Baseball America 2013 Marlins Top 10 Prospects

[Miamarlin21]

Here it is:

1. Jose Fernandez, RHP
2. Christian Yelich, OF
3. Andrew Heaney, LHP
4. Jake Marisnick, OF
5. Marcell Ozuna, OF
6. Justin Nicolino, LHP
7. Adeiny Hechavarria, SS
8. Jose Urena, RHP
9. J.T. Realmuto, C
10. Adam Conley, LHP

Best Tools:
Best Hitter for Average- Christian Yelich
Best Power Hitter- Marcell Ozuna
Best Strike Zone Discipline- Jake Smolinski
Fastet Baserunner- Kevin Mattison
Best Athlete- Jake Marisnick
Best Fastball- Jose Fernandez
Best Curveball-Jose Fernandez
Best Slider- Andrew Heaney
Best Changeup- Justin Nicolino
Beset Control- Justin Nicolino
Best Defensive Catcher- JT Realmuto
Best Defensive Infielder- Adeiny Hechavarria
Best Infield Arm- Yordy Cabrera
Best Defensive outfielder- Jake Marisinick
Best Outfield Am-Marcell Ozuna

Project 2016 Lineup

Catcher- JT Realmuto
First Base- Logan Morrison
Second Base- Avery Romero
Third Base- Derek Dietrich
Shortstop- Adeiny Hechavarria
Left Field- Christian Yelich
Center Field- Jake Marisnick
Right Field- Giancarlo Stanton
No. 1 Starter- Jose Fernandez
No. 2 Stater- Andrew Heaney
No. 3 Starter- Justin Nicolino
No. 4 Starter- Nathan Eovaldi
No. 5 Starter- Jacob Turner
Closer- A.J. Ramos

[lou]

Assuming Brantly is also still on the team, Cishek is still closing despite the hilarious Ramos projection, Ruggiano is the 4th OF, Dunn is still in the pen, Cox is on the bench, and the bullpen is made up of guys like Conley, Ramos, Dayton, Lowell, etc as club controlled or barely making money...

payroll is roughly $60 million. 25-30% of that is Stanton, Morrison and Cishek are each 10-12% of that, meaning those 3 are almost half of payroll, and throw in Ruggiano in an arb 3 year, that's half of payroll for 4 guys.
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Nice projection for Heaney though. He and Nicolino could be a pretty cool lefty core. They are eventually going to have to trade pitchers and outfielders for infielders (plus probably sign others), but all good besides that.

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Project 2016 Lineup
Right Field- Giancarlo Stanton

Yeah, OK.

[Miamarlin21]

Yeah, OK.

That's now how you spell Marcell Ozuna.

[Erick]

Assuming Brantly is also still on the team, Cishek is still closing despite the hilarious Ramos projection, Ruggiano is the 4th OF, Dunn is still in the pen, Cox is on the bench, and the bullpen is made up of guys like Conley, Ramos, Dayton, Lowell, etc as club controlled or barely making money...

payroll is roughly $60 million. 25-30% of that is Stanton, Morrison and Cishek are each 10-12% of that, meaning those 3 are almost half of payroll, and throw in Ruggiano in an arb 3 year, that's half of payroll for 4 guys.
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Nice projection for Heaney though. He and Nicolino could be a pretty cool lefty core. They are eventually going to have to trade pitchers and outfielders for infielders (plus probably sign others), but all good besides that.

How long do you think Cishek stays here?
Just asking because the team is not good; if he's pitching well and racking up saves for four months, he should probably be trade bait, right?

[Bobbob1313]

According to Cot's, He's not a free agent until 2018.

So I would not trade him.

[Erick]

That only makes him more valuable to other teams though if he pitches well.
We could probably get a couple of nice young players for him if he pitches well for a third consecutive year, and is boosting his saves total in the process.

At this point, I think the team just needs to acquire potential assets, and hope they turn into something.

[lou]

According to Cot's, He's not a free agent until 2018.

So I would not trade him.

I think what Erick is saying is, Cishek is going to be a $6 million dollar pitcher in 2015 (he is a very likely Super2 next year which will multiply his arbitration fast) if he keeps getting saves, and even more in 2016-2017 in his final two years of arbitration. As we know, Erick is in the "why pay any reliever for saves" camp, so the question isn't about the 5 years of control Cishek has, but his expected value moving forward based on what he will be making (like a Chris Perez) in the future.

If he isn't a "long term" piece because he prices himself off the team in 3 seasons, when is the smartest time to trade him for maximum value so another franchise gets some of the cheap (2013-2015) years before he might price himself into a significant ($8-12) annual expenditure where the Marlins just kind of have to 'dump' him for payroll reasons.
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How long do you think Cishek stays here?
Just asking because the team is not good; if he's pitching well and racking up saves for four months, he should probably be trade bait, right?

I'd imagine they would start entertaining him for a trade summer 2014. They need another year and a half of evaluation on:

Fernandez, Turner, Nicolino, Heaney, Alvarez/Eovaldi
Next: (no order) Alvarez/Eovaldi, Ramos, Conley, Dayton, Urena, Hope, Brice, Lowell, Webb, Dunn, Koehler, Ceda, Caminero, Reed, Flynn, C. James, Jennings, Olmos

Plus likely more pitching with a lot of 2013 draft picks, and likely great 2014 draft picks, plus absolutely no money on the book. And who knows if they do move Stanton for more pitching.

He might just become expendable. But I don't think there is any timetable or thought of moving him now. If all the pitching works out, then I think this becomes a real topic. But it's way to early. A lot is going to happen next 18 months with all these guys.
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Also, need to see if he does qualify for Super 2. If he doesn't he becomes significantly cheaper so even racking up "saves" wouldn't kill the franchise payroll wise.

It's just a wait and see thing. See if the other pitchers can realistically replace him, see if he qualifies for Super 2, and see if Cishek holds up. This will take care of itself with time. It's just premature unless Cishek can be turned into something daffy like Mike Olt which really isn't a possibility.

[HUGG]

Here's their top 30 with their ceiling and risk grades

1. Jose Fernandez, rhp     70 Medium
2. Christian Yelich, of    65 Medium
3. Andrew Heaney, lhp      60 Medium
4. Jake Marisnick, of      60 High
5. Marcell Ozuna, of       60 High
6. Justin Nicolino, lhp    55 Medium
7. Adeiny Hechavarria, ss  50 Medium
8. Jose Urena, rhp         55 High
9. J.T. Realmuto, c        50 High
10. Adam Conley, lhp       50 High
11. Rob Brantly, c         45 Medium
12. Derek Dietrich, ss/2b  50 High
13. Alfredo Silverio, of   55 Extreme
14. A.J. Ramos, rhp        45 Medium
15. Zack Cox, 3b           50 High
16. Austin Brice, rhp      50 High
17. Avery Romero, 3b/2b    50 High
18. Kolby Copeland, of     50 High
19. Austin Dean, of        50 High
20. Jesus Solorzano, of    50 High
21. Chris Hatcher, rhp     45 Medium
22. Raudel Lazo, lhp       45 Medium
23. Jake Esch, rhp         50 Extreme
24. Brian Flynn, lhp       45 High
25. Grant Dayton, lhp      45 Medium
26. Chad James, lhp        50 Extreme
27. Jose Ceda, rhp         45 High
28. Danny Black, ss        45 High
29. Austin Barnes, 2b/c    45 High
30. Brent Keys, of         45 High

75-80: Franchise hitter/#1 starter
65-70: Perennial all-star/#2 starter
55-60: 1st division regulars/#3 starter/elite closer
50: 2nd division regular w higher peak/8th inning reliever/4th starter on playoff team
45: Platoon or utility player/back-end starter/middle reliever
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The system ranks 5th behind St. Louis, Seattle, Texas and Tampa Bay

[Miamarlin21]

Kinda surprised that they have Brantley's potential so low.

[Mainge]

He's been ehh in the minors. I think a lot of Marlins fans are overrating him.

[Ramp]

yea, I wouldn't have suggested him anywhere other than 50

[Erick]

He's been ehh in the minors. I think a lot of Marlins fans are overrating him.

As I said the other day in the Keith Law thread, Marlins fans, in general, seem to think higher of him than most.

He doesn't seem to project to have much upside, really.