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  • The Marlins and Young Players' Contracts

    The minimum salary in the new collective-bargaining agreement increased from $414,000 to $480,000, giving even the lowest-paid players a handsome wage.

    Baseball’s economic system, however, allows clubs to otherwise determine the salaries of players in the 0-to-3-year service class almost unilaterally.

    The Miami Marlins, a team that spent lavishly on free agents this past offseason, are taking a particularly firm stand with those players, according to major-league sources.

    The union lost a similar grievance involving the Chicago White Sox in the 1980s. The amount of money at stake for each player is in the thousands, not millions.

    But the Marlins, if they remain unyielding, would risk angering their most accomplished 0-to-3s – players such as All-Star first baseman Gaby Sanchez, right fielder Mike Stanton and left fielder Logan Morrison.

    The players say that there should be “appropriate spacing” between a two-year veteran such as Sanchez and a player with less than one year of service and has barely worn a major-league uniform.

    The danger in angering such players is that they might become more eager to take the Marlins to a salary arbitration hearing after they qualify for the process with three years of service.

    Thus, the long-term costs of treating all 0-to-3 players the same might outweight the benefits of the minimal savings.

    The Marlins recently lost arbitration cases to right-hander Anibal Sanchez and infielder Emilio Bonifacio. They are 3-7 all-time in the process and 1-5 since 2007, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

    With 0-to-3s, the Marlins use the same type of scale as most clubs, rewarding those who contribute most. But according to sources, they are starting the scale with the old minimum rather than the new, reasoning that players will jump at least $66,000 anyway.

    If the scale determines that a player merits a jump from the old minimum of $414,000 to say, $460,000, the Marlins will simply pay him the new minimum of $480,000, sources say.

    No 0-to-3 player in the majors is likely to earn more than $510,000-$520,000, according to one rival executive. But other clubs are more flexible than the Marlins in awarding raises above the minimum, sources say.

    The Marlins have nine players with at least one or two years of service, according to Cots’ Baseball Contracts.

    Besides Sanchez, Stanton and Morrison, the list includes left-hander Wade LeBlanc, catcher Brett Hayes, outfielders Chris Coghlan and Scott Cousins and relievers Mike Dunn and Ryan Webb.
    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/m...dispute-022212

  • #2
    This article really pisses me off.

    Awww you mean that poor Logan Morrison will only make $460,000??

    Get real.

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    • #3
      You completely missed the point of it. Come on.

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      • #4
        one time

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ramp View Post
          You completely missed the point of it. Come on.
          What's the point that I missed? The Marlins are allowed to pay their players whatever they want as long as it's over the league minimum. If the Marlins want to pay them just the league minimum then that's their decision. If the league or the player's union doesn't like it, then they should change the rules.

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          • #6
            It's really bad business not to shell out an extra $10-20k on a starter versus a bench guy. It bites you in the ass when players are adamant about fighting you in arbitration. In fact, the Marlins should just give Stanton something really nice, like $550k, right now. They'll get that much back in longterm negotiations by showing some good faith.

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            • #7
              Some quotes from Cody Ross were added into the article recently:

              “That’s one of the main reasons I went to a hearing against them in my second year of arb,” said Boston Red Sox outfielder Cody Ross, who beat the Marlins in arbitration in 2010, receiving $4.45 million after the team offered $4.2 million.

              “I never forgot about them not giving me a raise ever as a 0-to-3 player. I didn’t think it was fair for me to make the same as a guy who comes up from minor league camp and makes the team.”

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lou View Post
                It's really bad business not to shell out an extra $10-20k on a starter versus a bench guy. It bites you in the ass when players are adamant about fighting you in arbitration. In fact, the Marlins should just give Stanton something really nice, like $550k, right now. They'll get that much back in longterm negotiations by showing some good faith.
                I don't agree. Just like the team has no loyalty to the players, the players (the majority) don't have loyalty to the team..nor should they either. It's a business and the team wants to pay the least amount possible and the players want to make the highest amount possible.

                Giving them a higher salary now when we don't have to won't make players seek the most amount of money possible come arbitration time. The agents decide this stuff anyways, discounts aren't going to happen just because of this.

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                • #9
                  Eh, you don't want to be the only team dicking around their players. Mike Stanton does not deserve the same salary this season as Steve Cishek does (I know that they have different ML service time, chill out)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ramp View Post
                    Eh, you don't want to be the only team dicking around their players. Mike Stanton does not deserve the same salary this season as Steve Cishek does (I know that they have different ML service time, chill out)
                    Why not? What difference in the end will it make? Sure it's a somewhat dickish move but I see no reason why they should make more than what it is deemed necessary if we can pay them the least amount possible within the rules.

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                    • #11
                      Cody Ross is so obnoxious.
                      poop

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
                        Pretend it is you getting the shaft on a raise from your employer. After three years of such treatment, because they can, you get a better offer elsewhere. Your employer begs you to stay and matches the offer. Do you stay?
                        That's a good scenario and all but baseball players can't leave after three years. Club has 6 years of having the upper hand in negotiating power to keep that player on the club longer if they so choose. Could it be a factor in a player leaving as an Unrestricted FA after six years? Sure, but plenty of other stuff comes into play here and if the team really wants to lock up a young star like Stanton a couple years into his free agency, they will.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The_Godfather View Post
                          I don't agree. Just like the team has no loyalty to the players, the players (the majority) don't have loyalty to the team..nor should they either. It's a business and the team wants to pay the least amount possible and the players want to make the highest amount possible.

                          Giving them a higher salary now when we don't have to won't make players seek the most amount of money possible come arbitration time. The agents decide this stuff anyways, discounts aren't going to happen just because of this.
                          I don't agree. I think by establishing better business relationships you save more in the long run. By the Marlins shelling out an extra (exorbitant) sum of say $50,000 a year spread among 5-7 club controlled players, to up Stanton/Morrison/Gaby/Webb to $500k and Hayes/Dunn/Cishek to $490, I think they will easily make that back through negotiating various buyouts and deals in the long run. Cody is right. Players talk and these guys remember how they didn't get that extra $10k years later. It is no coincidence the Marlins routinely get their ass kicked in arbitration by this nickel and dime philosophy as players are more inclined to believe the Marlins are trying to fuck them at every turn. Treat people fairly, and you end up better off.

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                          • #14
                            I mean, they don't "routinely get their asses kicked." It's happened like 6 times in 5 years, right?
                            poop

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                            • #15
                              They've lost 7 out of their last 8 or something. That's not routinely getting their ass kicked?

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