Let's All Yell About Larry Beinfest!

[Namaste]

Bobbob


calm down

[Bobbob1313]

Lowell, Castillo, Delgado, Lo Duca

Castillo: three-year deal with a fourth-year team option
Lowell: four-year deal, only first three guaranteed
Lo Duca: three-year deal
Delgado: four-year deal

It's pretty cool how Johnson, Nolasco and Buck don't count for long-term, guaranteed deals, but all of those guys do.
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By the definitions of a long-term deal Swift has laid out in this thread, the Marlins have given out exactly two, to Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle.
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Swift, granting you Delgado and Luis Castilo, which of the following players has been worthy of keeping around for the duration of their long-term contracts?

Lowell
Lo Duca
Johnson
Hanley
Nolasco
Buck


With the exception of JJ, I find it hard to get mad at the team for not keeping those guys around, when you look at how they performed when they were traded (or in the case of Nolasco and Buck, not traded yet).

I feel like you may be mistaking incompetence for evil malevolence. Most of the long-term contracts Loria has signed off on have blown up in their faces. Rather than "Man, maybe we don't do so good on them there long-termers", you are turning it into "CARPET-BAGGING SWINDLER!" And I'm not sure the evidence is as strong as you think there.

If they finish off the Buck, Nolasco and Johnson contracts next season, will you be pleased simply because they finished off the contracts?

[Party]

That list is so depressing. Beinfest really is a horrible general manager. The more this season drags on, the more evident it becomes. I really hope the entire front office (including Sean Flynn who looks like a smug douche whenever I see him and has the balls to talk about how great the Marlins brand is), gets fired for blowing one of the greatest opportunities this franchise will have to change their image.

It is amazing how the Marlins try to portray themselves as this forward thinking organization. They try to be everything at once and it looks so forced and terrible. We have replicas of 'famous' pieces of modern art in the same ballpark where an octopus races a starfish. Our VP of Baseball Operations quotes RBIs and batting average. Instead of jumping into the very lucrative downtown Miami real estate market they are going to sit back and not spur any development around the ballpark, choosing to have a suburban model in an urban setting. So many missed opportunities wherever you look. The opening ceremonies for the ballpark were all of these things shown to the world in a 30 minute period.

You would think the same people who talk up self evaluation after every season would actually make some real changes. This franchise could be something real great if they had the ability to look long term and do things more like the Miami Heat. One of the best run franchises in professional sports is separated by one of the worst by 2 miles. It is amazing when you compare the two. This is not something new either, this has been ongoing for a very long time.

I'm really sick of this front office and this ownership. It's no surprise MLB didn't want them to move the Expos to DC. Instead we got stuck with them. If the reports of Loria making player decisions are correct that is beyond horrible and will not make turning things around any easier. This organization needs someone with real business acumen and not someone who made a few million dealing art and 'feeling' things and then married into money.

[Beef]

And this is based on what, exactly? Their propensity for doing the right thing? Their overwhelming concern with public image? Their love for signing long-term deals? Or just the general baseball acumen this group has shown?

But you do know that they'd trade him anyway and that they traded him not because he fuckin sucks and isn't worth what he is paid, but that they just wanted to get rid of money, and he made money.

And, like Jason Jackson says, you can't trade a player like Hanley because it proves they haven't changed.

You should just hold onto guys that suck and take up a shitload of your salary because at least it doesn't prove something that it doesn't really prove.

You're that guy, right?

That move doesn't prove what you seem to be using it to prove. These folks in charge may not have changed, but if you want to be a Jeff Passan about it and make illogical claims based on things that haven't yet happened, you're doing a good Jeff Passan.

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juanhrnandez @amanda23195
At the owner this marlins is suck don't have oprtunity to wins they quit all ready changes de coach's osiee y not good is suck ok

that is all

[Fritz]

Da fuq

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[Swifty]

How on earth do I look bad bob if my point all along has been that any long-term deal handed out with guaranteed money has yet to be honored to completion by the Marlins. That their history provides an overwhelming precedent of dealing deals before backloaded money comes due. Is it because I had a typo despite providing a source? Oh my.

Or is it the Josh Johnson thing? Because then that opens up a much larger discussion about smaller deals.

I'll ask a very simple question yet again, who have the Marlins (a) signed to a multi-year contract and (b) honored that multi-year contract in its entirety?

[flamarlins3]

I get your point and you are correct in that they've traded just about every long term contract (if you ignore Buck, Nolasco, Johnson for some reason).

I guess I just don't get what you're angry about. Who cares if they don't honor those contracts. Just about every long term deal they've ever given out has been a flop. If they can clear that money and spend elsewhere (if they spend it wisely is a whole other issue), and maybe get a decent prospect or two, isn't that a good thing?

[lou]

I think Swift is still pissed about his Mike Piazza and Mike Hampton Marlins jerseys?

[Beef]

How on earth do I look bad bob if my point all along has been that any long-term deal handed out with guaranteed money has yet to be honored to completion by the Marlins. That their history provides an overwhelming precedent of dealing deals before backloaded money comes due. Is it because I had a typo despite providing a source? Oh my.

Or is it the Josh Johnson thing? Because then that opens up a much larger discussion about smaller deals.

I'll ask a very simple question yet again, who have the Marlins (a) signed to a multi-year contract and (b) honored that multi-year contract in its entirety?

Seemed to me you used the Hanley trade to "prove" that they still don't have any intention of, and will not, actually commit to long term deals.

You did a lot more than just try to give us a history lesson about what they've done in the past. We know what they've done and haven't done.

If you really think trading a shitty player is a bad idea just because he has a long term contract and they need to prove to people like Swift, Dan Sileo and Jason Jackson that they intend to keep people who are making lots of money by not trading players who make lots of money that such, then you're thoughts are upside down.

[Namaste]

This is more amusing to me because Hanley wasn't even well liked. Most people, by and large, thought Hanley was a douche.


If they traded JJ I kinda get people going, "oh fuck here we go again".

[lou]

Obligatory other young star in baseball gets signed (S. Castro), and immediately makes me angry they have not bought out 2 Stanton Free agent years.

Fuck you front office.

[HUGG]

Juan C. Rodriguez @JCRMarlinsbeat
Long enough where you shouldn't be worrying about it now RT @ishap614: how long do you predict @Giancarlo818 will be a marlin?

Juan C. Rodriguez @JCRMarlinsbeat
They'll probably try to get him for six years after next season. Buying out 3 FA seasons, so would get more than Castro @knglover

not that he really knows much of anything

[Beef]

I think the fact that they haven't yet locked him up after next season proves quite well that they will never try to lock up anyone

/Swift

he gon get mad

[lou]

Juan C. Rodriguez @JCRMarlinsbeat
They'll probably try to get him for six years after next season. Buying out 3 FA seasons, so would get more than Castro @knglover

not that he really knows much of anything

It's truly amazing how much shit he doesn't know, because a 6 year contract would buy out 2 free agency years not 3. Which is enormous. Stanton has 2.118 days of service time after 2012. But he's right "he'll get more than Castro." No shit Nostradamus.

7/$85 is what I think it takes right now.

$1-$6-$8-$11-$17-$18-$21 plus $3 million signing bonus. That's $5 million more than Cargo, and more money annually in every season.

I think another 10 HR this season and it gets over $90 as his agent is going to start throwing around Prince, Cabrera, and Howard. Tick tock assholes.