May Game Thread

[fish16]

I love it that I get under your skin. You realize it makes my day

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Ahhhhh okay this answers my question. So the more we know, the more the "culture change" isn't really a change other than the face of the franchise, and that hasn't worked out well because Jeter thought people in So Fla would just kiss his ass like they did in NY.

So we are still being cheap & short changing the overall franchise with not enough minor league teams, and stupid people throwing temper tantrums about dogs & losing affiliations with great facilities & great attendance, and ending up in Clinton Ia the baseball equivalent of the Wilderness.

It's just amazing that a franchise can continually self-inflict wounds no matter the ownership or having "supposedly" one of the best "faces of a franchise" that one could want, and is on his way to being almost as despised as Loria....and that's no small feat to accomplish.

Again, you don’t get under my skin, I think you’re an old lonely guy who just needs someone to be negative to. I’m personally just shocked you posted after a win for the first time in 2 years. I also comment on your posts because you are by far the most negative poster on the board while simultaneously being the single least informed person on the board as well

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My favorite part though is your constant criticism of the rebuild while admitting you don’t know shit about the minor league guys we have at all. How do you not realize all of your criticism of the rebuild and how it’s going is beyond dumb if you are admitting you don’t know any of the minor leaguers.

Also, they have invested a ton in IFA, player development, and draft resources since they took over so once again you’re just complaining to hear yourself complain

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Remember when there was talk of us getting Bellinger in exchange for Realmuto. The Dodgers are too smart, though.

That was never happening. I would have loved verdugo though

[tjfla]

What do you think is going to happen to that $38 million if he's on the team for the remainder of the contract? You cant honestly believe we're going to off-load any of that contract. This isn't about wins. It's about changing the culture and rewarding success.

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I'd like to see Hernandez keep on starting whether it be in AAA or the majors. If we needed to bring up a reliever I would've rather seen Brigham.

Ya should have gave Brigham or Keller a look. Elieser won't be up long-Ferrell is close to be ready and has to come up

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I love it that I get under your skin. You realize it makes my day

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Ahhhhh okay this answers my question. So the more we know, the more the "culture change" isn't really a change other than the face of the franchise, and that hasn't worked out well because Jeter thought people in So Fla would just kiss his ass like they did in NY.

So we are still being cheap & short changing the overall franchise with not enough minor league teams, and stupid people throwing temper tantrums about dogs & losing affiliations with great facilities & great attendance, and ending up in Clinton Ia the baseball equivalent of the Wilderness.

It's just amazing that a franchise can continually self-inflict wounds no matter the ownership or having "supposedly" one of the best "faces of a franchise" that one could want, and is on his way to being almost as despised as Loria....and that's no small feat to accomplish.

I wouldn't be surprised if they added a 2nd DSL team in 2/3 years. Right now the focus is to improve the DSL complex!! Once they improve it they will have more coaches,training,fields

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Urenas been very good recently. Might be able to get a solid hitting prospect for him at the deadline

They have been getting calls on Urena(like Mish said) and Rojas but price is still crazy. They want a 2 or 3 player/thing package for either of them

Something to watch on Urena and Romo is see what teams are in on Keuchel and Kimbrel but MISS on them. Also Philly has called on Neil Walker.

Walker,Castro(with cash),Grandy,Prado,Romo,Urena,Rojas,Conley are all on block

[Lee Stone]

They have been getting calls on Urena(like Mish said) and Rojas but price is still crazy.

Rojas? Why would any team be looking at Miguel? How could the asking price be anything but nominal?

Urena, I can see. Durable and seems to improve as the seasons wear on. But if the Marlins can't get a near sure-fire prospect in return, why trade him?

[fish16]

asking for 2 to 3 players for Miguel fucking rojas might be the most ridiculous thing ever. he's a utility player with a 0 bat and good fielding ability. He's worth more to us as a solid defender than any non-prospects you'd get for him. Im sure teams are just clammoring for a 30 year old utility guy with a career .307 OBP and .337 SLG

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They have been getting calls on Urena(like Mish said) and Rojas but price is still crazy.

Rojas? Why would any team be looking at Miguel? How could the asking price be anything but nominal?

Urena, I can see. Durable and seems to improve as the seasons wear on. But if the Marlins can't get a near sure-fire prospect in return, why trade him?

Because he is an average to above average pitcher at a position we have great, major league ready depth at and he can get you a solid hitting prospect or 2. Or you can keep him for 2 more years, hold back the development of other potential better SP's, and then lose him for nothing in free agency in 2 years.

[tjfla]

asking for 2 to 3 players for Miguel fucking rojas might be the most ridiculous thing ever. he's a utility player with a 0 bat and good fielding ability. He's worth more to us as a solid defender than any non-prospects you'd get for him. Im sure teams are just clammoring for a 30 year old utility guy with a career .307 OBP and .337 SLG

2 to 3 THINGS(players,Ifa cash,picks) They asked NYY for 2 players but asked another team(LAA I heard) for a player and IFA cash for Rojas,

[fish16]

2 to 3 THINGS(players,Ifa cash,picks) They asked NYY for 2 players but asked another team(LAA I heard) for a player and IFA cash for Rojas,

it could be 2 to 3 rolls of paper towels, youre not getting anything for miguel rojas. he is a below average major league baseball player, is making more than the major league minimum, and he's 30 years old.

[tjfla]

They have been getting calls on Urena(like Mish said) and Rojas but price is still crazy.

Rojas? Why would any team be looking at Miguel? How could the asking price be anything but nominal?

Urena, I can see. Durable and seems to improve as the seasons wear on. But if the Marlins can't get a near sure-fire prospect in return, why trade him?

Because he is a FA in 2 years and not tons of SP on the market plus Zac Gallen is sitting in AAA. If u can get 2 Top 15 bats,project SP and some IFA cash jump on it

[fish16]

at most for Rojas you are getting a very small amount of IFA money or a lower minors non prospect. The only guys with value in a trade that we would realistically be looking to deal are Walker, Romo, Urena, and if granderson gets hot he might get you some IFA money based on his track record and leadership in the clubhouse.

[tjfla]

at most for Rojas you are getting a very small amount of IFA money or a lower minors non prospect. The ony guys with value in a trade that we would realistically be looking to deal is Walker, Romo, Urena, and if granderson gets hot he might get you some IFA money based on his track record and leadership in the clubhouse.

Walker and Romo will get u 2 THINGS. Castro with cash will get u 2 THINGS. Urena will get u 2-4 THINGS. Grandy,Prado,Conley will get u something

When I say THINGS I mean could be a 26 yr old RP,18 yr old DSL guy,IFA Cash,Draft Pick. U are NOT getting anything special for anyone beside Urena and maybe Romo

Reasonable to think u can get 500K and some 22 yr old A Ball player for most of the guys. Teams like Minn/Oak/Clev/TB would love guys like them

I mention this now because teams can trade draft picks till Sunday. Lets just say Miami has made some mention of them. Not saying anything ill happen but some discussions have. More likely after July 2-July 31. Also remember NO trades after July 31 anymore

[fish16]

Walker and Romo will get u 2 THINGS. Castro with cash will get u 2 THINGS. Urena will get u 2-4 THINGS. Grandy,Prado,Conley will get u something

When I say THINGS I mean could be a 26 yr old RP,18 yr old DSL guy,IFA Cash,Draft Pick. U are NOT getting anything special for anyone beside Urena and maybe Romo

Reasonable to think u can get 500K and some 22 yr old A Ball player for most of the guys. Teams like Minn/Oak/Clev would love guys like them

Ok then thats fine, i just dont understand the point of trading a guy like rojas when his value for the next few years as a clubhouse guy is going to be higher than the value of a 26 year old A ball reliever who has no shot of ever getting past A ball. Im all for trading veterans in a rebuild, but you dont do it just to say you dealt veterans. You evaluate the value that you think a guy like Rojas has to your team and then you ask whether it's worth losing even that minimal value for a few years in order to say you dealt him for a guy that everyone knows has no shot to make the majors the second his name is announced in a trade.

Im all for dealing guys if you can get IFA money or a guy who has a legit shot at impacting the big league club at some point, i just think you severely overestimate the amount of teams who are going to be willing to give up even the smallest amount of IFA money for a below average guy like Rojas. But maybe you can find a team who operates like we used to operate and is just willing to throw away all their IFA cash.

My main point is that you have to evaluate whether youre making the long term prognosis of the franchise any better by trading rojas for nothing just to say that you traded a veteran in a rebuild. For example, if Castro keeps hitting like the worst hitter in baseball, you're not going to get anything for him really. So you can deal him and get nothing back or look at it in terms of how it effect the development of Diaz and whether we'd be rushing him to the big leagues. So in that case, is the A ball reliever with no shot of making the majors at any point that you get for Castro worth the potential rushing of Diaz in the scenario where Diaz is not ready to be promoted to the big leagues? No, it's not.

[tjfla]

Ok then thats fine, i just dont understand the point of trading a guy like rojas when his value for the next few years as a clubhouse guy is going to be higher than the value of a 26 year old A ball reliever who has no shot of ever getting past A ball. Im all for trading veterans in a rebuild, but you dont do it just to say you dealt veterans. You evaluate the value that you think a guy like Rojas has to your team and then you ask whether it's worth losing even that minimal value for a few years in order to say you dealt him for a guy that everyone knows has no shot to make the majors the second his name is announced in a trade.

Im all for dealing guys if you can get IFA money or a guy who has a legit shot at impacting the big league club at some point, i just think you severely overestimate the amount of teams who are going to be willing to give up even the smallest amount of IFA money for a below average guy like Rojas. But maybe you can find a team who operates like we used to operate and is just willing to throw away all their IFA cash.

My main point is that you have to evaluate whether youre making the long term prognosis of the franchise any better by trading rojas for nothing just to say that you traded a veteran in a rebuild. For example, if Castro keeps hitting like the worst hitter in baseball, you're not going to get anything for him really. So you can deal him and get nothing back or look at it in terms of how it effect the development of Diaz and whether we'd be rushing him to the big leagues. So in that case, is the A ball reliever with no shot of making the majors at any point that you get for Castro worth the potential rushing of Diaz in the scenario where Diaz is not ready to be promoted to the big leagues? No, it's not.

The thing is if u are a Minnesota or Oakland would u rather have Castro as 2B/DH or some 28 yr old rookie for playoff run? If u called Minnesota around July 27 and offered Castro and 1 million for IFA and a Top 20 Prospect they would jump all over it. Same with NYY if u called them and offered Rojas and Grandy for 2 low level prospects Denbo likes u dont think they would be all over it? Teams would rather have old vets then some career minor league guy as 25th man

Diaz is the 2020 ML 2B ready or not

We get guys as throw ins who everyone thinks has NO shot at making majors all the time. Luis Castillo,Desco,Pablo Lopez are few names who were throw ins

The reason why we signed and are playing these vets is to trade them and get prospects/things

Rather get a 26 yr old guy in system than nontender a guy and get NOTHING like DD or let them leave as FA. Mckenzie Mills isn't great(possible he becomes a LHR) but rather have him in system than just let Bour leave for nothing

[fish16]

Desclafanj and Pablo Lopez were not at all the type of prospects I’m talking about not are they the types of guys you could get for a guy like Castro and especially Rojas. That’s some revisionist history

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Castillo is a fair enough guy to fit your point though. Off the top of my head he was the Casey McGhee to the giants return, right?

[Nick]

I do recall being ecstatic about the McGehee trade, but maybe that was just because he was so bad that I was happy to get anything.

[gustavopim]

I think we can do more damage getting 250K or 500K of international money than getting low level prospects. Many phenoms and good players signed for nothing out of the islands and other places. I think Sixto was signed for 25K, Ozuna the same, Acuna was too. So I'd rather make those cheap bets on international players than get a 26yo in Single A.

Also, September is going to be fun with Monte, Diaz, Brinson, Harold, J.T Riddle, Gallen, Heliezer etc

[fish16]

I think we can do more damage getting 250K or 500K of international money than getting low level prospects. Many phenoms and good players signed for nothing out of the islands and other places. I think Sixto was signed for 25K, Ozuna the same, Acuna was too. So I'd rather make those cheap bets on international players than get a 26yo in Single A.

Also, September is going to be fun with Monte, Diaz, Brinson, Harold, J.T Riddle, Gallen, Heliezer etc

Agreed, I just am very skeptical as to who will be giving us ifa money for some of these guys. Castro I could see as an alternative to giving up a prospect because of his down year, I just have a very hard time seeing anyone giving up anything for Rojas