2013 Miami Marlins Thread: Looking Forward

[lou]

I always gave these guys the benefit of the doubt imagining that they did have a plan at the end of the day once the stadium and all the crap was over with. Now every new article makes them seem even more clownish. For a team crying revenue, let's fire the head baseball guy and manager both signed for 3 more seasons? Pretty amazing.

[Bobbob1313]

They are crying about revenue?

[lou]

Only the last 7 years and now at their "underperforming" sales this year

[rmc523]

Pretty sure he was being considered. It wasn't a done deal.

That's what I've read as well....nothing on the Rockies site about him being hired. Everything just says he's being considered.



This just came up on MLBTR:

The Marlins plan to fire president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest and replace him with assistant GM and VP of player personnel Dan Jennings, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported yesterday. However, Rosenthal reports that Miami is more likely to dismiss Guillen than re-structure its front office. The Marlins haven’t made a definitive decision regarding Guillen, Rosenthal writes. Owner Jeffrey Loria will make the final call.

So now, completely opposite of yesterday's news, the front office stays and Ozzie goes? Who knows?

[Bobbob1313]

Only the last 7 years and now at their "underperforming" sales this year

I don't really remember reading anything about this season, but I guess.

[emkayseven]

Ozzie Guillen has heard the rumors that his job may be in trouble.

"Ha. Ha. Ha," the Miami manager said Friday. "That's the last thing going through my mind every day, if I'm going to have a job next year. I'm going to have a job. I don't know if it's managing the Marlins, but I will have a job. I don't know if it's managing in the big leagues, but I will have a job."

Miami began the night 66-84, fighting with the New York Mets for last place in the NL East. Not exactly what Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria expected after hiring Guillen last fall and then spending $191 million in a five-day span during the offseason to sign All-Stars Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle and Heath Bell.

The team, renamed from the Florida Marlins, moved into a $634 million retractable-roof ballpark and agreed to star in a Showtime reality series, "The Franchise." The season started coming apart when Guillen was suspended for five games in April following comments praising Cuban leader Fidel Castro, infuriating the Miami-area Cuban community.

"If Jeffrey thinks I don't do the job I should do, it's not the first time he fired the manager," Guillen said. "I know if it's going to be easier for him to fire another one. I don't worry about that. I expect to be back 100 percent."

But if he's not, he has only one worry.

"The worst thing about my job is pack my house in Miami," he said. "I've got a lot of clothes. But after that, nope."

As the team failed to contend, the Marlins traded Hanley Ramirez, Omar Infante, Anibal Sanchez, Edward Mujica and Gaby Sanchez. Guillen said all the decision-makers in the organization were at fault for the poor record.

"We all failed and we're all responsible about this," he said. "It's not about that guy, this guy, that guy, this guy. We all failed. We all thought stuff was going to be better for us. It wasn't. It wasn't. We might have picked the wrong guys. We might pick the wrong team. We might have spent the money on the wrong people. Just name it."

Still, he wouldn't say dollars were given to the wrong players.

"I didn't spend money on anyone. ... I spend my money on women. I don't spend my money on guys," he said. "At the winter meetings, the expectation was really very, very, very high, with the players, with the manager, with the new park, with the new logos, with new faces and new things. Well, maybe we learn from the experience. It's not about new and expectation, it's about how people perform on the field, and we have to figure out to pick the right people, the right players to perform on the field."

He maintained everything possible went wrong this season.

"No pitching. No coaching. No managing," he said. "When the manager makes a move and the move no work out the right way, you're a dumb manager. That's the way it is. And when you're in last place, you're very dumb because every move you make all year long and every lineup you write, it was the wrong lineup."

If not impressed by his players' performance, he was by their physiques. Giancarlo Stanton posted pictures on Twitter of the team's rookies dressed as water polo players in Times Square.

"You see those guys' bodies? I showed it to my wife, and she took a look twice. ... You see we have a team with a great body, but not with talent. You see those guys, you see those pictures? My wife take it, they should be a porno star or something," he said. "I know a lot of women, they want to be around this ballclub because they have nice bodies. They do. Wow. My players are in better shape than the people who went to the Olympics. You see those guys' abs? That's unbelievable. ...

"We have great bodies. We drink coconut water every day. We eat salad, organic food. And we're in last place."

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP8056...a34fc5dd4.html

[HUGG]

Would be really stupid to fire him, in my opinion.

So, they probably will.

[Chewford]

The best course of action is clearly to fire the experienced manager with a WS title under his belt and hire a guy who has never managed in the MLB before because the experienced manager couldn't win with a roster with a grand total of 2 competent hitters.

[Party]

I will be very angry if Ozzie is fired and Beinfest is not.

We have gone through 4 managers in 5 years and the President of Baseball Operations gets to keep his job after a mediocre decade and two consecutive last place finishes.
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Also, why is the front office allegedly considering a guy who continuously would go behind McKeon's back to the media?

[Todd]

The Marlins are a poorly run franchise and that starts at the top.

[TheMendozaLine]

@MikeBerardino

"Look yourself in the mirror and ask why so many [expletive] managers come through here." -- Ozzie Guillen

[AdamRavs]

It's so hard to stay a fan of this team. The way it's ran. We won't spend money on players but we will keep firing managers and paying them. Or we spend money on players and then dump salary. So lets bring in another manager cause that will TOTALLY change our record right?

[Erick]

The best course of action is clearly to fire the experienced manager with a WS title under his belt and hire a guy who has never managed in the MLB before because the experienced manager couldn't win with a roster with a grand total of 2 competent hitters.

The funny thing is that if the team fires Ozzie and hires Bo Porter, everyone is going to hate it and it literally makes no difference.

Managers...who cares?
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I will be very angry if Ozzie is fired and Beinfest is not.

We have gone through 4 managers in 5 years and the President of Baseball Operations gets to keep his job after a mediocre decade and two consecutive last place finishes.
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Also, why is the front office allegedly considering a guy who continuously would go behind McKeon's back to the media?

I agree with the top part. It's time for the front office people to go.

[AdamRavs]

Its time for Loria AND the front office to go.

[tjfla]

The real problem isn't the FO or Ozzie it is Loria.

He wants YES man(Beinfest/Mike Hill/McKeon)and to be the Jerry Jones of MLB. He wants to make baseball decisions instead of just signing checks and keeping his mouth shut


This is why Bo Porter's name always pops up. While Bo is highly respected in MLB,he is ALSO a Loria Yes man. He has no problem going out there with the team Loria wants and coach them. The 1 thing Girardi,Gonzalez,Valentine,and Ozzie all have in common-They want the owner to spend money on guys THEY WANT and not ones he picks for them!!