JJ with Another Subpar Outing; Marlins Lose to Phillies 7-1

[Namaste]

As Mainge said, if JJ keeps pitching this poorly, we're screwed no matter what anyone else does. Do you think the defense will make that many mistakes in a row on a consistent basis?

If so, then yes, it is worthy of discussion. But in all likelihood, it's an anomaly. JJ's struggles may not be, and they are a much bigger deal either way.

I don't even know what your response is supposed to be saying. Do you think a single shitting defensive inning is more worthy of discussion than our $40,000,000 pitcher looking out of whack?

Did it ever cross your mind that the lengths to which JJ's ineffectiveness are being discussed would never have reached such great heights if a big call goes his way and his defense doesn't play like a fucking girls team?

[tr305]

I should have said his bat that seems to only hit lazy pop ups to the opposite field. No man in the league can hit a better oppo pop fly to shallow left.

[Mainge]

I should have said his bat that seems to only hit lazy pop ups to the opposite field. No man in the league can hit a better oppo pop fly to shallow left.

I don't remember many opposite field pop flies.

The correct answer is ground balls to second.

[tr305]

He's great on those as well but there have been multiple lolly pops to left.

[Bobbob1313]

Did it ever cross your mind that the lengths to which JJ's ineffectiveness are being discussed would never have reached such great heights if a big call goes his way and his defense doesn't play like a fucking girls team?

He had a single swinging strike in 80 pitches. I don't think people are worried because he gave up some unearned runs.

People are concerned because he has now induced 8 swinging strikes on 4.7 percent of his 167 pitches this season, compared to a career rate of 9.7 percent.

I personally think those concerns are a little overblown because it's still too early to make definitive statements, but JJ's ineffectiveness has been his own doing this season and nobody else's.

I am worried neither about a single bad inning of defense nor JJ's struggles. However there's no question which topic is more worthy of discussion.

[Erick]

JJ's velocity is a bit down but that's to be expected early on, no?

Aside from that, there's some bad luck involved. What's his .BABIP against after 2 starts? Near .600 now?

Good time to trade for him in fantasy if the guy who has him is an idiot!

[Bobbob1313]

JJ's velocity is a bit down but that's to be expected early on, no?

With the exception of 2010, that has not really been the case in his career.

[tr305]

wtf is that

[Bobbob1313]

Ehe.

[Mainge]

Aside from that, there's some bad luck involved. What's his .BABIP against after 2 starts? Near .600 now?

I'm not a fan of this type of thinking. Yes his BABIP is high but that's kind of useless without context. He's giving up a lot of line drives. Probably because he's can't put anyone away.

Your BABIP is going to be high when you're giving up a bunch of liners.

[Big Z]

Roy Halladay.

[Erick]

With the exception of 2010, that has not really been the case in his career.

I don't know how far it extends but it seems like a lot of elite pitchers are reportedly having velocity issues early on. Felix, Lincecum, etc.

Halladay threw plenty of pitches at 90-91 tonight it seemed; I just checked his first start and he was in that area, which is about 2 mph off of last year.

I just think the sample is too small right now. Tonight, in particular, I'm sure the weather conditions did not help.
He had a similar issue on a cold night at Citi Field last year............although, I believe that was also the night he went on the DL, not sure.

Either way, if he's still healthy, I'm not concerned at all. Lack of swinging strikes is a problem, but there's no doubt he's also had some bad luck with balls put in play, which only make the early problems look a lot worse.

[Bobbob1313]

Either way, if he's still healthy, I'm not concerned at all. Lack of swinging strikes is a problem, but there's no doubt he's also had some bad luck with balls put in play, which only make the early problems look a lot worse.

Nobody is concerned about anything except this. People are concerned that he is not healthy. That is it.

[Erick]

I'm not a fan of this type of thinking. Yes his BABIP is high but that's kind of useless without context. He's giving up a lot of line drives. Probably because he's can't put anyone away.

Your BABIP is going to be high when you're giving up a bunch of liners.

Fair enough. I think it's safe to say that the 45% LD%/.450 .BABIP is definitely abnormal and a product of a small sample though.

If it continues for another couple of starts, he's obviously injured.
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Nobody is concerned about anything except this. People are concerned that he is not healthy. That is it.

Yeah, that's fair.

[Mainge]

Fair enough. I think it's safe to say that the 45% LD%/.450 .BABIP is definitely abnormal and a product of a small sample though.

If it continues for another couple of starts, he's obviously injured.

Yeah I'm not worried yet.

Just saying context with things like that is good.