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    Was looking at a Pirates site and they got some good info on guys available,these are a few that caught my eye.(Note they did also include John Raynor and Graham Taylor as guys teams could love-Raynor as 25th man who can run and play the OF and Taylor as an older arm who can eat innings and get grounders HAHA)

    Shelby could be a nice UT guy-OF,SS,2B
    Peguero just as a big young bat
    Osuna and Snyder as LOOGY


    John Shelby, CF, CWS

    Shelby entered the 2009 season as the tenth best prospect in the Chicago White Sox farm system, according to Baseball America. He made the jump from high-A to AA at the age of 23, and struggled in that jump. Shelby hit for a .295/.331/.510 line in 447 at-bats in high-A in 2008, with 15 homers and 33 stolen bases. He hit for a .243/.323/.402 line in 428 AA at-bats, with 10 homers and 30 steals.

    The numbers shouldn't be taken too seriously though. The Southern League is one of the biggest pitcher friendly leagues in the upper levels of the minors, and Birmingham, where Shelby played, is a big pitcher's park. Shelby has plus speed and some good power for a center fielder. He had 33 steals in 2008, despite hamstring issues. He could add more speed, but needs to improve his on-base percentage and cut back on the strikeouts to be totally effective.

    Shelby also has played second base and shortstop in his career, along with the corner outfield positions, potentially making it easier for him to stick on a major league roster all season.


    Carlos Peguero, LF, SEA

    Peguero was the 11th best prospect in the Seattle Mariners' farm system at the start of the 2009 season. Despite hitting for a .299/.317/.480 line with 12 homers in 371 at-bats in high-A in 2008, Peguero repeated the level in the 2009 season. Peguero hit for a .271/.335/.560 line in 491 at-bats in high-A during the 2009 season, with an impressive 31 homers. The 31 homers came in the hitter friendly California League, although Peguero does project as a future power hitter.

    There are three drawbacks with Peguero. First, he has some atrocious plate patience, with an astonishing 172 strikeouts in 491 at-bats this year. He also is a corner outfielder with an average arm and poor range, which normally makes him a left fielder, but doesn't work well with PNC Park's big left field. Then there's the obvious fact that he hasn't played above high-A. Still, Peguero has a lot of power potential, thanks to his 6' 5", 210 pound frame, and turns 23 next year, making him young enough to see that power develop. The Pirates don't exactly have an abundance of power hitters, making Peguero an interesting gamble.



    Edgar Osuna, LHP, ATL

    Osuna was the number 17 prospect in the Atlanta Braves system heading in to the 2009 season, according to Baseball America. He spent the season between high-A and AA at the age of 21, combining for a 4.02 ERA, with a 6.3 K/9, and a 2.1 BB/9 ratio. Osuna only has a mid-80s fastball, but has a plus curveball, and the best changeup in Atlanta's farm system.

    Osuna was about even against left handers and right handers in AA this year, with a .259 BAA versus both sides of the plate. The Pirates prefer someone who can get batters out on both sides of the plate, and Osuna fits that profile. Osuna pitched as a starter this year, so you'd have to assume his numbers would improve when he only has to focus on one inning. Osuna has a career FIP of 2.24 as a reliever in the minors, compared to a 3.56 FIP as a starter.


    Ben Snyder, LHP, SF

    Snyder had primarily been a starter in San Francisco's farm system heading in to the 2009 season. In 2009 he spent his second year at the AA level, after splitting time between high-A and AA in 2008. Snyder made just five starts in his 34 appearances in 2009, and really improved his numbers, going from a 5.98 ERA in 2008 as a starter, to a 2.88 ERA in 2009 as a reliever. Snyder also saw an increase in his strikeout ratio from 6.4 to 8.0 K/9, and a reduction in his home run ratio from 1.3 to 0.4 HR/9.

    Synder was excellent against left handers this year, with a .178 BAA. He didn't have as much success against right handers, with a .289 BAA, so he's more of a LOOGY option at this point. Snyder is a Noah Lowry type pitcher, with a high 80s fastball, a curve, a slider, and a change, all solid pitches. Snyder could make a strong LOOGY, although the Pirates probably will elect to go with a guy who can get batters out on both sides of the plate with the number two pick.
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    A few more names(From Texas website)



    RHP Aneury Rodriguez (Rays)
    21 years old, 6' 3", 180 lb.

    ● Durable pitcher who has moved through the minors at a rate of one level per year while being young for each league including this year when he pitched in AA at the age of 21. Rodriguez has combined good control with above-average strikeout rates. He posted the best batting average against (.231) of his career in 2009. His relatively high fly ball and corresponding homerun rates are a concern.

    ● Rodriguez has excellent command of a 92-94 mph fastball. His curveball could develop into an out pitch and his change-up projects as major league average.

    ● Rodriguez has only pitched as a starter in his professional career. It is possible that his stuff will be more effective if he is used in 1-2 inning stints as a reliever.

    ● Given his age, fastball velocity, and control, Rodriguez is perhaps the most intriguing player available in the Rule 5 draft. He could potentially develop into a major league starting pitcher, though it is unlikely that he could be more than a league-average reliever in 2010.





    RHP Will Inman (Padres)
    22 years old, 6' 0" 200 lb.


    ● Prior to the 2007 season, Baseball America ranked Inman as the 91st-best prospect in baseball. They rated him the seventh-best prospect in the Padres system prior to 2008 and had the following to say: "While not overpowering, Inman controls his average fastball for strikes to any part of the zone. At his best, he pitches at 88-93 mph with a solid-average curveball and average changeup -- though the quality of his secondary stuff varies wildly from start to start. Inman added shape to his curveball this season, as it had previously resembled a slurve, and worked to incorporate more change-ups to his sequences. He's a fierce competitor who works ahead in the count and understands how to set up hitters." (Matt Eddy, Baseball America)

    ● Inman got his first taste of AAA in 2009 and he didn't like it (6.71 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, 5.9 K/9, and 3.6 BB/9 in 63 innings). He's been fly ball-prone throughout his professional career, which is creating problems against the more mature hitters in the upper minors.

    ● Inman has been a starter throughout his professional career, but a switch to the bullpen seems to be in his future. He's been better in the early innings (3.68 FIP and .210 BAA in the first and second innings) than in the later innings (4.56 FIP and .250 BAA in the third and fourth innings). He could probably boost the velocity on his pitches by a couple of miles per hour as a reliever and allow his competitiveness to flourish. His unorthodox delivery (see video) might also play well in shorter stints.
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    We also seem to have the most talked about pitcher right now

    Arquimdes Caminero

    BA had him as 1 of Top 20 guys and alot of talk of Washington is interested in him.

    John Raynor is also a good candidate to be picked
    Last edited by tjfla; 12-03-2009, 11:39 AM. Reason: Doublepost Merged

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    Arquimedes Caminero (Marlins)

    Caminero has one of the best arms available with premium arm strength, producing fastballs in the 95-98 mph range with explosive life up in the strike zone. Caminero's slider was a second plus pitch at times, with mid-80s velocity and inconsistent depth. He has issues holding runners, but the biggest issue is that he's pitched parts of two seasons in the U.S. after two years in the Rookie-level Dominican Summer League, and the 22-year-old still has made just 13 appearances out of short-season ball.
    BA

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    • #3
      If Yankees don't trade the top Rule 5 draft pick acquired in Bruney deal, they are leaning toward flamethrowing Arquimedes Caminero.
      http://twitter.com/stevehenson333/status/6499747426

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      • #4
        That would be quite a level jump.

        He's pitched 17 innings above Jamestown, and given up 17 ER.

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        • #5
          That is the Rule 5 Chatter than Caminero will be the #1 pick but said to be a team is willing to pay cash for the pick to take him

          I doubt the Yankees take him for themselves especially when August comes around and they need a bullpen arm and he is just sitting there. More than likely someone will offer NY cash and they will trade him and get some cash.

          They can always use $500,000 to sign International FA,I just hope that we can afford the $25,000 it costs to get him back. Loria might see a painting in Switzerland he has to have instead

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          • #6
            Both NY teams certainly need $100k in cash to help pay their teams.

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            • #7
              Rule 5 buzz is low, but hearing lately that #Yankees will keep the top pick and that maybe #Marlins OF John Raynor will be the selection
              http://twitter.com/JonathanMayoB3

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              • #8
                lolwut

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                • #9
                  We'll have him by May 1st.

                  Only question is, would we want to pay $25,000 or whatever to get him back? Probably nawt. lolz.

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                  • #10
                    Better question is do we have $25,000 to get him back

                    I say bye Raynor I would like to keep/get back Caminero tho

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                    • #11
                      INDIANAPOLIS—Baseball is the only draft of amateur talent where teams are not allowed to trade draft picks. I’ve never been an advocate of trading picks—after all, sports such as basketball and football don’t trade minor leaguers, since they don’t have any. Prospect deals in baseball are the equivalent of draft-pick deals in other sports.

                      But this week’s Rule 5 draft gives teams a chance to trade draft picks, sort of. The slots can’t be traded, but this week has brought a slew of trades including players to be named, and most if not all are tied to the Rule 5.

                      The Nationals have the top slot in the Rule 5, and have agreed to trade the player they pick to the Yankees as the player to be named in the Brian Bruney. A Yankees front-office official denied a rumor that New York will use the pick on Zack Kroenke, the lefthander who posted a 1.99 ERA for New York’s Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre affiliate. ("Not going to do that" was the official’s actual reply.)

                      Still, the Yankees are likely to take a lefty reliever after trading Phil Coke in the three-team Curtis Granderson trade. Mike Dunn, Damaso Marte and Wilkins de la Rosa are the only lefty relievers on the Yankees’ current 40-man roster, so some competition for Dunn and de la Rosa for the second slot makes sense. Kroenke is one of the top lefties available in the Rule 5, which is why the rumor got started, but more likely the Yankees will wind up with someone such as Reds lefty Ben Jukich or perhaps Giants lefty Ben Snyder.

                      At least two other picks are likely to be dealt—the Orioles owe the Rangers a player to be named in the Kevin Millwood trade, and the Astros owe the Marlins a player to be named in the Matt Lindstrom deal. It’s also possible the Rays’ pick could go to the Indians, as the two clubs have not announced the player to be named in last week’s Kelly Shoppach trade.

                      A few other names have come up today, most of them names we’ve written about previously. A Marlins official was worried the club could lost both righthander Arquimedes Caminares—also rumored to be a Yankees target with the top pick—and outfielder John Raynor. We broke down Caminares in our first preview here, where we also mentioned Raynor. It’s worth elaborating that Raynor posted just a .687 OPS at Triple-A New Orleans, with 19 stolen bases, after posting an .890 OPS with 48 steals in 2008 at Double-A Carolina. Still, Raynor has top-shelf speed and experience at upper levels, with a chance for some upside.

                      Some late word was that the Marlins wanted Caminares back so badly that their deal with the Astros to get a player to be named was conditional—if Caminares is there at No. 8, where the Astros select, then Houston will pick him and send him back to Florida. If Caminares is gone, the Astros can keep the pick.


                      "The only thing for sure," one pro scout said, "is that there will be plenty of surprises in the Rule 5."

                      A couple of other names that have popped up:

                      • Righthander Tim Gustafson is one of the few legitimate starting pitching options available. The former Georgia Tech righty threw well in the Mexican Pacific League, going 5-1, 2.93, though he walked 22 in 55 innings. Gustafson, currently a Braves farmhand, has a fairly typical repertoire with a fastball, slider and changeup, with his low-90s fastball and slider both grading out as average.

                      • Righty Aneury Rodriguez of the Rays also falls into the category of available starter who could be stashed as a reliever. The former Rockies farmhand (he went to Tampa in the Jason Hammel trade) turns 22 on Sunday and went 9-11, 4.50 at Double-A Montgomery in 2009, with 111 strikeouts and 59 walks in 142 innings. Rodriguez improved his fastball command over the course of the season and also has a conventional repertoire of a fastball, curveball and changeup. His curveball has above-average potential.

                      • The Rule 5’s raw order:

                      1. Nationals. 2. Pirates. 3. Orioles. 4. Royals. 5. Indians. 6. Diamondbacks. 7. Mets. 8. Astros. 9. Padres. 10. Athletics. 11. Blue Jays. 12. Reds. 13. White Sox. 14. Brewers. 15. Cubs. 16. Rays. 17. Mariners. 18. Tigers. 19. Braves. 20. Twins. 21. Rangers. 22. Marlins. 23. Giants. 24. Cardinals. 25. Rockies. 26. Phillies. 27. Dodgers. 28. Red Sox. 29. Angels. 30. Yankees.
                      http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/...7324#more-7324

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                      • #12
                        Pirates took John Raynor
                        "You owe it to yourself to find your own unorthodox way of succeeding, or sometimes, just surviving."
                        - Michael Johnson


                        J.T. Realmuto .282/.351/.412

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                        • #13
                          Took Anillins Martinez in Minor League Part

                          http://www.baseballamerica.com/stati...s/?pl_id=83489

                          We LOST Andrew Jenkins to Texas

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