The Ozzie Guillen Thread

[jOOj]

Exactly, if nothing else the baseball world just got put on notice that we are for real, we are going to spend money. I love this as a message to the casual people who may know a bit about baseball but aren't total Marlins fans in Miami, big step.

[Namaste]

It gives us legitimacy.... Not that it's needed, but it's nice

Also, we aren't giving up anyone important in this deal, so this is very much for me

So it's not needed and it gives us "legitimacy" (which does nothing to win games).


I'm super meh about this.


Lock up Mike Stanton (when the time comes) and improve our team in the offseason and I will get excited.
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Exactly, if nothing else the baseball world just got put on notice that we are for real, we are going to spend money. I love this as a message to the casual people who may know a bit about baseball but aren't total Marlins fans in Miami, big step.

Haven't we said all along that we don't care if anyone cares about us?

Aren't we already resigned to the fact that BBTN is always gonna be YankeesRedSoxPhilliesYankeesRedSoxPhilliesYankeesR edSoxPhillies?


I'm not saying Ozzie is a downgrade from Edwin or Jack but I just can't get all worked up about this.

[Ramp]

So it's not needed and it gives us "legitimacy" (which does nothing to win games).


I'm super meh about this.


Lock up Mike Stanton (when the time comes) and improve our team in the offseason and I will get excited.
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Haven't we said all along that we don't care if anyone cares about us?

Aren't we already resigned to the fact that BBTN is always gonna be YankeesRedSoxPhilliesYankeesRedSoxPhilliesYankeesR edSoxPhillies?


I'm not saying Ozzie is a downgrade from Edwin or Jack but I just can't get all worked up about this.

It's nice to be noticed, no matter what anyone says.

Getting Ozzie is more than just getting Ozzie. It's bigger than that.

[jOOj]

It's important to be noticed in Miami, we actually need people to go to the games in order to keep the payroll high enough to compete. National media is also important here for free agents, Bo Porter wasn't going to attract players, as Hugg has been saying Ozzie Guillen has HIS GUYS and they will play for him.

[Namaste]

The way he came over here with the whole Money Speech just makes my penis sad

[jOOj]

We're going to pay him, Chicago didn't want to. Not a big deal.

[Metes]

Get paid and get laid

[Namaste]

Looks like I may be out on this island alone


I gon be eating coconuts for a while

[jOOj]

Don't worry fella! It's going to be fun. Maybe WGW even.

[Party]

This is the beginning of a very fun offseason. Even the way this broke was fun. OUT OF NOWHERE.

[Bobbob1313]

Looks like I may be out on this island alone


I gon be eating coconuts for a while

I'm really only worried about what we gave up. I don't think it's going to make a tangible difference on the field, but maybe it makes us look good and tips the balance in our favor for Reyes, or something.

[jOOj]

Miami Marlins 2012 - OUT OF NOWHERE!

[Ramp]

I'm really only worried about what we gave up. I don't think it's going to make a tangible difference on the field, but maybe it makes us look good and tips the balance in our favor for Reyes, or something.

No reason to worry

[Bobbob1313]

Well, last time a manager was traded, the team got a pretty good player in return.

This isn't a perfect analogy, but I wouldn't say we're totally in the clear.

[Party]

By Craig Davis
Sun Sentinel
September 27, 2011

MIAMI GARDENS— Jack McKeon will return to the seat on his tractor in North Carolina and Ozzie Guillen will lead the Marlins into their new ballpark in Little Havana next season.

The Chicago White Sox announced late Monday that they have agreed to Guillen's request to be released from his contract, allowing the manager to pursue other opportunities. The Chicago Tribune reported that the teams have agreed to a trade to bring the colorful but controversial Guillen, 47, to the Marlins in a deal that could eventually land him a four-year contract worth nearly $16 million, according to two White Sox sources.

Earlier Monday, McKein made it official Monday that he will retire for the second time following Wednesday's final Marlins game at Sun Life Stadium.

"I like Ozzie, I think he's a very, very intelligent manager. He was a smart player. I think he will do well. He's done well. He's a good man, I like him," McKeon said following the Marlins' 6-4 loss to the Nationals.

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Guillen was the third base coach for the Marlins under McKeon when they won the World Series in 2003. He led the White Sox to the title in 2005, but they missed the playoffs the past three season.

At 80, McKeon became the second-oldest manager in major league history when he returned as interim manager in June after Edwin Rodriguez resigned. Connie Mack was 87 when he stopped managing the Philadelphia Athletics in suit, tie and straw hat in 1950.

"Hopefully in 2017 or 2018 I'll be back to beat Connie," said McKeon, who is 1,050-988 in his long career. "It's been a great run, it really has. I'm disappointed I couldn't work the magic we had in [2003] this year. I still enjoy managing, but right now I think it's time to let someone else do it."

McKeon, who led the turnaround to a World Series championship in 2003, last week reclaimed the top spot in wins by a Marlins manager with 280, passing Fredi Gonzalez. The Marlins are 39-48 since he returned June 21. From 12 games under .500 when he took over, they reached 55-55 on Aug. 2 before injuries to players such as Hanley Ramirez and other shortcomings led to a late-season fade.

It had become apparent that McKeon would not return as he became increasingly outspoken in criticizing players in recent weeks. He chastised hitters for being "allergic to take walks," and Sunday said of underachieving starter Ricky Nolasco, "I can't figure him out. He's got too good a stuff to be a 10-12 pitcher." Nonetheless, he sees promise in the young talent on the roster.

"Hopefully we'll go out and get some players who can add to what we do have and make it fun again going into the new stadium. I think they're going to be much better than they were this year," he said. "I just hope the fans will be patient, and they get the right pieces together and we can have a rerun of 2003. I think it is going to be an exciting year next year."

The Marlins conducted the first two interviews for a replacement earlier Monday with third-base coach Joe Espada and Nationals coach Bo Porter. But Guillen there has been specfulation for months that Guillen was at the top of the Marlins' wish list.

Espada conveyed a similar message in an interview lasting more than an hour Monday morning with owner Jeffrey Loria, President David Samson and top executives Larry Beinfest and Mike Hill.

"I think we have a good foundation here of young players. Maybe adding a piece here or there and we could be in the postseason," said Espada, who has been with the organization for six years. This was the second time he has interviewed for the manager's job.

McKeon said family considerations prevented him from seriously entertaining thoughts of seeking to remain in the dugout. In addition to his wife Carol, his dog Yogi will embrace his return to Elon.

"I hate it, but I'll still be on call," McKeon said of leaving the game. "Of all the years I've been in baseball, I've enjoyed managing down here more than any place I've been."

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