Errors Cost Marlins, D-Backs Overcome Blown Save To Win Series 6-5

[Omar]

He was a highly thought of prospect who is performing for the first time since he got here. Let's not throw a parade just yet.

[MiamiHomer]

He's also healthy for the first time since coming here.

[TealMonster08]

Cishek and Badenhop are essentially the same guy, no need for both of them to be on the 25-man roster.

[Mainge]

He was a highly thought of prospect who is performing for the first time since he got here. Let's not throw a parade just yet.

Incorrect. 1.39 ERA in Jacksonville with a 12.5 k/9

[Ramp]

Parade back on?!?

[AdamRavs]

The parade is back on and Ceda trounces all small elephants!

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[Erick]

Why is it wrong to have an extra Badenhop (even if that's all Cishek is, which I personally disagree)?

As of right now, our rotation has a Nolasco (good pitcher, but perfectly capable of being terrible in certain games), Volstad/Vazquez (mediocrity), and unknown 5th starter (regardless of who it is, he'll probably be garbage considering this team doesn't have an MLB-ready SP prospect).

Bullpen needs innings.

The idea that Ceda is going to immediately become a 7th/8th inning guy is probably ridiculous. He's had a career of control issues and while he's fixed that this year...that sample is still small, as well. Better is better but Ceda would, more than likely, be pitching in irrelevant situations, anyway. I'd much rather have the guy continue to develop in AAA as the closer there than to have him up here eating up meaningless innings that Badenhop/Cishek fill better because they're capable of going multiple innings.

The more guys who can throw multiple innings the better. It avoids terrible situations like Webb throwing 45 pitches/Dunn throwing 35 pitches in the game on Monday; a game that was irrelevant.
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Also, to be honest, there's no reason to have eight relievers anyway.

If anything, send Cishek down and call up a bench player.

[AdamRavs]

We won't have 8 Relievers.. One is gone when we call up a starter.. Ceda replaces Hensley.. If Hanley goes on the DL they will call up a bat.

Ceda Fills the 7th inning.. Mujica, Sanches and Cishek/Hopper fill our mult. inning roles we don't need 4 of them.

[Erick]

We won't have 8 Relievers.. One is gone when we call up a starter.. Ceda replaces Hensley.. If Hanley goes on the DL they will call up a bat.

Ceda Fills the 7th inning.. Mujica, Sanches and Cishek/Hopper fill our mult. inning roles we don't need 4 of them.

Just like that?

The guy who's proven nothing aside from the fact that he can't throw strikes at the big league level in his short time here immediately gets the 7th inning? Yeah, that's not happening.

Plus, if anything, Mujica should be the setup guy. 1.08 WHIP, great K/BB, and our best right-handed reliever with inherited baserunners doesn't belong in mop-up situations.

[Bobbob1313]

Any innings at the major league level or more important for development than closing in AAA.

[Ramp]

Any innings at the major league level or more important for development than closing in AAA.

not sure I agree with that at all

I'd say the majority of innings, but not all innings.

[Namaste]

Pirates just blew a 7 run lead.


Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (?)

[Bobbob1313]

not sure I agree with that at all

I'd say the majority of innings, but not all innings.

Even in a mop up role at the major league level, you're facing far better hitters than you will at any stop in the minors. It's not like the Cardinals pull Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman when they're up by 5.
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The guy who's proven nothing aside from the fact that he can't throw strikes at the big league level in his short time here immediately gets the 7th inning? Yeah, that's not happening.

He's thrown 8 innings. He hasn't proven anything one way or the other.

[AdamRavs]

Just like that?

The guy who's proven nothing aside from the fact that he can't throw strikes at the big league level in his short time here immediately gets the 7th inning? Yeah, that's not happening.

Plus, if anything, Mujica should be the setup guy. 1.08 WHIP, great K/BB, and our best right-handed reliever with inherited baserunners doesn't belong in mop-up situations.

Your original point is we should keep Cishek and Hopper up and Keep Ceda in AAA.. Ceda needs to be up. He hasn't proven he can or can't throw strikes. With Cishek/Hopper you know what your getting. A middle of the road reliever who can eat some innings. Ceda is a power pitcher who projects to be a closer.

[Erick]

The Cishek/Badenhop comparison is just foolish.

Cishek has better stuff/a lot more upside than Badenhop ever had.

If he's not a part of the future here, Cishek will be a big league reliever on some other team. Guys like him are highly valued these days too in the big leagues if he can continue to prove himself at this level.

Ryan Webb got the Padres a CF'er with upside. Just saying. Cishek is much more Ryan Webb than Burke Badenhop.

8.2 K/9, 2.1 K/BB, 7.2 H/9, 0.4 HR/9 + the eye test we've had so far of him at the big league level = a guy who could probably be a legit 7th/8th inning guy one day.

He definitely doesn't have Ceda's upside, but I definitely don't see Cishek as "another Badenhop/what a waste of time" type of arm.