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  • My 2010 Preview, Today, The Infield

    So I've had the domain for a while and the blog software I was using took a massive dump on me so I've restarted it. The blog is www.firstplacefish.com

    Here's my 2010 Infield Preview, and if you like what you read, the full article can be found here:

    Entering the 2010 season, the Marlins have all but one of their starting positions filled, a degree of certainty they haven't had since 2005. With the roster that secure, it's never too early to take a peek towards what 2010 may have in store for the team.

    Catcher

    The starter: John Baker will be entering his second full year as a Marlins starter (he took over in 2008 after the team finally pulled the plug on failed project Mike Rabelo). The former Moneyball star has proven several things with a full major league season: he can walk, he can hit with runners in scoring position, and he cannot, or rather, will not be allowed to, hit lefties.

    Baker's .349 OBP was 4th on the team among players with at least 100 games played, which should not be a tremendous surprise given he came from the Oakland A's system, who preach OBP above all. What was a surprise was how well he hit with runners in scoring position (.421 OBP, 36 RBI, .878 OPS).

    He also demonstrated an ability to hit all over the order, spending time in the 2-hole and the 8 spot, with no noticeable drop-off in production for either spot (.367 OBP batting 8th compared with a .368 OBP batting 2nd). This kind of versatility is especially important to a National League team as "turning the lineup over," an expression referring to getting the pitcher to hit in the middle of an inning rather than to lead off an inning, is important to team's with as top-heavy a lineup as the Marlins. The home-run power never developed (9 HR's in 2009), but he did hit plenty of doubles, and it appears that Sun Life Stadium was a cause for some of this power shortage as he hit only 3 homers at home to 6 on the road.

    Lastly, Baker logged only 35 at-bats against south-paws, demonstrating that the Marlins would rather let him play only against right-handed starters, and with an in-house option like Ronny Paulino, it's hard to blame them. Still, for Baker to take the next step and become an essential part of the Marlins core going forward, he's going to have to be given the chance to see if he is more than a platoon player.

    Look for Baker's 2010 to be filled with walks, doubles and plenty of productive AB's.

    The Backup: Ronny Paulino has made a 4 year career of just killing left-handed pitching. He continued that in 2009 with a .458 slugging percentage and a .801 OPS against lefties. In 2010, look for the platoon to continue with Paulino getting the bulk of the playing time against lefty starters.

    What could be improved: Defense, defense, defense. Neither Baker nor Paulino showed exceptional catch-and-throw skills behind the plate (Baker threw out 20% of attempted base-stealers and Paulino threw out 30%). Despite Baker's 5 past-balls to Paulino's 3, Baker seemed to be far better at blocking balls in the dirt though both have room for improvement. Still, the catcher's position is very difficult to play and even more difficult to find offensive talent. If their bats continue to thrive (and all signs point to that being the case) defensive short-comings can be overlooked for a strong bat.

    The Final Verdict: Offense seems to be the theme here, and that will be a recurring theme throughout the team. The Baker / Paulino platoon should be incredibly productive, especially compared with other National League catchers. Behind Yadier Molina and Brian McCann, the Marlins might have the best catching situation in the NL.

    3rd Base

    The Starter: Jorge Cantu figures to be the starter at 3rd, but a bad spring from the first base competitors could shift him back to 1st with Wes Helms or possibly rule V pickup Jorge Jiminez taking over as the everyday 3B. Cantu's two seasons with the Marlins were incredibly surprising and productive. He followed up a 29 homer, .808 OPS 2008 with a strong 2009 where he improved his OBP significantly despite battling nagging wrist and hand problems. He has also emerged as a great situational hitter for the team as he thrived with runners in scoring position, knocking in 83 RBI and posting a .440 slugging percentage. Figuring to be the cleanup hitter behind Hanley Ramirez, Cantu should continue to have plenty of chances with runners in scoring position and that should be great news for his 2010 outlooks.

    Cantu has also carved out quite a niche at home, posting significantly better numbers at home than on the road (.848 home OPS to .725 road OPS). While there is nothing wrong with thriving at home, a higher degree of consistency is hoped for, if not expected, from a middle of the lineup hitter.

    The backup: Wes Helms really only factors into the discussion at 3rd base in the event of injury or ineffectiveness. He's one pinch hit away from the Marlins' all-time lead in that category, and he's been a spectacular bench option, and he should remain there. We'll delve deeper into Helms when we preview the bench.

    What could be improved: Defense, defense, defense (sound familiar?). Cantu's not a sieve at 3B, but he's close. Originally a second-baseman with Tampa, the Marlins moved him to 3rd out of necessity in 2008 when trying to find a replacement for Miguel Cabrera. Cantu's bat can play at an infield corner position, but his glove needs tremendous work. Consistency is really a key here. Cantu has been far from a disappointment, but he is prone to stretches of disappearing, and he struggles on the road. He posted a .231 average in August and followed it up with a .337 average for the month of September. When your job is to be Hanley Ramirez' lineup protection, it's important to not disappear for weeks at a time.

    The Final Verdict: Cantu's production cannot be questioned, just his glove. As a 3B option on a budget, it's hard to find better. He's not the ideal cleanup hitter, but he's probably the best in-house option to bat behind Hanley.

    Short-Stop

    The Starter: Hanley Ramirez is not just the best player on the Marlins, but possibly the best player in baseball behind Albert Pujols. His 2010 was remarkable. He won the first batting title in Marlins history with a .342 average and he finished second to Pujols in MVP voting. His 106 RBI led the team, as did his .410 on base-percentage and .543 slugging percentage. Suffice to say, as goes Hanley, so goes the team.

    There is not much to say about Hanley that hasn't been said time and again. People said he was to immature to play at the major league level, yet he wins the MVP award, critics said he couldn't hit in the 3-hole, yet he wins the batting title while driving in 106 runs, critics said he would have to move from the short-stop position because of defensive short-comings so he posts the 3rd highest fielding percentage among National League short-stops while cutting his errors in half from a season before. Quite honestly, all bets are off with Hanley. He could hit .400, he could hit for the cycle and he could hit 4 home-runs in one game. There is no better embodiment of a 5-tool talent now that he's removed all doubt about his ability to play short-stop long term.

    The backup: Emilio Bonifacio figures into the picture only when Hanley needs a day off.

    What could be improved: A year ago, you would have said defense, two years ago, you would have said defense, hitting the outside pitch behind in the count and hitting with runners on, now...I'm not even sure. Maybe you'd like to see a few more homers out of Hanley, maybe you want to see him hit .400. The only area Hanley still does struggle is on challenge fastballs. Pitchers can climb the ladder on him, especially when they're ahead in the count. Maybe he can work on that.

    Final Verdict: The team's best player, the best 5 tool talent in baseball and a perennial MVP candidate. One of the few players in baseball truly worth the price of admission.

    Second Base

    The Starter: Dan Uggla begins a surprising 5th season with the Marlins. I say surprising because, well, not even he expected to be back after trade talk became so loud it seemed he should have been house shopping in San Francisco. The two time all-star 2B finds himself back in Miami as a key cog in a very powerful Marlins lineup. His 31 homers led the team in 2009 and his power production will go a long way towards dictating how competitive the Marlins are in 2010.

    In 2009 he demonstrated an ability to walk at an unexpectedly high rate, and he posted the second highest OBP of his career despite a career low batting average. If he can return to his .260 career average, do not be surprised to see Uggla OBP close to .400 in 2010, and given his prodigious power, that is a scary proposition. You can pencil Uggla in for around 30 homers and 30 doubles.

    The Backup: Emilio Bonifacio is a natural second baseman and could see some time at this position in the event of an injury or trade.

    Needs Improvement: Uggla's defense has always been a sore spot, and his performance in the 2008 All-Star Game hammered that point home on a national stage. Uggla's glove is not as bad as people like to think it is, his range, especially to his left, is his biggest problem, not his ability to make the routine plays.

    The Final Verdict: For the first time in a long time, the Marlins kept a luxury item like Uggla rather than trade him. Keeping him around not only gives the 2010 Marlins a legitimate shot at the post-season, but also buys a tremendous amount of credibility back with front offices around the league. His 30 something homers, 30 something doubles and middle of the lineup presence make Uggla the second most important position player (behind Hanley) for the Marlins' 2010 season.

    First Base

    Going into the spring, the first base job was declared an open battle between prospects Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison. A little under 2 weeks in, we here at First Place Fish are prepared to call that race in favor of Gaby Sanchez. Morrison's had a snake-bitten spring. By all indications, when he hits it hard, it's right at someone. Sanchez also has the added benefit of being in the big leagues in 2008 and 2009, so the Marlins are very much in a "show me" mode with Gaby. The Marlins are rumored to be interested in pursuing former Marlin Mike Lowell, so while it appears that Logan, at least for the time, is out, that is not to assume Gaby is in.

    The Starter: It looks like it's going to be Gaby Sanchez, but we're going to have to hold off on assuming he'll be here for any extended period of time. Long term, the position belongs to Morrison, and even short term, it appears the Marlins are also exploring external options. Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal reported we kicked the tires on Carlos Delgado before his most recent hip surgery, and the Sun-Sentinel is reporting we've had discussions about Mike Lowell. Clearly, Gaby does not have the Marlins front office fully behind him.

    As a pro, Gaby figures to be a doubles hitter as his home-run power never developed in the minors. His glove is also a real cause for concern as the Marlins have floated him around the field before finally settling on him at first-base.

    Beyond that, there's really not much to say about Sanchez other than he'll find a way to hit around 18 homers if he gets 400 AB's and held to the standards of a first-baseman, that's fringe production at best.

    The backup: Wes Helms could get prolonged playing time here if Sanchez struggles, and journey-man Mike Lamb could end up winning the lefty bat off the bench spot which, at least in theory, could make him the true backup.

    The Final Verdict:This position is the most unsettled on the roster, at least in the short-term. Whenever he arrives, Morrison figures to be no less than a 5 year starter for the Marlins, but until that time, the job figures to belong to Sanchez, or an as of yet unidentified player from outside the organization. An end of the spring trade would not be surprising, but I would expect the Marlins to break camp with Sanchez as the starter. In the event of a playoff push, first base is likely the first trade target.
    Again, that's www.firstplacefish.com & of course
    Last edited by Swifty; 03-12-2010, 06:10 PM.

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    and he cannot, or rather, will not be allowed to, hit lefties.
    I think it's safe to say he cannot.

    At this point in his career he has mostly reproduced his minor league split against RHP, .783 OPS MiLB, .814 in the majors.

    In the minors he posted a .689 against LHP, and through 100 MLB PA (admittedly a small sample size), he has put up a .630 while striking out 29 times. The only season in the minors when he was able to hit LHP at all was 2008, when on the strength of a .457 BABIP, he put up a .382 BA in 55 PAs.

    I think it's safe to say at this point he is and is going to be a platoon player, which is fine because catchers don't need to play every day anyways. He's 29, he is what he is, and that is an above average catcher who needs RHB platoon. He'll play 110-120 games a year and all you have to do is pick up a Paulino on the scrap heap to hit LHP and you'll have good production from the C position.
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    • #3
      I'm not saying ride him to a Joe Mauer extreme, but consistency behind the plate is a big plus for our staff. Given that neither guy plays D very well, that's fine, but you can't continue to count on the catching situation to be a two headed monster because if one guy has a down year it then torpedoes the entire position. You might as well see what Baker does if you give him 130 starts instead of around 110, since our catching situation in the minors is pretty barren.

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      • #4
        If we want to win now, our best option is a platoon. They put up a .769 OPS last year combined and we can reasonably expect them to improve on that, given their career norms.

        Baker is 29 and he's got 800 professional games under his belt. He's not going to start hitting LHPers all of a sudden, and he's not a real "long term" option behind the plate, inasmuch as he's not long for this team once they hit the stadium. Whether it's through the minors and Skipworth starting to develop (still at most 3+ years off even if he puts it together) or a FA once we expand payroll, he's not really the long term option.

        John Baker is fantastic as a club controlled, relatively cheap C. But he's not going to develop into an everyday catcher, and to expect him to figure out LHP at the major league level is unrealistic.

        Yeah, consistency is cool for the pitching staff but it's not worth having a black hole in your lineup, and that's what Baker would be against LHP more often than not.
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        • #5
          Does consistency really matter with catchers like Paulino and Baker? I could understand consistency with catchers like Varitek or Pudge in his prime. But Baker isn't exactly a defensive standout compared to Paulino.

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          • #6
            This is a troubling inconsistency. 2010 is about winning now. 2010 is about building for 2011. I don't think it's entirely unfair to want to give Baker a dozen more starts to see if he can hit lefties. It's not as if we're promoting an unknown, we're going to stick with a major league player who showed he can be pretty capable in the batter's box. If he works, great, all of a sudden we've got a player who is elite for his position, if it doesn't, we're not any worse off because we had a platoon player and we're left with a platoon player. I don't see what's so wrong with trying to figure out exactly what we have in him. I do see a problem with letting him prove himself yet not letting him attempt to take that final step. Remember, this is a guy that was waived twice, basically told you'll always be the 39th or 40th guy on the roster and here he is as an above average catcher. Give him the damn chance. Sure, sit him against Johan or whomever, but don't sit him just because the starter is a lefty.
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            Originally posted by Festa View Post
            Does consistency really matter with catchers like Paulino and Baker? I could understand consistency with catchers like Varitek or Pudge in his prime. But Baker isn't exactly a defensive standout compared to Paulino.
            No it doesn't, which is why I conceded as much that since they're negligibly different defensively (I find Baker better, but whatever) it doesn't make a tremendous amount of difference. The key is that if you give Baker the extra starts, maybe he turns into a guy our starters legitimately like throwing to, or you find out he can hit lefties. For me, way too many pluses to be outweighed by any minuses.

            It's basically all based on the theory of "we owe it to ourselves to find out."
            Last edited by Swifty; 03-12-2010, 06:51 PM. Reason: Doublepost Merged

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Festa View Post
              Does consistency really matter with catchers like Paulino and Baker? I could understand consistency with catchers like Varitek or Pudge in his prime. But Baker isn't exactly a defensive standout compared to Paulino.
              Chewie likes this.

              Our catching situation is fantastic. We get a lot of production and they're no Rabelo's on defense either. I think keeping the platoon has worked and will continue to work.

              Our situation all over the infield except 1st is pretty good IMO, Cantu/Hanley/Uggs are all good for driving in a lot of runs. I'm not excited about Gaby, I don't see him ever being a good MLB starter. First base will be fun. I foresee a lot of Wes.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Swift View Post
                No it doesn't, which is why I conceded as much that since they're negligibly different defensively (I find Baker better, but whatever) it doesn't make a tremendous amount of difference. The key is that if you give Baker the extra starts, maybe he turns into a guy our starters legitimately like throwing to, or you find out he can hit lefties. For me, way too many pluses to be outweighed by any minuses.

                It's basically all based on the theory of "we owe it to ourselves to find out."
                Don't we owe it to ourselves to find out if Gaby can play everyday too? But you aren't calling for him to start. I don't see why we owe Baker anything but not Gaby.

                Baker has never, either in the minors or here, shown he can even be acceptable against LHP. I just don't see him doing it at 29. He's had 8 years to show it and he hasn't.

                Yes, not everyone is the same, but most guys don't begin developing new skills at 29. What is there to lose by having him catch a dozen extra games? Technically nothing, so yeah, why not? But it's such a long shot that it's just chasing something that is most likely never going to happen.

                John Baker finished 18th last year in PAs among all catchers. The guys above him either don't have real platoon situations or are good defensively. I think he's absolutely perfect in his niche and there's no reason to sacrifice the sure thing production we have for the exceedingly marginal possibility that Baker starts doing something he's never ever done.
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                • #9
                  The difference is pronounced: Baker's already getting 110 starts, and getting those starts because he's demonstrated he's a merited ML player. Gaby doesn't have any track record of production at the major league level. The question we would be asking of Baker is not "can he succeed at this level" (which we would be asking of Gaby) but rather "can he do better at this level."

                  Additionally, the benefits are different. In giving those extra dozen starts to Baker, you find out if you have a fringe all-star catcher. In trying out Gaby, you find out if you can develop a stop-gap.

                  And also, I never called for Gaby to not start. I'm just not high on his probable production when juxtaposed with 1B expectations.

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                  • #10
                    Except he's never hit left handed pitching at any level. If anything, that is more of an unknown than Gaby. Gaby has hit everywhere he's gone, at least. John Baker has never ever hit left handed pitching at any level except an exceedingly small sample in AAA one year.

                    I don't know what the benefits of Baker starting an extra dozen games are, even if in those dozen games he shows he can hit LHP decently. He has 100 PA against LHP at the major league level, what's the tangible benefit of an extra 55? If 100 PA isn't enough to make an educated decision, 155 isn't either.

                    The fact of the matter is he's never going to hit LHP as well as Paulino. So you are trading known production for the potential that he might show you something he's never ever shown in his life. And even if next year he gets an extra 55 PA against LHP and gets 15 hits, that still doesn't tell you anything because 55 PAs is way too small a sample size.

                    Ronnie Paulino is a known commodity at hitting LHP, you take the sure thing over the possibility of Baker figuring it out. The dozen games you want to see won't tell us enough to override the hundreds of PAs he's had where he's been a failure against LHP.
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                    • #11
                      Very fair analysis. I don't hate all the time.

                      Although I don't think a catcher going down torpedos production. Paulino was "average" .250/.336/.380, last year even if his career splits is lower, so maybe he is growing up. Likewise if Paulino goes down, I don't think it would terrible to let Baker 'try' and hit them, plus Hayes is right handed and plays the supposed superior D so at least there is hope there.

                      But all in all, good primer for people.

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                      • #12
                        The thing about Paulino though is he really did kill lefties last year (.290/.343/.458/.801 OPS) so he's kind of like the Jim Leyland bullpen, great when we want to use him, not so great when we have to.

                        The other thing to keep in mind with Ronny is that I think when he was just used to give Baker a day off, he was terrible. His day line was: .222/.286/.367/.653, which is mostly in Sunday starts AKA the Baker day of rest. That's pretty bad and says to me when we picked Paulino's spots, he was great, and when he was just a pure backup, he was pretty bad.

                        Thanks for the kind words.

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                        • #13
                          And as bad as Paulino was on Baker's off days, that's how bad Baker has been against lefties everywhere he's been.

                          Getting Baker extra starts isn't going to lead to less Paulino on Sundays. It's goingto lead to less Paulino against the pitchers he's actually good against.
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