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  • #16
    Time to Give Up on Vazquez?

    When Javier Vazquez signed with the Florida Marlins there was hope that the National League East would once again be a safe haven for his right arm. After posting a 2.77 FIP and an identical 2.77 xFIP as a member of the Atlanta Braves in 2009, Vazquez failed in his second tour of duty with the New York Yankees. His struggles in New York were well documented (5.56 FIP/4.69 xFIP) and even more concerning than the results was a steep drop in velocity. Vazquez never threw much harder than the low-90s to begin with, but was struggling to top out in the high-80s in 2010.

    Despite the loss of velocity, a move back to the National League seemed like a wise choice for Vazquez. But whatever plagued him in the Bronx has followed him to South Beach. Coming into his Monday night start against the Philadelphia Phillies, Vazquez had a 5.61 FIP with an xFIP above 6.0. He had more walks (21) than strikeouts (16), and allowed 35 hits in 31 innings despite a .290 BABIP.


    The velocity that he left in Atlanta has yet to resurface and one must wonder if it ever will. Vazquez went in to his last start averaging 88.2 MPH on his fastball. He struggled to average that much against the Phillies.

    On Monday, Vazquez failed to complete five innings for the second time in seven starts. He allowed five runs on nine hits. Not only did he fail to register a strikeout, but did not generate one single swing and miss on 75 pitches. Once upon a time, Vazquez had one of the better strikeout rates in the game. After last night, his 2011 K/9 is barely above 4.0.

    Coinciding with Vazquez’s drop in velocity and punchouts is an increase in flyballs and overall contact rate. For most of his career, he has been a neutral pitcher. This year, however, he has allowed over 50% flyballs. Hitters have whiffed on less than 5% of his pitches while making contact nearly 90% of the time.

    Although it’s early May, it’s not too soon to wonder how much longer the Marlins will continue the Vazquez experiment. For a team with a $57 million payroll (Cots Contracts), it will not be easy to swallow the $7 million salary of Vazquez. On the other hand, for a surprise contender in the NL East, potentially throwing away every fifth game is also bad for business.

    In a rotation with four above-average starters, Vazquez sticks out like a sore thumb. Unfortunately for the Marlins, there is no clear-cut alternative. Their top pitching prospect, Chad James, is pitching in A-Ball and their second best, Brad Hand, is not exactly lighting up Double-A (5.22 FIP). Their best option appears to be 28-year-old Jay Buente, who just recently converted from reliever to starter at the Triple-A level. Void of any real candidates to step in and make an impact, it appears as if the fish will be forced to sink or swim with Vazquez for the time being.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...-on-vazquez-2/
    "You owe it to yourself to find your own unorthodox way of succeeding, or sometimes, just surviving."
    - Michael Johnson


    J.T. Realmuto .282/.351/.412

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    • #17
      I request a thread title update, as the current one has been answered

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      • #18
        my favorite part of his starts are when we are batting

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        • #19
          Updated.

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          • #20
            My guess is he gets a "dead arm" DL and we see Koehler/Villanueva get a start or two.

            In all honesty, Javy hasn't looked "right." I really do think he's hurt.

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            • #21
              I agree. Not often someone falls off the planet this bad.

              I mentioned this before but look at his 2009 xFIP

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              • #22
                Bente
                "You owe it to yourself to find your own unorthodox way of succeeding, or sometimes, just surviving."
                - Michael Johnson


                J.T. Realmuto .282/.351/.412

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                • #23
                  People don't make a big enough deal about velocity, IMO. Losing that 4+ MPH from 92 is enough to retire someone. You can get away with 87-86 if you have excellent control, movement and the ability to change speeds, etc but that's pretty uncommon.

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                  • #24
                    His not being able to find the plate is way more disconcerting, IMO. Though the velocity might point to an injury like others are saying.

                    In a rotation with four above-average starters
                    I'll give props where it's due and say that Volstad has been better this year. I'm not, however, sure that such a bold claim can be made just yet.
                    God would be expecting a first pitch breaking ball in the dirt because humans love to disappoint him.
                    - Daft

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                    • #25
                      For a 10 year period, this is a guy who averaged 2.2 BB/9. He had pinpoint control. If he still did, he could probably have gotten away with being average-ish at 88 MPH. That's the biggest thing for me, to be honest.
                      poop

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                      • #26
                        JoeFrisaro: #Marlins place Javier Vazquez on the bereavement list, no timetable for his return
                        /Twitter

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                        • #27
                          Huh. I hope everything's ok with his family. That would be a really shitty reason for him to leave the team.
                          poop

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Bobbob1313 View Post
                            Huh. I hope everything's ok with his family. That would be a really shitty reason for him to leave the team.
                            Me, too. It's really odd timing, though.

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                            • #29
                              Could be that he's overthrowing.

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                              • #30
                                I do not bereave that for one minute
                                Originally posted by Madman81
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