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    From New Times, so yeah, it's biased, but I thought it was decent enough to post.

    It's the bottom of the ninth, and as usual the Marlins are about to lose. Atlanta closer Craig Kimbrel zips a fastball past a befuddled Miami hitter, notching another strike on the way to a 3-0 Braves shutout.

    Just outside the center-field bathrooms, Steve Corbin clutches a Jose Reyes bobblehead to his chest, squints at the field, and shakes his head in disgust. The bald fan in a Marlins T-shirt has rooted for the Fish since the team opened up shop in Miami Gardens in 1993. This year, he's had time to see a dozen games at the team's gleaming new Little Havana stadium.

    "The ballpark is great," Corbin says. Then he sighs heavily. "I just wish they hadn't completely screwed over taxpayers to build this thing."

    Before the park opened, Miami New Times counted down the six biggest lies the team's owners told to sell what we predicted would be the "worst deal for taxpayers of any stadium in America." Those falsehoods included absurd promises that the stadium would revitalize Little Havana, bogus pledges that fans would flock to games, and laughable claims that the Marlins would go bankrupt without the deal.

    Now, as the team's first season on NW Sixth Street draws to a close this week, it's time to look back and confidently declare: This stadium has been a fiasco for the ages.

    From dismal attendance to terrible baseball to none of the promised business impact on its struggling neighborhood, Marlins Park has tanked worse than chubby closer Heath Bell huffing and puffing through another blown save.

    "The stadium has done nothing for the City of Miami," Little Havana activist Yvonne Bayona says. "Their promises were lies. This deal wasn't to benefit us; it was to benefit the team's owners."

    Let's walk through the numbers that prove Marlins Park is South Florida's scam of the century:

    Zero: Stadium revenue the Miami Marlins shared with Dade taxpayers — you know, the chumps who chipped in more than 70 percent of the $515 million cost to build the damn thing. Instead of revenue sharing, Miami-Dade County has gotten a measly $2.3 million in rent, plus $40,000 toward building some new youth fields. The city — which floated $100 million in bonds — gets a whopping $10 per parking space at the team's garages plus $25,000 toward new parks.

    One: Sellouts the team managed all year in its palacio de béisbol. The lone full house came opening night with the reigning World Series champs, the St. Louis Cardinals, in town. Jets boomed overhead and former boxer Muhammad Ali shakily threw out the first pitch.

    12: Of 16 National League teams, that's where the Marlins ranked in attendance. Team owner Jeffrey Loria promised that a retractable roof, air conditioning, and a home-run sculpture fit for a Timothy Leary class at Harvard would lure spectators in droves, yet the Fish are outdrawing only perennial dogs Pittsburgh, Arizona, and San Diego and the 100-plus-loss, historically bad Houston Astros.

    One: New businesses that activists say have opened around the park. Politicos, such as then-Miami Commissioner Joe Sanchez, promised time and again the stadium would bring "economic vitality" to a desolate edge of Little Havana that was left to rot after the Orange Bowl's demolition. Instead, the neighborhood has been treated to a single sports bar on the corner of NW 17th Avenue and Seventh Street, the Batting Cage, says Bayona. "It's still a ghost town when there's no game."

    500,000: That's how many fewer fans flooded Little Havana to watch Loria's team this year than the Marlins owner had projected to deliver in the stadium's inaugural season. "Essentially, they spent $500 million and only lured a few hundred thousand extra fans," says Neil deMause, author of Field of Schemes, a book about modern stadium deals. "They could have just stood outside and handed out five-dollar bills to get people in the gates and accomplished about the same thing for a hell of a lot less cash."

    Zero: Businesses that set up shop in the retail spaces inside Marlins Park's garages during the season. One selling point to the city in exchange for $100 million was that an "entertainment district" would pop up in the garages. So far, the city has zilch to show for that promise. Commissioner Frank Carollo claims the city is close to signing a lease with the Tilted Kilt, a sports bar staffed by scantily clad women. Art Noriega, chief executive officer of the Miami Parking Authority, tells New Times that a cigar company has signed a contract to open by next season. But Horacio Stuart Aguirre, chairman of the Miami River Commission, thinks other types of tenants — urgent care clinics and immigration attorneys — are more likely to lease at this point. "The whole thing was done badly," he told the Miami Herald last month.

    2.2 million: Fans who passed through the turnstiles this year, the lowest season total for a team opening a brand-new park since the 1982 Minnesota Twins, according to Forbes. Yeah, it's a nice boost from the bottom-of-the-barrel 1.5 million the team drew in its final year at Sun Life Stadium. But bragging about beating that total would be like taking pride in posting a better batting average than John Buck.

    $38 million: Payroll Loria dumped by the end of July by trading Hanley Ramirez. Before the season, the Marlins owner had upped their payroll to $95 million to help pay for stars Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle and manager Ozzie Guillen. The spree came after being shamed by leaked financial documents showing he'd banked nearly $50 million in profit while pleading poverty. How? By taking the millions that richer baseball teams share with minnows like the Marlins and then putting them in his wallet instead of buying new sluggers. So much for the new Loria. With the season slipping, he shipped Ramirez, ace pitcher Anibal Sanchez, hot second-baseman Omar Infante, and set-up guy Edward Mujica out of town. Even worse, he's already promised that next year's team budget will be even lower.

    $90 million: Increased value of the Marlins franchise this year, according to Forbes. If you pass through Southampton, New York, this fall and hear an ear-shattering cackling coming from a massive mansion, don't worry: It's just Loria rolling around naked in giant piles of cash. The team he bought for $158 million in 2002 is now worth $450 million, by Forbes' reckoning.

    One: Protests by anti-Castro groups outside Marlins Park. After Guillen decided to celebrate his move to Little Havana by telling Time magazine he "respects" El Comandante, almost 200 hardliners wailed into megaphones and waved flags outside the team's second homestand.

    52: Times that Red Grooms's eyeball-scorching sculpture in center field — nicknamed the "Tremenda Mierda Fountain" by New Times readers in an online poll — erupted with water spouts and flailing dolphins for Marlins home runs (as of Monday). Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise that the Fish were 25th out of 30 teams in homers.

    $2.4 billion: Estimated total cost to taxpayers, including ballooning interest rates, for Marlins Park.

    Back at the team's penultimate home game last month, after the Marlins' final batter obediently grounded out to second to end another dismal night, black-clad fans shuffled toward the exits, happy at least to have gotten a bobblehead out of the game.

    Locals have a hard time finding the good in the giant silver-and-white elephant looming over their blue-collar blocks, though. As the season winds down, residents like Ines Machado — who for 35 years has lived in a two-story home a block north of the stadium — can hardly turn a blind eye to the taxpayer-bleeding succubus looming outside her window. "I used to charge $70 a car to park on my lawn for Orange Bowl games. This place?" she says, gesturing at the ballpark. "This place has done nothing for us."
    http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2012-10...out-stadium/2/

    Tremenda Mierda Fountain made me lol
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  • #2
    Ugh. The ballpark is open and here to stay so can we put an end to the "The Marlins screwed the Taxpayers!" articles? Even if you believe that they did (I don't), what difference does it make now?? How many more times is the New Times going to print basically the same article? 10 years from now, will we still have to read about how the Marlins "stole" a stadium? Get over it already. These people may as well embrace the ballpark...the team and the building aren't going anywhere. Constantly bashing it helps nobody.
    Last edited by fauowls44; 10-02-2012, 10:48 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bell_virus.exe View Post
      Tremenda Mierda Fountain made me lol
      I think I know what that means if "mierda" is the Spanish form of "merde".

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
        How can you say that they didn't screw the taxpayers?
        Because they didn't screw the taxpayers...

        Is your definition of "screwing the taxpayers" legally entering into an agreement with the city and county to use money collected from tourist taxes (reserved specifically for projects like a ballpark) to jointly construct a ballpark? That's not how I would define it, but if you do, then my advice remains the same...it's time to get over it.

        I understand that people don't like publically-funded stadium projects. I'm fully aware of all arguments against them. I just happen not to care. I like my sports teams and I want them to play in nice places. Besides, if this money wasn't used to build the ballpark, it would have gone toward a museum or a convention center...it was never going to be used on paying teachers or police officers. Would you rather have a new convention center or a new ballpark?

        My tax money goes to all sorts of things I don't care about or will never use, so if one time, money goes to something I do like (like baseball), then I'm good with it.

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        • #5
          You could say that tax payers are screwed every time a civil service project gets done. Whatever, I'll use the tax funded ballpark way more than I will ever use the new tax funded museum of science and art museum. I am still yet to step foot in the way more expensive performing arts center. There are privately held for profit companies working out of the performing arts center. I am of the belief all of these things add to a community's value. People need to get over it. The politcos will spend our money one way or another and most people will disagree with how it is being spent.

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          • #6
            Holy fuck this taxpayer argument is so fucking boring already.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jorge18 View Post
              Holy fuck this taxpayer argument is so fucking boring already.
              EXACTLY! I cannot believe that this is still a topic.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
                Not all of the funds came/come from tourist tax.
                No...some came from the Marlins. Everything from the city/county is from tourist money. None of it is from the general fund. You can read the agreement online if you want.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
                  All but 50 million are tourist tax dollars. City of Miami contribution is not tourist tax.

                  http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/news/ar...=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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                  And that's IF tourist taxes can cover the repayments, which is not guaranteed at all.
                  That article was from February 2008. If I recall correctly, the deal wasn't finalized until June 2009. I'm not sure that all that information from that article is what was in the final agreement. And again....who cares?? The money has already been spent...the park is built. Get over it.

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                  • #10
                    "I used to charge $70 a car to park on my lawn for Orange Bowl games. This place?" she says, gesturing at the ballpark. "This place has done nothing for us."
                    That comment is not only stupid, but very short sighted. The park is scheduled to have events year round. Sure, maybe the Marlins continue to suck and bring in low crowds, but I'm almost sure all of the soccer, and concerts that are planned will bring in plenty of people.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
                      Oh right, who cares. The 16 trillion in US debt has already been spent too. Who cares, get over it!
                      Comparing $50m to $16t, thats a good argument.

                      If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading an article that tourism is up a lot and they were going to have more than enough money from tourism (so called "bed tax") to cover the stadium.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
                        But they aren't charging 70 per car at any of those events. Someone should prepare the local homeowner pre and post revenue to compare.

                        The 2007 Hurricanes played 7 home games. Assuming they got $70/car and lets just assume they had one spot to make the math easy, that's $490 for the season.

                        Let's say they charge $10 now for the Marlins, that would be $810 for the season.

                        Still come out on top.
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                        Originally posted by Sandroimbuto
                        Look, we all love the stadium but lets not defend it like a great investment of public funds because it is not.
                        You're right. But my point is if the money wouldn't have been spent on this, it would have been spent on something else.

                        Hell, the Arsht center was publicly funded, where were are these articles about it?
                        Last edited by Jorge18; 10-02-2012, 02:15 PM. Reason: Doublepost Merged

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                        • #13
                          I went to a lot of UM games at the OB and not once did EVER pay more than $25 to park in a house. $70? LMFAO I say puh-lease.

                          IMO the argument here is that its not a good investment. I'd say most of the time the gov't spent money is not invested well.

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                          • #14
                            Well how many home games did UM have there? 7 max?

                            $70 x 7 = $490 vs $10 x 81 = $810.

                            And there's no fucking way anyone paid $70 to park at a Canes football game. Absolutely not.
                            Last edited by Mainge; 10-02-2012, 03:30 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fauowls44 View Post
                              Because they didn't screw the taxpayers...

                              Is your definition of "screwing the taxpayers" legally entering into an agreement with the city and county to use money collected from tourist taxes (reserved specifically for projects like a ballpark) to jointly construct a ballpark? That's not how I would define it, but if you do, then my advice remains the same...it's time to get over it.

                              I understand that people don't like publically-funded stadium projects. I'm fully aware of all arguments against them. I just happen not to care. I like my sports teams and I want them to play in nice places. Besides, if this money wasn't used to build the ballpark, it would have gone toward a museum or a convention center...it was never going to be used on paying teachers or police officers. Would you rather have a new convention center or a new ballpark?

                              My tax money goes to all sorts of things I don't care about or will never use, so if one time, money goes to something I do like (like baseball), then I'm good with it.

                              What he said.

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