Epically Horrible June Continues For Marlins, Lose 5-1 In Tampa

[Madman81]

And the starting pitching ERA

[Erick]

At least we got better defensively.

[Madman81]

Because no one is tired from running around the bases

[HUGG]

We need 2 SP, a 2B, a CF, and a 3B.

Gonna take one hell of an off-season for us to be good next season.

[Beef]

I would like to reiterate my point about how frustrating Stanton can be to watch. I'm a huge fan, but when he is on a cold streak it is so painful to watch.

I don't like the way he jogs and I don't like the way he walks after striking out.

[AdamRavs]

Since we suck so bad at RISP.. We should pick the line up out of a hat and go with it. Maybe Infante batting clean up is just what we need!

[emkayseven]

We need 2 SP, a 2B, a CF, and a 3B.

Gonna take one hell of an off-season for us to be good next season.

I disagree. There is no doubt in my mind that no matter what, Dominguez is our 3B next year. It helps that right now he's tearing the cover off the ball, but regardless, he'll be there. In fact, he'll probably be here this year.

I'd also be willing to bet Coghlan is in the fold somehow. Whether it's them moving him back to the IF or sticking him back at center (where he actually didn't look too bad) they aren't going to give up on the ROY from two years ago. If it took them so long to get rid of Hermida, I'd bet Coghlan sticks at least one more year.

So we'd need 2 SPs and either a 2B or CF. They're going to trade Leo, and you'd figure that would net one of those things. You also have to assume that a team like this is not going to bring in two outside SPs (have they ever done that in one offseason other than 2005?). I'd bet one of Elih, Koehler, Hand, West or - God fucking forbid - Volstad will be the 5 starter, at least to start. And if we are in contention we'll bring someone else in.

[Ramp]

If we're gonna suck, might as well be historic about it

[Beef]

mm hmm

[Fritz]

I rate your losing skills a 10!

[Bobbob1313]

Volstad is a worse option at #5 starter next year than Villanueva, Koehler, Hand, or West?

[Erick]

Isn't payroll going up to ~80 million next year? They have a lot of options (to whoever said, "when was the last time they signed 2 SP's in one offseason")?

[MiamiHomer]

I haven't looked at the options but I've heard people say there isn't a big market for pitchers in the upcoming FA period.

[Erick]

I haven't looked at the options but I've heard people say there isn't a big market for pitchers in the upcoming FA period.

Starting pitchers
Mark Buehrle (33)
Chris Carpenter (37) - $15MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Bruce Chen (35)
Aaron Cook (33) - $11MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Kyle Davies (28)
Ryan Dempster (35) - $14MM player option, no buyout
Justin Duchscherer (34)
Zach Duke (29) - $5.5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Jeff Francis (30)
Freddy Garcia (36)
Jon Garland (32) - $8MM club option with a $500K buyout; vests with 190 IP
Aaron Harang (34) - $5MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Rich Harden (30)
Livan Hernandez (37)
Edwin Jackson (28)
Kenshin Kawakami (37)
Scott Kazmir (28) - $13.5MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Hiroki Kuroda (37)
Rodrigo Lopez (36)
Paul Maholm (30) - $9.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
John Maine (31)
Jason Marquis (33)
Kevin Millwood (37)
Sergio Mitre (31)
Scott Olsen (28) - $4MM club option with a $100K buyout
Roy Oswalt (34) - $16MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Brad Penny (34)
Oliver Perez (30)
Joel Pineiro (33)
C.C. Sabathia (31) - may opt out of remaining four years, $92MM
Carlos Silva (33) - $12MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Javier Vazquez (35)
Adam Wainwright (30) - $10MM vesting option for '12, $12MM for '13
Tim Wakefield (45)
Chien-Ming Wang (32)
Brandon Webb (33)
Dontrelle Willis (30)
C.J. Wilson (31)
Chris Young (33)


I just noticed it's pretty weak.

The only arm I find intriguing is C.J. Wilson and there's a solid chance that he'll be a Type A free agent, so I don't see that happening.

[AdamRavs]

Were a long ways from free agency.. Lets limp through this season 1st