Let's All Yell About Larry Beinfest!

[Erick]

And this is based on what, exactly? Their propensity for doing the right thing? Their overwhelming concern with public image? Their love for signing long-term deals? Or just the general baseball acumen this group has shown?

The fact that they didn't trade the long-term contracts who are currently playing well.

The fact you're comparing this to the days of Carlos Delgado is insane.

[Bobbob1313]

They have not traded Josh Johnson or Ricky Nolasco. They did trade Carlos Delgado. It's almost like there isn't a discernible pattern.

[Swifty]

Except those aren't "long-term" deals for the purposes of this discussion (remember, 10/5 vesting is a big deal, especially for this group).

The Marlins have never had a 10/5 player in their history. That's saying a lot, right there, but if you want to extend it out, name one player who's been signed to a long-term deal by Loria and who's completed that deal with the Marlins. Here's a clue: you can't because there isn't one. It's almost like there's a pattern, or something. Ya know?

[Bobbob1313]

So Carlos Delgado's four-year deal totally counts as a long term deal, but Josh Johnson's doesn't because fuck Loria, Swift sets his own standards.

Also, this ownership ground handed out like 1 long-term contract before 2009. But two players not finishing long-term contracts does not equal a pattern made out of concrete to me.

[Namaste]

This is the first year they have a baseball only facility which changes everything.

There is no pattern anymore.

Call me in 4 years.

[Bobbob1313]

(5 years or more guaranteed because, in theory, 10/5 rights could vest in the course of the deal)

If this is the standard you are using, then Hanley is also not a long-term contract, along with Delgado.
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The Marlins have handed out one "long-term contract" and they have not traded it yet.

[Erick]

Except those aren't "long-term" deals for the purposes of this discussion (remember, 10/5 vesting is a big deal, especially for this group).

The Marlins have never had a 10/5 player in their history. That's saying a lot, right there, but if you want to extend it out, name one player who's been signed to a long-term deal by Loria and who's completed that deal with the Marlins. Here's a clue: you can't because there isn't one. It's almost like there's a pattern, or something. Ya know?

It's almost like you don't realize three guys are about to finish their's next year. "Ya know?"

Also, who the fuck cares, really? Because the Marlins gave Nolasco a contract, they're automatically supposed to keep him for the entirety of the contract no matter what even though he sucks now?

Why don't you name us one team that keeps their contracts when the team sucks and the contracts are tradeable?

The Phillies traded some of their players this year. You know why? Because they suck now. It's not a Loria thing anymore. It's what usually happens at the trade deadline. Guys on losing teams get traded. Underperforming players get traded sometimes. Deal with it. This is completely different from the Carlos Delgado days. The team had a firesale after '05 (which was really just another mediocre team, anyway). What indicates the same thing is going to happen now? Because they traded Hanley?

Also, for what it's worth, the reasons for trading Hanley had to do with off the field stuff, as well.

[Bobbob1313]

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small weewees.

[Swifty]

Hanley signed a 7 year deal bobs link.

Lowell, Castillo, Delgado, Lo Duca all got guaranteed $ from them, all got traded. Don't bring them up because the heck with mentioning that, right?

[Mainge]

FWIW, I hope none of the contracts we signed in the winter are completed here. Those players are going to start making a lot more money in the latter years and will be beginning a decline in their production.

[Erick]

Hanley signed a 7 year deal bobs link.

Lowell, Castillo, Delgado, Lo Duca all got guaranteed $ from them, all got traded. Don't bring them up because the heck with mentioning that, right?

Yes, that's the team they had a firesale with. When they were still the Florida Marlins playing at Joe Robbie/Pro Player/Dolphin/Piece of shit Stadium.

It's the same thing, though.

[Bobbob1313]

Lowell, Castillo, Delgado, Lo Duca all got guaranteed $ from them, all got traded. Don't bring them up because the heck with mentioning that, right?

You defined "long-term deal" as anything that puts a player in line for 10-5 rights.

If you want to change your definition, that's one thing. But you don't get to ignore Buehrle, Reyes, JJ and Nolasco if you do that.

Hanley signed a 7 year deal bobs link.

Nah, he didn't. He signed a six-year deal in the middle of the season, but the deal did not cover that season.

09:$5.5M, 10:$7M, 11:$11M, 12:$15M, 13:$15.5M, 14:$16M

Deal ends in 2014, which will be his ninth major-league season, which is not 10. Barring a demotion, he will be at 9 years, 14 days, when the contract runs out.


Edit: Ehe, holy shit I didn't click on the link before I posted, but now that I have:

Source: Ramirez agrees to six-year, $70 million contract with Marlins

In giant fucking letters.

[Swifty]

I pretty clearly said 5 years. So, you know, 6 > 5.

[Erick]

I pretty clearly said 5 years. So, you know, 6 > 5.

What does this mean?

[Bobbob1313]

I pretty clearly said 5 years. So, you know, 6 > 5.

No. You clearly referenced 10-5 rights when discussing what a "long-term contract" is. Then, you tried to correct me by saying "7 year deal, bobs."

Then, you said only five-year contracts count and then cited Delgado as a long-term deal and not JJ.

I get that you're totally frothing angry about this, but you're not looking good right now.