Giancarlo Stanton, OF

[Fritz]

Reaping what you sow, boys.

[Bobbob1313]

This organization's inability to learn from the mistakes of the Cabrera Era ("Cabr-Era?") is amazing.

[Namaste]

The backlash will be even worse this time because baseball fans here and around the country have already seen the heights that Cabrera rose to.

And Stanton has that "it" factor because of the rocket HRs.
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The backlash will be even worse this time because baseball fans here and around the country have already seen the heights that Cabrera rose to.

And Stanton has that "it" factor because of the rocket HRs.
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Cool double post, brah.

[emkayseven]

Backlash will be way worse. And the worst part is they won't be expecting it. They'll think it'll all be cool if they offer him a $140 million contract and he turns it down because that'd be a genuine attempt.

[sports24/7]

This organization's inability to learn from the mistakes of the Cabrera Era ("Cabr-Era?") is amazing.

And what exactly is that? The two situations seem pretty different. Cabrera would have stayed, but the Marlins weren't going to pay him. They seem willing to pay Stanton, but he doesn't seem to want to stay.

If the Marlins do actually trade him, I think the difference will be that they won't be trading him for prospects. They'll look for young major league talent.

[Nick]

And what exactly is that? The two situations seem pretty different. Cabrera would have stayed, but the Marlins weren't going to pay him. They seem willing to pay Stanton, but he doesn't seem to want to stay.

If the Marlins do actually trade him, I think the difference will be that they won't be trading him for prospects. They'll look for young major league talent.

What evidence do you have that they're willing pay Stanton even close to what he's worth?

[sports24/7]

What evidence do you have that they're willing pay Stanton even close to what he's worth?

I obviously don't have any concrete evidence. The reports seem to all indicate that the Marlins plan to offer him a fair deal, but he doesn't seem interested in staying. It's not really that hard to believe when you think about how much money he was willing to throw at Pujols.

[emkayseven]

What evidence do we have that they'll pay him below his value either?

They've had YEARS to make an offer and no good reason not to do so. They STILL haven't made an offer. They talk to the media about wanting to sign him - and yet they've made no effort to sign him? It's because they're waiting for him to price himself out of their budget so they can throw out a still-large number that sounds good in media reports but is ultimately too low to get the job done.
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Not to mention the fact that a contract doesn't mean shit with this team. Remember when Hanley signed a big contract?!?! That was exciting.

Stanton probably will want a no trade clause, they'll refuse, and they'll call him stubborn.

[Bobbob1313]

And what exactly is that? The two situations seem pretty different. Cabrera would have stayed, but the Marlins weren't going to pay him. They seem willing to pay Stanton, but he doesn't seem to want to stay.

If the Marlins do actually trade him, I think the difference will be that they won't be trading him for prospects. They'll look for young major league talent.

The two situations are nearly identical, in that they could have locked both players up after it became clear they were the type of megastars you build around, but still years before their desire to stay or not even became a question. They failed to do so in both instances.

[Nick]

I obviously don't have any concrete evidence. The reports seem to all indicate that the Marlins plan to offer him a fair deal, but he doesn't seem interested in staying. It's not really that hard to believe when you think about how much money he was willing to throw at Pujols.

How can you possibly count anything that was done in the 2011-2012 offseason as relevant to our team now? Pujols would've been gone after 1 year like all the rest.

Nothing has stopped them from offering him a legitimate contract in the last 4 years and it hasn't happened. They're going to wait until his value as high as it can be and then offer him a lowball offer that there is no way he'll accept, like mk7 said.

[sports24/7]

How can you possibly count anything that was done in the 2011-2012 offseason as relevant to our team now? Pujols would've been gone after 1 year like all the rest.

Nothing has stopped them from offering him a legitimate contract in the last 4 years and it hasn't happened. They're going to wait until his value as high as it can be and then offer him a lowball offer that there is no way he'll accept, like mk7 said.

How can I use an example of an owner offering a major contract to show that he's willing to offer another player another big contract? I don't know, that must be crazy. If that team had won they would not have sold them off, and just because Loria would be willing to give Stanton a big deal doesn't mean he wouldn't eventually ship him off as well.
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The two situations are nearly identical, in that they could have locked both players up after it became clear they were the type of megastars you build around, but still years before their desire to stay or not even became a question. They failed to do so in both instances.

Where is there any proof that the Marlins could have locked Stanton up?

[Bobbob1313]

Where is there any proof that the Marlins could have locked Stanton up?

Literally every other young star player, basically. Have any of them turned down a big arbitration buyout package yet?
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The system is stacked in the teams' favor for the first three years of a player's career, when they have no leverage. That's the time you lock your young stars up. They are still making the minimum and are 3-5 years from free agency.

You want to build goodwill with your players and fanbase after the 2012 fire sale? How about locking up your 22-year-old outfielder who just led the league in slugging and was worth 12.4 WAR through his first 2.5 major-league seasons.

And before you say, "He wouldn't have signed an extension after the fire sale," he was still a full year away from arbitration and had injury issues. He would've signed something like 7/$90, guaranteeing him a huge payday and early free agency.

[Nick]

How can I use an example of an owner offering a major contract to show that he's willing to offer another player another big contract? I don't know, that must be crazy. If that team had won they would not have sold them off, and just because Loria would be willing to give Stanton a big deal doesn't mean he wouldn't eventually ship him off as well.
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Where is there any proof that the Marlins could have locked Stanton up?

Signing Players to long-term contracts and then shipping them away well before the end of that contract has been their MO well before Reyes and Buerhle. There's only so many times you can pull that shit before big-time players get wise, hence the situation we're in now. Also, those signings were simply for publicity to go along with the new stadium, if you believe there's any possible way that Reyes and Buerhle would still be on this team come 2014, you're nuts.

As far as your 2nd point. You can't lock him up if you don't offer him a contract, and there becomes a point where it's too little too late.

[nny]

Giancarlo Stanton, OF

There's been a couple young players that denied long term contracts. One of the Upton brothers was one, IIRC.

But yeah, it's rare.

And I'm sure it'd have been an easy sign when we signed all the FA that one season as goodwill was at it's highest.

[Big Z]

Just trade the damn guy already.