Marlins Sign C John Buck to 3 Year Deal

[CrimsonCane]

Who decided that power was necessary on a winning team?

Basic math.

[Bobbob1313]

Who decided that power was necessary on a winning team?

Overall production is necessary to a winning team. Power is part of that.

They are banking that Infante, Dunn, Webb, Mujica, Buck, Full seasons of Stanton/Morrison, and whatever SP they end up signing > Uggla, the shit in the pen last year, Maybin, Miller.

I actually like the totality of the deals we've made in the offseason.

[Jay]

Overall production is necessary to a winning team. Power is part of that.

Power can be part of that. It is not necessarily needed

If you have a team that everyone slugs 1.000 you may score lots of runs but if you have a team that everyone has a obp of 1.000 your team is infinitely better than the first.

Power is a good thing to add and when assembling a team balancing the line up is part of that but it is not actually needed. It is just harder to get the same production without balancing the roster.

If you have a team with 8 players who all have a ba of .350, would you score runs?

If your team is missing power, that needs to be made up somewhere else.

A team that has 0 extra base hits can still win games and could be the best team when looking at the overall team. It

[Omar]

You know that 1.000 slugging for one AB is a single, yes?

[CrimsonCane]

A team that has 0 extra base hits can still win games and could be the best team when looking at the overall team.

In theory, sure. But, that's an impossible team to field in practice. You need power. Baseball has too much failure built-in to it for any team to rely exclusively on stringing together hits.

It's equivalent to a football team whose offense is comprised entirely of 3-5 yd runs. You need too many things to fall in to play for you to do well. You occasionally need those plays that go for 20+ yards.

[Jay]

In theory, sure. But, that's an impossible team to field in practice. You need power. Baseball has too much failure built-in to it for any team to rely exclusively on stringing together hits.

It's equivalent to a football team whose offense is comprised entirely of 3-5 yd runs. You need too many things to fall in to play for you to do well. You occasionally need those plays that go for 20+ yards.

Yes that is the point having some sort of balance is best but whenever a team loses a power bat, people seem to think it creates this void of a power bat.

That power bat isn't necessarily needed to win and it depends more on all aspects of a player to determine if his replacement will be a downgrade or an upgrade.

The point is losing one power bat is not going to have a huge impact on a team as long as he is replaced with a quality player. Even if he isn't replaced with a quality player or the quality player is still a downgrade from the player being replaced, you still can't recognize it as a problem if there are upgrades at other places on the team.

So lets look at the Uggla trade. The Marlins trade a power bat second baseman for someone who can play second base and a relief pitcher. As long as the Dunn pitches X much better than the player he replaces and
Infante only is X of a downgrade from the overall performance of Uggla. The team hasn't changed in terms of production.

[Erick]

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...fense-rankings

Good article on catcher's defense; it has Buck at +1.5 runs last year. If Buck can be average/above average defensively and hit 15-20 HR's, I'm starting to think it's not a such a bad deal.

I mean, Joaquin Benoit got 3 years, 16.5 million from the Tigers. It seems like it's going to be that type of offseason. Sometimes you have to overpay a bit to get the guy you want, and the team had money after the Uggla trade.

Buck >>> the crap we had last year at catcher.