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  • The New Yorker: The End of the Retro Ballpark

    Posted by Reeves Wiedeman

    Recently, I was in the offices of Populous, the sports-architecture firm, looking through several boxes of papers documenting the design process of the company’s newest stadium, Marlins Park. “Mr. Loria told us to make a piece of art,” Earl Santee, the lead designer on the stadium, told me, referring to the Marlins owner and art collector Jeffrey Loria. In addition to feasibility studies, there were hand-drawn renderings of a bobblehead museum and a nine-item list of “primary design objectives,” from April 2008. The top goal was creating “a ballpark that is quintessentially Miami,” which meant, according to a list of adjectives that the architects drew up:

    Palms
    Destination
    Diverse
    Recreation
    Beach

    They made a similar list for Little Havana, the stadium’s immediate neighborhood:

    Cuba
    Pastels
    Canopies
    Organic
    Everything is Unique

    All this was prepared for a presentation meant for Loria and the Marlins—and the architects knew what their client was hoping to hear. “The site is a gallery space with the ballpark representing gallery walls,” one page said, adding that the stadium would be a space for “the performance art displayed on the field of play.” The overriding goal: “Pure Color. Pure Art. Pure Baseball.”

    The Marlins unveiled their new stadium on Wednesday night—on “ESPN1,” as Ben McGrath noted (subscribers can also read Ben’s full account of the Marlins rebrand)—to mostly fawning architectural reviews. Even those who don’t like green, or fish, or that thing in center field, had at least one point of praise: well, it’s different! There were no bricks, no green iron trusses. This was gleaming white and shining glass, an homage to Richard Meier, not Honus Wagner.

    All this in a stadium designed by Populous, the firm responsible for eighteen of the last twenty-three M.L.B. parks—including both Yankee Stadium and Citi Field—most of which have embraced the past as much as the future.The retro trend in stadium design, led off by the Populous-designed Oriole Park at Camden Yards, was well received until it became even more derivative than it already was. It’s not quite right to credit or blame Populous for the trend—as the firm’s architects insist, they work in the service of their clients, and for the past twenty years, their clients mostly wanted retro ballparks—but they certainly enabled it.

    Of most interest among the Marlins Park documents were several pages that included four different designs presented to the Marlins back in 2008. Design Concept A was close to the final plan—it had more glass, and a large red stripe along the side (“water merging with land”)—but the others were even more radical departures from current stadium form. Concept B was square, with the sharp-edged corners of large white balconies forming the exterior. The inspiration was a cruise liner. From the sky, Concept C, “a theater for baseball,” looked like an artist’s palette, with a circular roof sliding off and on like a runny splotch of paint. Design Concept D was square, too, but with curved corners and a “dramatic cloak” of blue and tan around the side. It’s clear that Concept A was the architect’s favorite—and, ultimately, the team’s—but it’s worth noting that there were more radical designs under consideration.

    So, with Marlins Park open, where will these radical designs go next? Nowhere, perhaps. Populous has already designed a stadium for Tampa Bay, with a transparent roof that swoops upward like a circus tent being torn away by a stiff wind. The drawings are ready, but that’s it: a plan for public funding has been rejected once already, and the issue shows little sign of rejuvenation. Oakland hopes to move out of the stadium it shares with the football Raiders—it’s the only stadium that still hosts both an N.F.L. and M.L.B. team—but funding seems equally questionable. Almost every other team already has either an icon that will not be torn down (Fenway, Wrigley), or a stadium that, in the last twenty years, has been designed by Populous. The retro mold has finally been broken, but this might be the last chance a new style gets for some time.

    Photograph by Michael Schmelling.

    Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...#ixzz1rHx2yU70

    Would love to see the other designs.

  • #2
    I don't understand why so many people are hating on the stadium for not being old school. I haven't been to the stadium yet, but from the pictures and video, I think it's beautiful. I like the futuristic look of it. But then again, Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park are beautiful in their own right.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Miamarlin21 View Post
      I don't understand why so many people are hating on the stadium for not being old school. I haven't been to the stadium yet, but from the pictures and video, I think it's beautiful. I like the futuristic look of it. But then again, Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park are beautiful in their own right.
      I'm with you on that - the place looks great in person.

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      • #4
        Baseball fans are traditional and conservative by nature. A ballpark being modern and forward looking is something that hasn't been done since the 60s. It makes sense that a lot of folks wouldn't and won't like it.
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        • #5
          To be fair, there's nothing retro about Nats Park, Great American, Petco minus the warehouse or Target Field

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          • #6
            SO happy that Loria didn't go retro. Retro is so 2000 and late.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fritz View Post
              Baseball fans are traditional and conservative by nature. A ballpark being modern and forward looking is something that hasn't been done since the 60s. It makes sense that a lot of folks wouldn't and won't like it.
              The annoying thing is that there is absolutely no sense of context when they talk about the Marlins stadium and non-retro looking stadium generally. A "classic" looking baseball stadium would look more out-of-place in Miami than a metal retractable roof spaceship. There is no red brick anywhere in Miami. And, the more historical architectural styles from Miami's part don't really translate to a large scale building. You can't have an art deco or MIMO style stadium. Modern is really the only option.

              Also, Miami baseball fans are a very different breed from your typical baseball fan. The stadium should be evaluated on how it caters to those people, not the opinions of someone who laments that there's no more Ebbets Field.

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              • #8
                The only retractable roof ballpark that pulls off retro well is Safeco Field. Minute Maid Park is hokey and Miller Park's massive scale is out of place with what I think of brick buildings. Some of the open-air retro parks like Citi Field and the Ballpark in Arlington look contrived.

                Camden Yards and a few others pull it off because the playing field are below street level lowering the height of the facade outside.
                Last edited by Party; 04-10-2012, 11:02 PM.

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                • #9
                  Lance Berkman's thoughts on Marlins Park cemented his spot as the biggest redneck in MLB.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CrimsonCane View Post
                    The annoying thing is that there is absolutely no sense of context when they talk about the Marlins stadium and non-retro looking stadium generally. A "classic" looking baseball stadium would look more out-of-place in Miami than a metal retractable roof spaceship. There is no red brick anywhere in Miami. And, the more historical architectural styles from Miami's part don't really translate to a large scale building. You can't have an art deco or MIMO style stadium. Modern is really the only option.

                    Also, Miami baseball fans are a very different breed from your typical baseball fan. The stadium should be evaluated on how it caters to those people, not the opinions of someone who laments that there's no more Ebbets Field.
                    I think hopelessly retro people think everything related to baseball should be straight out of Field of Dreams or The Natural so it's hard for them to accept modernity. This goes for most sports fans though. I think the only major professional sport that embraces forward-thinking aesthetics is the NBA.

                    I had an argument with a guy on ThePhins about the Dolphins adopting a more modern look that is emblematic of the city. The guy just could not wrap his head around the idea of something not being retro and harkening back to the good old days.
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                    • #11
                      I think a lot of that from the NFL and MLB, besides the history and tradition, has to do with how well those old ballparks and uniforms photographed in black and white. Black and white covers up ugly real well. It's hard not to look at a photo of Ebbets Field and say "Wow that place looks great" even though it probably looked like something that was cobbled together in the 1910s.

                      The great thing about Target Field and Marlins Park is that those ballparks are very visually appealing in their use of color. PNC, despite being a retro ballpark, also does this because a completely different set of colors were used in lieu of brick red and green.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Miamarlin21 View Post
                        I don't understand why so many people are hating on the stadium for not being old school. I haven't been to the stadium yet, but from the pictures and video, I think it's beautiful. I like the futuristic look of it. But then again, Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park are beautiful in their own right.
                        The only people I've seen hating on the ballpark are morons on the Internet from other cities...and Lance Berkman. Other than that, the response from everyone that has actually been inside Marlins Park has been overwhelmingly positive (and rightfully so). It's a great design and a beautiful stadium. I've been to plenty of "retro" ballparks and some are great (like Camden Yards and PNC) but the majority just start looking like every other new ballpark out there.

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                        • #13
                          Did Lance Berkman really hate on the park? He said it's ephin huge and then gave his opinion on what types of aesthetics he prefers.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Beef View Post
                            Did Lance Berkman really hate on the park?
                            yes

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