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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc523 View Post
    The one we just traded away...
    none of those guys were 5 tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish16 View Post
    none of those guys were 5 tools.
    ok fella.

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    Quote Originally Posted by żNICK? View Post
    ok fella.
    are you familiar with the 5 tools? because if you were you wouldnt be arguing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish16 View Post
    are you familiar with the 5 tools? because if you were you wouldnt be arguing that.
    For one thing the 5 tools designation is outdated by about 30 years, and super subjective, so I don't know why you brought it up, but if there was any outfield in the major leagues last year that you wanted to make an argument for having 3 5-tool outfielders than it would be by far the Marlins. The only tool for any of the 3 guys that I don't think you'd have an argument for is Yelich's arm.

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    Very true. Speed didn't translate into extra bases or steals for Ozuna or Stanton, but it was a well-rounded OF.

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    Actually Yelich was Minus in Arm and Power. Ozuna and Stanton were both Minus in Bat coming up thru the minors

    Alot of guys are "5 Tool" in the minors because of projection however when they get to the majors it disappears quick. Ozuna eventually became 5 tool but Stanton and Yelich were never. Yelich's Power still might happen

    Harrison is minus in bat right now and Sierra is minus in power and bat. Brinson is hard to tell because of where he played but was minus in bat. All 3 are Speed/Defense/Arm PLUS. Braxton Lee is Plus in 4 tools

    Tools don't mean much tho as long as u have guys that fit the team. If u need a guy to play Gold Glove CF/Steal 50+ Bases and bat leadoff it doesn't mater if he only hits 4 HR's. Same with 1B-if u need someone to hit 40HR and 100RBI u don't care if he has a minus bat or minus defense
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    All true, tjfla. With the opportunity to build a team from scratch, however, it would seem best to shoot for all-around skills at every position. In that regard, Realmuto is the one catcher that has that profile - he and maybe his former Jacksonville teammate Austin Barnes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Stone View Post
    All true, tjfla. With the opportunity to build a team from scratch, however, it would seem best to shoot for all-around skills at every position. In that regard, Realmuto is the one catcher that has that profile - he and maybe his former Jacksonville teammate Austin Barnes.
    Austin Barnes? He isn't 5 tool in fact he wouldn't have been a Catcher if he was still in Miami. They were going to make him a offensive 2B before they got the chance to get Dee

    The kid we got at GBoro this year at C(Jared Barnes) has a chance to be a good C. Just few years off

    We actually have some depth at Catcher in the minors. The isssue is none are close to ready. Roy Morales has talent(drug thing killed his development).

    I wouldn't mind if we draft 2 or 3 Catchers in first Top 10 Rds this draft. Get some more talent and see if one can stick

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfla View Post
    Actually Yelich was Minus in Arm and Power. Ozuna and Stanton were both Minus in Bat coming up thru the minors

    Alot of guys are "5 Tool" in the minors because of projection however when they get to the majors it disappears quick. Ozuna eventually became 5 tool but Stanton and Yelich were never. Yelich's Power still might happen

    Harrison is minus in bat right now and Sierra is minus in power and bat. Brinson is hard to tell because of where he played but was minus in bat. All 3 are Speed/Defense/Arm PLUS. Braxton Lee is Plus in 4 tools

    Tools don't mean much tho as long as u have guys that fit the team. If u need a guy to play Gold Glove CF/Steal 50+ Bases and bat leadoff it doesn't mater if he only hits 4 HR's. Same with 1B-if u need someone to hit 40HR and 100RBI u don't care if he has a minus bat or minus defense
    Yeah I wasn't talking about what they were in the minors.

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    Also, how was Stanton not 5-tool. His average was nothing to write home about, but certainly more than good enough for a hitter with even half his power. His speed didn't translate to steals but certainly was a factor in his outfield play. Yelich hit 39 homers the last 2 years. 20 HRs a season isn't good enough to qualify for the power tool?

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    Barnes is actually rated as 6th best among MLB catchers. When Barnes and Realmuto anchored the Jacksonville AA champions, Barnes actually had better hitting numbers than JT. Together, they would have been the perfect Marlin tandem. https://www.mlb.com/news/buster-pose...rs/c-265337230

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Stone View Post
    Barnes is actually rated as 6th best among MLB catchers. When Barnes and Realmuto anchored the Jacksonville AA champions, Barnes actually had better hitting numbers than JT. Together, they would have been the perfect Marlin tandem. https://www.mlb.com/news/buster-pose...rs/c-265337230
    Yes now. But if he was with us still he would have been at 2B,that is what we were going to make him before he was traded. They had decided JT was Catcher of Future and Barnes was 2B of Future in 2012 but didn't need him around if Dee was gonna be at 2B

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    Failure to utilize guys who can play several positions properly and also valuing them in the minor league system has been a staple of the marlins organization for some time.

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    Ill never get the point of an Austin Barnes throw in in that Dee trade. He was clearly underrated as a prospect his entire time here.

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