Let's All Yell About Larry Beinfest!

[Erick]

I'm personally hoping they don't use the money for the 2013 team.

[Bobbob1313]

Not only that but I tend to believe they won't spend that money because if reports are true, we could have gotten back a much better player if we would have paid part of his salary.

I am skeptical of any report that simply says "better player", and doesn't tell me, like, a name.

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This is why I hate the "Marlins should have taken the Angels' offer for Cabrera" thing. We don't actually know what the offer was.

[Swifty]

Trololololololol.
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I mean, c'mon. I wasn't a fan of trading Hanley either but if he's still an average player for the duration of his contract, how is that a bad trade? Are you arguing that Hanley would still have been dealt if he was still elite?

Delgado suggests, yes.
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What could they have done in the 5 or 6 months since the stadium opened that would make you ready to believe that they intend to see their long-term contracts through to completion?

Because getting through a handful of years to prove it in a handful of months would be pretty impossible. Ya know?

The funny thing about trust is you can't earn it in a day, but you sure can lose it. I can sit here and say the Loria Marlins sign long term backloaded contracts with no intention of seeing them to completion and you can sit here and argue the opposite, but history says I'm right. Kinda hard to get around that ya know?

[Erick]

Delgado suggests, yes.
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The funny thing about trust is you can't earn it in a day, but you sure can lose it. I can sit here and say the Loria Marlins sign long term backloaded contracts with no intention of seeing them to completion and you can sit here and argue the opposite, but history says I'm right. Kinda hard to get around that ya know?

You don't see the difference between the current situation and the Delgado days?

[Swifty]

Well, they could always reinvest the money they saved on Hanley on other free agents. It's hard to call a trade "financially motivated" if they shipped out a bad/average player at $16 million/year and then spend $16 million this offseason for a better player.

Who'd they spend that $16 million on? When they spend it on one player, call me on the party-line...maybe?

[Erick]

Who'd they spend that $16 million on? When they spend it on one player, call me on the party-line...maybe?

Maybe it's best that they don't spend it on one player.

[Mainge]

Delgado suggests, yes.

That's not even fucking close to comparable. Jesus fucking Christ.

[The_Godfather]

I am skeptical of any report that simply says "better player", and doesn't tell me, like, a name.

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This is why I hate the "Marlins should have taken the Angels' offer for Cabrera" thing. We don't actually know what the offer was.

Yea but its only a counterargument against another imaginary player in the whole 'well now we have an extra 16 mil we think we might spend on a player' game. This and your second point are not related in any way, no need to bring it up.

[Namaste]

They haven't spent $16 million next offseason yet

I don't think The Godfather got the meaning of this post.

[lou]

Frisario reported it's going to be above $90, under $100 mil somewhere.

That basically brings back the team and allows them $15-25 million in free agency to get a center field starter, a third base starter, a platoon LF to help Ruggiano, and 2-3 veteran bench bats/pen arm.

If they reinvested "money saved" in 2012 and were committed to matching 2012 salary, payroll would be $108-110 range, meaning they would be spending $33-35 in free agency.

[Swifty]

That's not even fucking close to comparable. Jesus fucking Christ.

Under Loria there's an overwhelming history of selling off players. There's a debatable history about selling low on those players. There's very little done in terms of buying/extending, and the few examples we have, for one reason or another, aren't perfect comparisons to one another.

However, in terms of asking a very pointed question along the lines of do I believe Hanley would have been traded if he were still producing at a 2009 level, I think Delgado is a perfectly relevant comparable. Long term deal, big money still owed (back-loaded) and coming off a year in which he did everything the Marlins could have expected and he was dealt. That it was part of a much larger tear-down is, itself, irrelevant because it speaks more to the issue of whether or not the Marlins make a habit of keeping elite players who are producing when they are owed significant money in a guaranteed contract.

Should the Marlins' fans believe the team to be in better financial shape in 2012 than post 2005? I guess (even though the team was making money back then, too) but that makes the Hanley financial dump all the more egregious.

[BigGameFish]

We should've inked Cespedes this offseason instead of Bell.
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Our hitting is going to suck again next year. I don't see us getting the real piece we need this offseason, which is a bat to complement Staton; i.e. a plus-average hitter. Ruggiano may be that guy for us, but I can't count on this again next year. I think Lomo is a bust. I'd rather have Carlos Lee playing 1st next season. Stanton-Ruggiano-Lee is a decent 3-5, but not good enough. I'm worried. Playoffs next year? I can't say we will be that elite in 2013.

[Namaste]

Well knowing what we know now of course we should have signed Cespedes and not Bell.

But GM's don't have magical fucking crystal balls that tell the future.


And Swift, there's no way they trade Hanley at the deadline if he's OPS'ing above .800 and the team is sporting a -71 run differential. No fucking way.

[Bobbob1313]

I think Lomo is a bust. I'd rather have Carlos Lee playing 1st next season.

If you think they won't make the playoffs, then this is a silly thing.

[Swifty]

And Swift, there's no way they trade Hanley at the deadline if he's OPS'ing above .800 and the team is sporting a -71 run differential. No fucking way.

And this is based on what, exactly? Their propensity for doing the right thing? Their overwhelming concern with public image? Their love for signing long-term deals? Or just the general baseball acumen this group has shown?