrle is worth...uh, Justin Nicholino?

Edit: Sorry, apparently, it's Henderson Alvarez. The guy with the worst K% in the big leagues last year. Buehrle, contract aside, is probably worth a little more than that guy right now... It's a salary dump.
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A bunch of Escobars to get them to 65 wins instead of 58, sounds swell.

To answer the bold, they still have $16 million to shed with Nolasco and Escobar. They are around $43 right now with payments going out (Bell, Ozzie, $4 mil to toronto, etc), so they can get really close to $30 ditching most of Nolasco and Escobar. That's where I expect this is going.

Clear the decks, draw 1 million people, revenue sharing, profit

Keeping the current team gets them 75. Swell...
I thought we weren't using that logic.

Anyway, Escobar's contract is a good contract. If they didn't want Escobar, they could've just gotten another cheap minor leaguer, anyway. I don't think he gets dealt but I could be wrong.

Escobar would be our best 3B in years.
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The money in this deal goes to 1 person and its for John Buck Toronto wanted the 4 million dollars to cover the difference of Buck and Mathis contract.

Why was this portion of the deal included then?
Jeff Mathis sucks.

[lou]

We aren't using that logic Eric, because they don't care about the W/L. They care about the bottom line.

Likewise, you realize this kills baseball in south florida. No one will ever support this franchise until he sells it. People arent going to show up even if they ever win, because everyone will just believe the next sell off is a year away and won't waste their time getting their hopes up. I don't think you fully appreciate the PR/public relations/emotional fan base reaction that is going on.

[Mainge]

Ya know, I don't even mind the trading all of these guys, and if we could get some kind of guarantee that the team is going to reinvest the money saved (and not necessarily all at once, or even at all this season), I'd understand that line of thinking.

There are very real baseball reasons for trading these guys.

• Buck is self explanatory.
• Boni is a nothing piece.
• JJ is oft-injured, possibly on the decline and an impending FA.
• Buerhle is old as shit, is very overpaid (will be making almost $20m over the next few seasons), and is possibly beginning a decline as well (he had his third lowest ERA+ of his career).
• Reyes is the guy that makes the least amount of sense, but his salary does take a huge jump in a few years as he's reaching an age where his legs start to go. It's not unforgivable to move him for the right pieces, and would even be applauded if this franchise didn't have a history of mismanagement and distrust.

Even with all of those players on this team, it's still going to be really shitty, so it would make sense to move them, re-tool, reinvest, and start over.

The problem I have is, the compensation just isn't enough. These guys should have been sold off individually over the offseason to maximize their return. Not seemingly bundled in a box, put up for auction and sold to the highest bidder within an hour.

[Big Z]

Jeff Mathis is supposed to be great defensively. He moves in as Brantly's backup now, instead of Brantly being Buck's backup.

[lou]

Ya know, I don't even mind the trading all of these guys, and if we could get some kind of guarantee that the team is going to reinvest the money saved (and not necessarily all at once, or even at all this season), I'd understand that line of thinking.

There are very real baseball reasons for trading these guys.

• Buck is self explanatory.
• Boni is a nothing piece.
• JJ is oft-injured, possibly on the decline and an impending FA.
• Buerhle is old as shit, is very overpaid (will be making almost $20m over the next few seasons), and is possibly beginning a decline as well (he had his third lowest ERA+ of his career).
• Reyes is the guy that makes the least amount of sense, but his salary does take a huge jump in a few years as he's reaching an age where his legs start to go. It's not unforgivable to move him for the right pieces, and would even be applauded if this franchise didn't have a history of mismanagement and distrust.

Even with all of those players on this team, it's still going to be really shitty, so it would make sense to move them, re-tool, reinvest, and start over.

The problem I have is, the compensation just isn't enough. These guys should have been sold off individually over the offseason to maximize their return. Not seemingly bundled in a box, put up for auction and sold to the highest bidder within an hour.

Yep. 100%.

Both bolds are insurmountable problems with these clowns.
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Not to mention, how would they spend that money cause no free agent is going to trust them not to trade them to Canada

[Bobbob1313]

I know he might but they got exactly what they wanted for him. A young SP who they could put in his spot. People are acting like the guy is a career minor leaguer who is just filler

And you are acting like he's a stud when he's not. People have every right to be skeptical about his long-term potential.

[emkayseven]

http://www.rds.ca/baseball/chroniques/351305.html

I see the word revision but don't speak french

[Mainge]

http://www.rds.ca/baseball/chroniques/351305.html

I see the word revision but don't speak french

ROSEMONT, United States - The Commissioner of MLB, Bud Selig, has admitted that the mega-deal between the Toronto Blue Jays and Miami Marlins subject to revision. Selig also said to be "aware" of angry supporters of South Florida. Speaking at the conclusion of the meeting of team owners, Selig said Thursday that the deal, which must still be approved, no had not been brought to his attention in a formal way, stating that it is currently being revised. Commissioner however said he spoke with two people involved in the world of baseball, but this independent transaction believe that the Marlins have done well.



The Marlins have given the star shortstop Jose Reyes, left-hander Mark Buehrle and right-hander Josh Johnson in return for short-stop Yunel Escobar and Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez and right-hander hopes more prominent. This transaction should be official once all players involved have passed medical examinations, but many fans are angry with the Marlins this transaction comes less than a year after the first match of the team in a new stadium financed by public funds.

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