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**Mainge** · 11-01-2009, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by ducks34 View Post

QFT.
And BobBob, why didn't you read the rest of the post. You have the debate skills of a convict. Don't attack the issue, attack the person. Great job.

Here is is again--On a side thought, I agree with Mbaa, the cap should be firm--with no grey area. You work with what you have, and if you can't make it work, trade to get under.

Just the way I see it. It is a advantage to work with 5 million more in cap. 5 Million in this league will make a big difference with such a low cap number.

I knew the rule, and I still made decisions to get under the cap. The point is you didn't. Its almost like your playing with house money at the casino.

So Bobbob choosing to act upon the already established rule and you completely ignoring it = Bobbob is cheater?

**Beef** · 11-01-2009, 07:33 PM

I was playing basketball and there were two seconds left and my team was losing by 3, I knew the rules and that if I shot behind some line and scored it would count as three points, but I took a two point shot and made it. We should take away all the three point shots the other team scored during the game. I'd win!

**Bobbob1313** · 11-01-2009, 07:36 PM

Also, we're still talking about 6% of your cap being fluid. This isn't a big deal.

**nny** · 11-01-2009, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by BeefWillingham View Post

I was playing basketball and there were two seconds left and my team was losing by 3, I knew the rules and that if I shot behind some line and scored it would count as three points, but I took a two point shot and made it. We should take away all the three point shots the other team scored during the game. I'd win!

Ohh. Thank you for proving MBA's point again!

**Bobbob1313** · 11-01-2009, 07:40 PM

We can put it to a vote, but ultimately I don't think we're going to be changing this rule.
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Also, why isn't anyone bitching about how unfair it is that you can give guys special contracts and all that. Isn't this essentially the same thing?

**pdub858** · 11-01-2009, 07:44 PM

Holy balls this is a pointless argument. Maybe you guys should have brought this up before we started when the rules were being hashed out, not after someone uses the rule and you don't like it. You cant make progress in a league like that.

**THE_REAL_MIBS** · 11-01-2009, 07:58 PM

Okay, in my defense, I must have missed the part about being able to add to the cap or I did not understand because, if I had known about this, I would have brought this up at the time. I did not know that this is what was meant by "cash considerations" until this thread came out and I asked what it meant or I would have said something or objected to the trade. Is that my fault, yes I'll admit that. I don't follow the NBA much and really don't follow how NBA and NFL teams manage their finances and really didn't know that they could do this. To me, a flat, firm salary cap is much simpler, easier to understand and reduces the risk of cheating but apparently in the minority of owners who think this.

**PitchingWinsGames** · 11-01-2009, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Festa View Post

I like this idea of trading excess cap space. It will help the bad teams with low payrolls build faster by giving them another tool for acquiring talent.

Festa, I might actually love you for this...

That's the entire point, if someone wants to use it to get Greg Maddux over a John Koronka for a year, more power to them.

I really REALLY wish people would stop acting as if bobbob didn't give up anything to get the 5m. It's a calculated risk... 3 years of Michael Brantley will cost slightly over 1M dollars... if/when Brantley fills out, that's a ~360+ OBP OFer with good defense, for 3 years, for a total of 1M dollars.

Bobbob traded that player for ONE year of flexibility. Down the road, people will be looking to make playoff pushes and it'll be fun, but they'll need that one player who'd bring them over the cap... instead of no moves happening... the Columbus Crappy Teams get a prospect/draft pick in exchange for giving the Pensacola Playoff Teams the financial flexibility to trade for Ugueth Urbina for the stretch run.

Pretend Michael Brantley had a 5M contract, does that make it different?
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Originally posted by mbaamin08 View Post

To me, a flat, firm salary cap is much simpler, easier to understand and reduces the risk of cheating but apparently in the minority of owners who think this.

First things first, the discussion is cool in general, so I mean it's good to discuss the possibilities...

But, the thing is, cheating would happen with or without this. Think about it, if (in your scenario from earlier) a team in rebuilding is colluding with a team with good vets... they don't need the money thing to help each other. They can trade draft picks too. Cheating is cheating, it can be done any which way... but the issue at hand here, is that the payroll flexibility, especially in this specific instance, is extremely far from cheating. A sacrifice had to be made for additional resources...

**Mainge** · 11-01-2009, 08:11 PM

All I know is that shits gon hit the fan when Maddux pitches a perfect game 7 in the World Series to beat MBA's team.

**Party** · 11-01-2009, 08:12 PM

How is this going to promote cheating MBA?

Trading can be used to cheat too.
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Originally posted by Sandroimbuto

Who put the tags on this thread? Is "it's" seriously a tag? Fucking tards.

I'm glad I can click on "won't" and get all the similar threads.

Relax the forum does it automatically.

**CrimsonCane** · 11-01-2009, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by ducks34 View Post

QFT.
And BobBob, why didn't you read the rest of the post. You have the debate skills of a convict. Don't attack the issue, attack the person. Great job.

Here is is again--On a side thought, I agree with Mbaa, the cap should be firm--with no grey area. You work with what you have, and if you can't make it work, trade to get under.

Just the way I see it. It is a advantage to work with 5 million more in cap. 5 Million in this league will make a big difference with such a low cap number.

I knew the rule, and I still made decisions to get under the cap. The point is you didn't. Its almost like your playing with house money at the casino.

IF IT'S SUCH AN ADVANTAGE AND YOU KNEW THE RULE, THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU STRUCTURE YOUR TEAM IN A SIMILAR FASHION YOU STUPID FUCK?!?!?!? JESUS, WHAT IS THE BIG FUCKING DEAL???

**THE_REAL_MIBS** · 11-01-2009, 08:19 PM

It allows for collusion between two teams so one team can field a better team in exchange for helping the other team do that later. If you know that you don't have to worry about your payroll because you've got a buddy who will give you $5 million so you can sign or trade for a couple high priced, high talent guys that may be on other teams, how is that not cheating? You get the cap space first and then go trade with other teams to get the players to make the push. There's too many ways to cheat with the extra room and it allows for disparity in the league with a team with potentially an $80 million payroll while everyone else is under $75.

**Bobbob1313** · 11-01-2009, 08:29 PM

It's a 6% increase. You're acting as if it's going to mean everyone who does it gets a free Albert Pujols. it's the difference between a 4.5 ERA and a 5 ERA. It's a difference, yes. Not a huge one though.

And you can't have collusion with the ability to trade draft picks? If two people want to cheat they will.

**nny** · 11-01-2009, 08:32 PM

lol this thing is so stupid that even CC is getting angry

**DColts** · 11-01-2009, 08:33 PM

Yes I agree. This shouldn't even be an issue.

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