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    The reason why we haven't traded the pick

    Typically, the Competitive Balance Lottery has been held in late July. Introduced when the current Collective Bargaining Agreement began in December 2011, the lottery gave teams that have either one of the 10 smallest markets or 10 smallest revenue pools a chance to obtain extra Draft picks. Six picks have been awarded after each of the first and second rounds. Any teams that received revenue-sharing funds that didn't fit in either group of 10 have been added to the mix for the picks following the second round, or Competitive Balance Round B.

    I was using past tense because the future of the Lottery is a bit up in the air, because the current Agreement will expire this year and a new one will have to be collectively bargained by Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association. As part of those negotiations, it's possible the format of the Lottery will change in 2017. As a result, both MLB and the MLBPA agreed to postpone the Lottery until Jan. 25, 2017, to give them time to adjust to any changes.

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    Not draft related AND no clue even if they will change the rules next year BUT here are the 11(actually 12) teams who are out of the IFA market right now

    Braves,Padres,A's, Astros, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Nationals, Reds and Royals

    12th team Marlins(Everyone knows we ain't spending cash)

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    We got the #14 Pick

    Wayyyy to early but looks like this kid is about 99.9% the pick if he is around(Stan Meek loves OK,was 2 star athlete)

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    Conner Uselton 6'3 OF from Oklahoma

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    Marlins Draft Pool

    Marlins $8,928,200*

    * Our 1S Pick is worth 1.8 million so that number can come down to $7,100,000

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    Mocks are starting to come out

    BA-Seth Romero

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft...3JDCU3q48WC.97

    Looks like our type of guy-6'3 220lbs(Was suspended last year because was 250lbs) Lefty 93-95mph FB and a plus slider

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    Looks like with a month to go its already down to DL Hall or Trevor Rodgers. They like a few HS OF but doubtful any will be around at #13. Gonna be a normal draft for us tho it looks like

    Both HS LHP pitchers the difference is Hall is 6'0 190(think Scott Kazmir) and Rodgers is 6'6 190(think Andrew Miller). Rodgers also might cost less

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfla View Post
    Mocks are starting to come out

    BA-Seth Romero

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft...3JDCU3q48WC.97

    Looks like our type of guy-6'3 220lbs(Was suspended last year because was 250lbs) Lefty 93-95mph FB and a plus slider
    NEW BA Mock out and has us with D.L. Hall and Heliot Ramos.

    Looks like our 1st pick will be either Hall or Trevor Rodgers. KC who picks after us loves Rodgers so. If Jeff keeps the 1S Pick it looks like he might actually consider talented HS guys. Names that keep popping up are Heliot Ramos,Mark Vientos,Jacob Heatherley

    I don't wanna jinx it BUT some talk is that he wants to leave the new owners some guys for the future so he might actually draft talent this year and maybe even next(If he is still owns the team in June). He is still staying within budget which is $8,928,200 and won't overpay for guys after Rd10 BUT he understands none of these guys that will be around at #13 can help the team in the next 2 years and is unlikely to trade any of them because new ownership should be agreed to before next season.(When say agreed to I mean they will have a deal in place but Jeff will still be in charge of team)

    One reason they wanted Seth Romero is Jeff thought he could help the team over the next 2 years but between his problems and Jarlin Garcia locking down the lefty in the pen job and Locke coming back they have pretty much taken him off the board for now. They might take a shot at him at #36 but doubtful

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    I wouldn't touch Seth Romero. Not because of his attitude but because how strict milb drug testing is. They'll kill his development because of the ganja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    I wouldn't touch Seth Romero. Not because of his attitude but because how strict milb drug testing is. They'll kill his development because of the ganja.
    Well Jeff liked him because quickest guy to Majors at #13-DL Hall/Rodgers will both be taking 3 or 4 years. He thought last month that this was a good team. But ya Romero has weed problems(we do draft those those-Copeland/Soltis),weight problems(Naylor) and attitude issues. They won't touch him at #13 BUT if he is there at #36 or Rd 2 and he gave them a deal I could see them taking a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfla View Post
    NEW BA Mock out and has us with D.L. Hall and Heliot Ramos.

    Looks like our 1st pick will be either Hall or Trevor Rodgers. KC who picks after us loves Rodgers so. If Jeff keeps the 1S Pick it looks like he might actually consider talented HS guys. Names that keep popping up are Heliot Ramos,Mark Vientos,Jacob Heatherley

    I don't wanna jinx it BUT some talk is that he wants to leave the new owners some guys for the future so he might actually draft talent this year and maybe even next(If he is still owns the team in June). He is still staying within budget which is $8,928,200 and won't overpay for guys after Rd10 BUT he understands none of these guys that will be around at #13 can help the team in the next 2 years and is unlikely to trade any of them because new ownership should be agreed to before next season.(When say agreed to I mean they will have a deal in place but Jeff will still be in charge of team)

    One reason they wanted Seth Romero is Jeff thought he could help the team over the next 2 years but between his problems and Jarlin Garcia locking down the lefty in the pen job and Locke coming back they have pretty much taken him off the board for now. They might take a shot at him at #36 but doubtful
    BA has us with RHP Shane Baz and SS Jeter Downs this week. Our final 5 are all on the board in their mock HS arms-Hall,Rogers,Baz HS Bat-Austin Beck and College Arm David Peterson. Issue with Baz is his asking price and Peterson has replaced Romero as our fast moving older arm.All the others could be had for about slot. Jeter Downs would be a $ saving pick(slot is 1.88 u could probably get him for 1.3-1.5 if u tried BUT knowing Jeff he will pay him 2 mil and have to save later HAHA)

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    Would be a nice draft if get

    Rd1-Hall/Rogers(HS SP)
    Rd1S-Vientos/Ramos(HS Bat)/Evan White(College 1B)
    Rd2-Heatherly(HS SP)/Jeter Downs(HS SS)

    Add high end young talent at SLOT but knowing us we will draft Hall or Rogers than some guys Ranked #400 and #600 and sign them for slot or overslot because they are "projectable"

    One thing to watch for is the ages of some of these guys. Vientos and Ramos are the youngest in the draft at 17 until like Dec however ALOT of HS guys coming out are already 19 or turning 19 before the end of Rookie ball. No clue how that happens-15 years ago seniors were all 17 or 18 but now seems they are already 19 and with how conservative we are thats never good. 20 yr olds in their 2nd yr in Ex ST and Rookie ball should never happen if actual prospects. Atlanta for instance has 5 guys in AA 20 or under
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    Keith Law has them taking Baz in his latest mock saying this:

    I’ve heard that they’re all over the board but most prominently in on Baz, Peterson, Adell and Canning. There’s a sense that Baz is either heading to school (TCU) or has a deal with someone in the sandwich/second round.
    It's interesting because so many of the credible guys have been saying they like Hall and Rogers, but neither are mentioned by Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sports24/7 View Post
    Keith Law has them taking Baz in his latest mock saying this:



    It's interesting because so many of the credible guys have been saying they like Hall and Rogers, but neither are mentioned by Law.
    The final 5 are Hall,Rogers,Peterson,Beck and Baz. Alot of people have us taking Baz but the issue is his TCU commit which is why most credible guys like(Callis/BA) have us on Hall/Rogers(Alot easier to sign and they know our rep). Some say he is going to TCU no matter what and others say he wants 4-5 million(means above slot for us) which means a team like SD,Atlanta,Minnesota,TB can cut a deal with a guy early and still afford him in 1S or 2nd Rd.

    We can still afford him even if his number is $4-5 million,u just take a guy in 1S for 1 million(Saves u $888,888) or Rd 2(Saves u $340,000). However as it has been seen in the past,we don't do homework which means we will take Baz and find out he is going to TCU no matter what. Happened last year with Garrett,never got his number but drafted him anyway then he wanted over slot. As long as we do our homework on him I don't mind if we take a chance

    When I say homework,I mean just call the "agent/rep" and ask a simple question-What do u want to sign? If Baz's guy says 4 million,u take him and in Round 2 or even 1S u find out who out of a group of Jacob Heatherly,Connor Uselton,Heliot Ramos,Jeter Downs,MJ Melendez,Mark Vientos will take $1 million to sign. Whoever says YES u keep in consideration and if they say NO u take them off the board

    We haven't done it in years tho so doubt they would start now but that is the new way that most of the successful draft teams do business now. MLB has made it easy for teams who do work to actually draft the best talent-If u don't sign a guy in First 3 Rds they give u the pick back next year so there is NO reason u should have to reach for guys anymore. They tell guys how much they can spend so if a guy wants more u just say what slot is.
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    Less than a week to go till Draft

    Not much has changed-a guy they really like is Jo Adell(HS OF) but he is being looked at #9 and #10 so he won't be around. They have cooled on Austin Beck(HS OF). Looks like pick will come down to $$$$ like most of the Fish picks do(#13 is $3,875,800)

    Shane Baz(HS RHP) Price is said to be $4-4.5 million
    DL Hall(HS LHP)Slot
    Trevor Rogers(HS LHP)Slot
    David Peterson(Oregon LHP) $3.5 million to Slot

    If Jo Adell is on the board,they would be very very tempted to take him but if not it's looking like David Peterson is #1 on the board

    For people who never heard of Peterson-University of Oregon LHP 6'6 240 and has been named "Best Control" in the draft. 100 innings pitched this year 140SO 15Walks. Had a 17SO game(Miss St) and a 20SO game(Arizona St) this year. He will turn 22 in Sept


    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/...son-lhp-oregon

    Looking like a "normal" Stan Meek draft tho-if we go Pitcher in Rd1,don't be surprised to see a toolsy OF project in Rd 1S/2
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    I like Peterson a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emkayseven View Post
    I like Peterson a lot.
    At this point ill take any pitcher who is willing to submit his medical records OR already had his TJ

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    Might be an ahole but not down with this at all. Hopefully Stan Meek does his homework and drops this guy from our board.

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    Frisaro's article(Actually looks like a press release he got from the team) Good Laugh about BPA is the club's philsophy. If that was true they wouldn't draft guys ranked #581 at pick #34 and then give him $1.3 million. 3 years later still hasn't got out of Rookie Ball

    Looks like MLB bumped up the amount u can give to guys after Rd 10(Doesn't apply to us since we usually go for 24 yr old Seniors)

    http://m.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...in-2017-draft/

    First-round buzz
    "Best player available" remains the club's philosophy, so the Marlins aren't ruling out high-school arms. In his June 1 Mock Draft, MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo projects Miami to take prep standout D.L. Hall, a left-hander from Valdosta High School in Georgia. Hall draws comparisons to Braxton Garrett, selected seventh overall by the Marlins in 2016. Griffin Canning, a right-hander from UCLA, is a college possibility, and so is David Peterson from Oregon. High-school right-hander, Shane Baz, from Concordia Lutheran High School in Tomball, Texas, also is speculated to go in the middle of the first round.

    Money matters
    Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team has an allotted bonus pool equal to the sum of the values of that club's selections in the first 10 rounds of the Draft. The more picks a team has, and the earlier it picks, the larger the pool. The signing bonuses for a team's selections in the first 10 rounds, plus any bonus greater than $125,000 for a player taken after the 10th round, will apply toward the bonus-pool total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjfla View Post
    At this point ill take any pitcher who is willing to submit his medical records OR already had his TJ
    Looks like a Marlins pick!!! Please Stan Meek do your homework this year-I don't mind Canning in Rd 3/4(If he falls) but u can't take guys with medical issues on Day 1. We all know tho Stan Meek will and then he will need TJ.

    With the Draft rapidly approaching, teams are in their Draft rooms, going over details like medical reports. Top pitching prospects submit to things like MRIs. And sometimes, those tests turn up things that get flagged by medical staffs.

    That is what appears to have happened with UCLA right-hander Griffin Canning. Ranked No. 17 on our Draft Top 200 list, Canning is a highly regarded college arm who was looking like a middle of the first round talent because of his extremely consistent season. But word was spreading as the final weekend before the Draft approached that there were some issues with his medical report that were causing teams to pause at the very least.

    According to sources from multiple teams, Canning's MRI returned some potential issues. Such reports are not uncommon and it will be up to each team's medical staff to interpret the results, but as of Friday night, some teams had already decided to pass on Canning, while others are waiting to hear back from their doctors on how to proceed.

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    Looks Like Final 5 are still Adell,Baz,Peterson,Rogers,Hall. Baz is toughest sign in the draft(Price is said to be 4-4.5 million and commit to TCU) which is why all are giving backup picks. Best rumor is Jeff might take Baz no matter if he can sign him or not. Reason being if he doesn't sign him than Jeff saves 4 million dollars and new owners would get another #1 pick next year and if he does he gets another TX fireballer

    Mocks Today

    Jim Callis-Jo Adell
    Mayo-Shane Baz(Unless price to high then Trevor Rogers)
    Manuel-Shane Baz(Unless price to high then David Peterson)
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    if Jeff honestly plans on selling, wouldn't it behoove them to take Baz, try and sign him, and if they can't just get pick 12 next year when someone else is writing the check?

    I like Baz way more than Rogers but i'm a HUGE Peterson fan. Really hope that's the direction we go. He could be up in not very long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emkayseven View Post
    if Jeff honestly plans on selling, wouldn't it behoove them to take Baz, try and sign him, and if they can't just get pick 12 next year when someone else is writing the check?

    I like Baz way more than Rogers but i'm a HUGE Peterson fan. Really hope that's the direction we go. He could be up in not very long.
    Exactly why alot of talk is Shane Baz for us. He is toughest sign in the draft BUT if u draft him and don't sign him u get a pick next year. Which means Jeff saves $3,888,800 and the new owners get a guy they want

    I would go for Peterson too. Big kid,great control and like u said can move fast. U could have him in Jupiter to start next year. Jo Adell is interesting tho 6'3 210 just turned 18 and a 5 tool guy

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/...ville-kentucky

    I am fine with Peterson and than toolsy OF in 1S OR Adell and arms in 1S/R2

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    I wouldn't mind Adell because he's the type of guy where if not everything pans out he's still a useful player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emkayseven View Post
    I wouldn't mind Adell because he's the type of guy where if not everything pans out he's still a useful player.
    And if he doesn't pan out in the OF u can always try him on the mound. Throws 97 and has a curve

    Long as we draft talent like LY I dont really care who we draft. A GBoro OF of Thomas Jones-Adell-? wouldnt look to bad

    Baz could have a deal with Atlanta at #5 or Minnesota at #35. Rumors coming out are Minnesota could go with Royce Lewis at #1 then make deals with other guys like Baz/other 1st Rd talent at #35 or #37.

    #1 is $7.7 which means they could do a deal with Lewis for 4.5 or so and then use the other $3.2 on those picks.
    #35 is almost $2 million which means add 2.2 or more take Baz and give him $4.2 million or more
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    Peterson is my guy too. This team needs a fast moving healthy arm. And to top it all off hes got massive potential for a college guy too.
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