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Same thing as last year, not 100% sure if it mlb formulas can be applied to minor leaguers like this, blah blah.
recap of stats: FIP, fielding indepentant pitching, takes away anything a fielder influences and just looks at the things a pitcher is soley responsible for (BB, K, and HR). xFIP tries to neutralize the HR aspect, as it's normally not possible to sustain a very low HR/FB or a very high HR/FB (unless you suck).
though new stat this year with tERA which will help show guys with high LD% as frauds. While pitchers aren't soley responsible to a ball after it's put in play, they are responsible for what type of ball is put in play (GB, FB, LD, IFFB), so it assigns weights to those.
wish the old thread was around to see what all happened to the outliers. The three I remember were Kaminiska (hit on him), Correa (hasn't pitched at all this year), and Gaby Hernandez (who still sucks).
anywayz. only doing guys I actually find interesting.
of note
NOLA
Rick Vanden Hurk-
It's the first time since he was a 19 year old in Jupiter in 2004 that he finished with less strike outs than innings pitched. It's also easily the best BB/9 of his career, which led to him post a BB/9 of 3.66 in the show after having a career MLB BB/9 of 5.45, and you take that trade off all the time. Yeah he was probably lucky with HRs but oh well, he countered it by being unlucky in the majors
What's interesting though is, at least at the ML level, he's no throwing more balls within the strike zone. Instead, he's getting more wiffs at balls outside the strike zone. Which you can basically thank that new slider to. It's a very very good thing he throws that pitch now.
Tim Wood-
I'm loving him. I hated him after '08 when he didn't strike anybody out and I was like why are we protecting him but score one FO and no me. And he's performing admirably at the ML level. Yeah, his strike outs aren't too hot up here so far, but I love the control he's shown up here, combined with his ability to get GBs ergo keep down XBH/HR. If the strike outs come, he'll be good. If they don't, he's still serviceable.
Mobley took a big step back on K's, and while FIP still likes him, tRA really doesn't like him, and I'd almost always go with tRA. But looking like MILB journeyman really, which was really just affirmed after the whole Rule V thing last year. Penn was a lot better than I thought, Sink wasn't as bad as his ERA showed by he's still f'n bad. Buente had pretty solid numbers but with a BB/9 of 4.66 I aint that interested.
Jax:
West-At first glance of West's HR/9 you'd say he was unlucky. But he wasn't. His FB% rocketted this season and his GB% plummeted. That seemed to have corrected itself in his second stint in the majors but it's definitely something to monitor
Thompson was pretty damn solid but right now I'd probably say you'd be expecting around a 4.5 ERA so about a #4. Great to have in ones system but far from something that makes or breaks.
The main thing about AA was the BP arms. Parcell and Voss are real real fucking awesome. 60%+ GB rates for both, high K rates for both, great control for both. Voss is especially big since he's a lefty. And Leroux finishing another great campaign. Our NOLA BP next year is gonna be stacked. Those 3, Wood, Tucker, maybe Ceda, Tank. Shit. Now if only NOLA could build a rotation.
JupJup
Winters is seriously looking like a Volstad clone. Sanabia has been getting a lot of dap throughout the season but his numbers overall have been rather meh. Meanwhile, Jose Rosario finally found control and beat him across the board. What's the story on Jose Rose, legit or smoke? Just 23.
And again a ncie showing from BP arms, though not quite AA style. Jhan Marinez is just 20 and jumped from the GCL team to Jupiter. Steven Cishek (23) had a real nice season, Korpi (23) was solid. Kinda old for A+ ball but they're also college draft picks so what can ya do. Battisto is 25 but he was also called up to AA than AAA (takes all the numbers into account but most of his IP were in Jup) so the FO seems to like him. Gunderson's 24 and is the guy we got in the Kensing trade, was called up to NOLA for an appearance.
And while Kris Harvey got a lot of fanfare for turning into a RP, he wasn't the only 24yo former high position player draft pick to turn into an RP this season. Jon Fulton joined him, and in fact pitched better than him.
Greeny's Boro
First name that comes to attention is always gonna be Hand. Gotta love his upside, and he still logged in a solid year after his horrible first month. FIP still absolutely adores Kaminska but tRA not so much. Part of the issues is how many batters he hit (16), which FIP doesn't take into account. That's pretty surprising with the BB/9 he has. HBP doesn't go back to last year so can't say if he has a history of it. Johnny Dorn's 23 so major meh. Graham Johnson was major meh but only 19. Sandy Rosy related to Jose Rose? He's 23 so meh but he's had good peripherals for awhile now, though also not much to go on haha, 40 IP in 06 but just 9 in 07 and 08 what's the story morning glory on that?
To me the biggest name is Tom Koehler. Pretty old at 23 for that level but stellar year. With what Ramp had to say at the start of the year (http://floridamarlinsminors.blogspot...m-koehler.html), combined with his numbers, he's shot way up much charts.
And while Peter Andre had a huuuuge year (don't let his ERA in jupiter make you disbeleive, he still had outstanding peripherals), overall the BP wasn't as impressive as other stops. Despite his ERA Yecker still looks like a decent RP spec, Evans logged in a good year but at 22 he's kinda fringe age. Tood was 24 so yeah meh, Rodolfo's 23 so also kinda eh but damn that is a nice line.
So yeah, same story repeat repeat not much SP but damn we got some BP arms.
Season ending top specs?
For me I'd have SP probably top 10 of
1-Hand
2-Winters
3-Kaminska
4-Koehler
5-Jose Rose
6-Sanabia
7-Graham
8-Sandy Rosy
9-Dorn
10-Dallas
Maybe Elih #9 or #10 instead but shrug. Wanna see what he does in Jax before really forming an opinion on him. I probably have Hand B-, Winters C+ but maybe B-, Kammy to Sanabia or maybe Koehler C+, rest C's.
Nobody in short season ball for me (or recent draft picks), I want to see full season ball performance before forming an opinion. Doesn't mean you have to follow that though.
RP
1. Tucker <- going with upside even though others have outperformed him
2. Voss <-lefty
3. Leroux
4. Parcell
5. Wood
6. Ceda <- would be #1 but with his history of taking horrible care of his body, I don't have much faith he bounces back well from a torn labrum
7.Andre <- to far away to rank above the guy who are basically ready
8.Jennings
9. Marinez
10. Cishek
Gotta love the RP depth man.
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ahh forgot pick one sec
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ok there we go
recap of stats: FIP, fielding indepentant pitching, takes away anything a fielder influences and just looks at the things a pitcher is soley responsible for (BB, K, and HR). xFIP tries to neutralize the HR aspect, as it's normally not possible to sustain a very low HR/FB or a very high HR/FB (unless you suck).
though new stat this year with tERA which will help show guys with high LD% as frauds. While pitchers aren't soley responsible to a ball after it's put in play, they are responsible for what type of ball is put in play (GB, FB, LD, IFFB), so it assigns weights to those.
wish the old thread was around to see what all happened to the outliers. The three I remember were Kaminiska (hit on him), Correa (hasn't pitched at all this year), and Gaby Hernandez (who still sucks).
anywayz. only doing guys I actually find interesting.
of note
NOLA
Rick Vanden Hurk-
It's the first time since he was a 19 year old in Jupiter in 2004 that he finished with less strike outs than innings pitched. It's also easily the best BB/9 of his career, which led to him post a BB/9 of 3.66 in the show after having a career MLB BB/9 of 5.45, and you take that trade off all the time. Yeah he was probably lucky with HRs but oh well, he countered it by being unlucky in the majors
What's interesting though is, at least at the ML level, he's no throwing more balls within the strike zone. Instead, he's getting more wiffs at balls outside the strike zone. Which you can basically thank that new slider to. It's a very very good thing he throws that pitch now.
Tim Wood-
I'm loving him. I hated him after '08 when he didn't strike anybody out and I was like why are we protecting him but score one FO and no me. And he's performing admirably at the ML level. Yeah, his strike outs aren't too hot up here so far, but I love the control he's shown up here, combined with his ability to get GBs ergo keep down XBH/HR. If the strike outs come, he'll be good. If they don't, he's still serviceable.
Mobley took a big step back on K's, and while FIP still likes him, tRA really doesn't like him, and I'd almost always go with tRA. But looking like MILB journeyman really, which was really just affirmed after the whole Rule V thing last year. Penn was a lot better than I thought, Sink wasn't as bad as his ERA showed by he's still f'n bad. Buente had pretty solid numbers but with a BB/9 of 4.66 I aint that interested.
Jax:
West-At first glance of West's HR/9 you'd say he was unlucky. But he wasn't. His FB% rocketted this season and his GB% plummeted. That seemed to have corrected itself in his second stint in the majors but it's definitely something to monitor
Thompson was pretty damn solid but right now I'd probably say you'd be expecting around a 4.5 ERA so about a #4. Great to have in ones system but far from something that makes or breaks.
The main thing about AA was the BP arms. Parcell and Voss are real real fucking awesome. 60%+ GB rates for both, high K rates for both, great control for both. Voss is especially big since he's a lefty. And Leroux finishing another great campaign. Our NOLA BP next year is gonna be stacked. Those 3, Wood, Tucker, maybe Ceda, Tank. Shit. Now if only NOLA could build a rotation.
JupJup
Winters is seriously looking like a Volstad clone. Sanabia has been getting a lot of dap throughout the season but his numbers overall have been rather meh. Meanwhile, Jose Rosario finally found control and beat him across the board. What's the story on Jose Rose, legit or smoke? Just 23.
And again a ncie showing from BP arms, though not quite AA style. Jhan Marinez is just 20 and jumped from the GCL team to Jupiter. Steven Cishek (23) had a real nice season, Korpi (23) was solid. Kinda old for A+ ball but they're also college draft picks so what can ya do. Battisto is 25 but he was also called up to AA than AAA (takes all the numbers into account but most of his IP were in Jup) so the FO seems to like him. Gunderson's 24 and is the guy we got in the Kensing trade, was called up to NOLA for an appearance.
And while Kris Harvey got a lot of fanfare for turning into a RP, he wasn't the only 24yo former high position player draft pick to turn into an RP this season. Jon Fulton joined him, and in fact pitched better than him.
Greeny's Boro
First name that comes to attention is always gonna be Hand. Gotta love his upside, and he still logged in a solid year after his horrible first month. FIP still absolutely adores Kaminska but tRA not so much. Part of the issues is how many batters he hit (16), which FIP doesn't take into account. That's pretty surprising with the BB/9 he has. HBP doesn't go back to last year so can't say if he has a history of it. Johnny Dorn's 23 so major meh. Graham Johnson was major meh but only 19. Sandy Rosy related to Jose Rose? He's 23 so meh but he's had good peripherals for awhile now, though also not much to go on haha, 40 IP in 06 but just 9 in 07 and 08 what's the story morning glory on that?
To me the biggest name is Tom Koehler. Pretty old at 23 for that level but stellar year. With what Ramp had to say at the start of the year (http://floridamarlinsminors.blogspot...m-koehler.html), combined with his numbers, he's shot way up much charts.
And while Peter Andre had a huuuuge year (don't let his ERA in jupiter make you disbeleive, he still had outstanding peripherals), overall the BP wasn't as impressive as other stops. Despite his ERA Yecker still looks like a decent RP spec, Evans logged in a good year but at 22 he's kinda fringe age. Tood was 24 so yeah meh, Rodolfo's 23 so also kinda eh but damn that is a nice line.
So yeah, same story repeat repeat not much SP but damn we got some BP arms.
Season ending top specs?
For me I'd have SP probably top 10 of
1-Hand
2-Winters
3-Kaminska
4-Koehler
5-Jose Rose
6-Sanabia
7-Graham
8-Sandy Rosy
9-Dorn
10-Dallas
Maybe Elih #9 or #10 instead but shrug. Wanna see what he does in Jax before really forming an opinion on him. I probably have Hand B-, Winters C+ but maybe B-, Kammy to Sanabia or maybe Koehler C+, rest C's.
Nobody in short season ball for me (or recent draft picks), I want to see full season ball performance before forming an opinion. Doesn't mean you have to follow that though.
RP
1. Tucker <- going with upside even though others have outperformed him
2. Voss <-lefty
3. Leroux
4. Parcell
5. Wood
6. Ceda <- would be #1 but with his history of taking horrible care of his body, I don't have much faith he bounces back well from a torn labrum
7.Andre <- to far away to rank above the guy who are basically ready
8.Jennings
9. Marinez
10. Cishek
Gotta love the RP depth man.
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ahh forgot pick one sec
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ok there we go
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