JJ Contract Extension Watch

[Beef]

And? I said that based on what the article says, it is, in fact, pathetic.

I guess that is fine, but it is just a small blurb by some guy that doesn't have much information.

I'd be pretty surprised if the Marlins came into things and laid down one major thing on the table, saying, WE WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES CONSIDER A FOUR YEAR DEAL WITH YOUR CLIENT.

Sosnick is a dick. To a certain extent, it is his job, but there are better ways to do things and this douche started negotiating through the media really early in the "process" with a club controlled player.

Sosnick on one side a huge dickface and the Marlins on the other side are a huge dickface. I have a hard time believing they reached a legit impasse where the only thing they could really agree on is that Josh Johnson ain't gon be a Marlin any longer than he needs to be.

[LocoMarlinFan]

If this deal didn't happen because the Marlins refused to go past 3 years, then yeah, that's pathetic. But let's see what the organization has to say first (if they're going to comment at all). Sosnick isn't exactly the most trustworthy individual.

Also, if Johnson's not going to agree to an extension, just trade him now while his value's at its peak and hope the pitchers/players acquired in exchange are (1) good and (2) willing to agree to a long term extension if they're good. Approaching them at an earlier time and not low-balling them in terms of years or $ would help.

I totally agree with this.

If he won't sign trade him at peak value right "now". I mean what's the point in trading him one year from now and getting a lesser package?

[Fish and Chips]

Josh's agent really annoys me

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

I totally agree with this.

If he won't sign trade him at peak value right "now". I mean what's the point in trading him one year from now and getting a lesser package?

There's also the possibility that he could get hurt this year which would also reduce his trade value. It'd be better to trade him now if we know for sure that we won't be able to keep him long term.

[Flum]

Not that I'm supporting Sosnick, but I would imagine that he -- as an agent who represents an inordinate amount of Marlins -- must be at wit's end as concerned with dealing this front office.

[emkayseven]

yeah if they definitely are never going to be able to sign him, trade him now or hope he has a big first half and then trade him. his value is actually lower next offseason for all the reasons listed above

[penis34]

If this deal didn't happen because the Marlins refused to go past 3 years, then yeah, that's pathetic. But let's see what the organization has to say first (if they're going to comment at all). Sosnick isn't exactly the most trustworthy individual.

Also, if Johnson's not going to agree to an extension, just trade him now while his value's at its peak and hope the pitchers/players acquired in exchange are (1) good and (2) willing to agree to a long term extension if they're good. Approaching them at an earlier time and not low-balling them in terms of years or $ would help.

I hope they keep his demands in mind, and offer him to the highest bidder as a 4 year player.

Bring in another HanRam!

He's an injury away from being worth nothing. We might not get anything for him when the time comes.

[Fishfan79]

johnson's agent seems to me always more scummy then even boris

[THE_REAL_MIBS]

As far as agent Matt Sosnick is concerned, the Marlins can add Josh Johnson to their list of burgeoning young talents they could not afford to keep long term.
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Discussions this week between the Marlins and Sosnick on a multi-year contract for the club’s No. 1 starter and one of the premier young arms in the game went no where.
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Johnson wanted four guaranteed years. The Marlins would not budge off three with an option. Sosnick warned the Marlins if they didn’t sign his client this offseason, Johnson would elect free agency when eligible after 2011.
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“No one’s getting any kind of a discount now,” said Sosnick, who also represents Ricky Nolasco. “This was the last chance for a team to get a bargain for Josh… They money wasn’t even the issue. It was shocking they wouldn’t do a fourth year. Josh Johnson is going to sign one of the biggest free agent pitching deals in history. If it’s in the National League, he’s just going to come back and keep beating the Marlins.”
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Sosnick said his client was willing to give the Marlins a significant discount in his first two free agent seasons (2012-13). They would have settled for a little more than the four-year, $38.5 million the Royals gave Zack Greinke last offseason.
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The Marlins weren’t in the same zip code, even though the will see a spike in revenues once they move into the new stadium in 2012. Sosnick said President of Baseball Operations Larry Beinfest told him guaranteeing a fourth year was too rich for his blood. A team spokesman said the Marlins do not comment on contract negotiations, adding "We refuse to negotiate through the press."


“The way it was sold was like they were doing us a favor by offering three years,” Sosnick said. “We were willing to discount the free agent years by a lot, both of them.They wouldn’t even talk about [the fourth year]…This is his last year there for sure.”
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So why close the door on a long-term deal when Johnson is under team control for two more seasons? Sosnick said next offseason it would take a seven-year commitment well north of the $100 million mark to retain Johnson.
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“They had a chance to lock him up for four years and they wanted everything their way,” Sosnick said. “The years. The dollars. It was ridiculous.
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“If you’re going to spend your money on somebody how could it not be on Josh Johnson? I told Larry, ‘You have one player on your team outside of Hanley [Ramirez] that’s a sure thing. They’ll trade [Johnson] and get prospects back for him. There are going to be a lot of teams calling in the next couple of days.”

Per Juan Rodriguez. Can't post the link from my phone.
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Sosnick represents Ricky, too? Guess we won't be doing any long term deals for him either.

[lou]

The Marlins are retarded if they do not give Johnson 4/$40-44, which is the going rate.

I'm done if they don't do this one. There are no excuses.

[nny]

I remember the old TOR GM omg why can't I think of his name asked for both Hughes and Joba for Halladay and they said no

You gotta wonder if they'd think about it with JJ though, especially if we give them window to lock him up long term.

I really fucking hope we sign him though

[lou]

It's pretty cool being validated by Sosnick though. Every shred of a statement in this was in my arbitration analysis. Nailed this one.

Except the fact our front office is fucking retarded. 4 years! If he's similar to 2009 for 2 1/2 of them it's a great deal. Jesus christ.

[Fish and Chips]

sosnick is such as prick

[Jewbility]

Great so this guy represents Nolasco too...I was thinking this opens the door for a long term K for Ricky, but probably not.

[emkayseven]

ok, as everyone knows I usually pick on the front office but I don't blame them a bit for not guaranteeing a 4th year

yeah he's already had his big surgery, yeah he's young and yeah he's awesome. but $10-12 million a year is a lot for a team in our market, especially considering we're about to hit hanley's money years. and i'd be fine with it for three years, but pitchers are so touchy with injuries and regression that i agree with the FO's reluctance to go long term with pitchers. i mean, how many of us after 2005 were CLAMORING for a long term contract for d-train? ROY, two time all star, 22 game winner, charming, face of the franchise. and then in 2006 he has a down year but still a pretty solid year. and after that he's never been the same. you just never fucking know with pitchers. greinke, for all his talent and skill, could turn around tomorrow and have that same anxiety shit that made him quit baseball a few years ago and he could pitch like shit again. you never, ever know with pitchers.

with hitters to me it's different, because hitters play every day and they do two things: hit and field. if hanley were to all of a sudden regress to an average shortstop and hit .260/10/60 with 25 steals (making those #s up as i don't know actual average ss numbers), and he played league average defense, this much is true: he's still playing 150 games, and he still has the talent to crank a homer out or steal a base and potentially change a game on one play in each of the 150 games he plays. if jj suddenly regresses to a pitcher with a 4.50 era and 1.40 whip, sure he still has the potential to throw a gem, but he'd need everything to go right for him for the whole game, not just one big moment (ie a home run), and even still, that's just one game out of the 35 he'll pitch out of the 162 that matter.

i don't even really know if that all made sense, it was kind of train of thought, but that's how i feel about it. at least a great hitter who regresses is somewhat useful in that he can still hit okay and can field okay every day for your team. a great pitcher who regresses and pitches okay once every 5 days does nothing for me. and that's why i'm fine with going long term on hitters and not on pitchers.

all i know is, if we do trade him, we're gonna get a fucking boatload.