Passan: Marlins Close to Finalizing Deal to Send Romo to Twins

[geemoney]

I'm just saying, I don't think this deal falls under the same category as the others you mentioned. Yes we traded for an under-the-radar up-and-coming prospect, but we also dealt and under-the-radar up-and-coming prospect in the same deal.

Here though the Marlins are dealing from a position of relative strength (starting pitching prospects) for a position of relative weakness (power bats in the system). It’s also nice to see, with this deal, the front office showing an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of our system. You would hope to not have to point something like that out for a compliment, but given some of our deals under Loria, it is somewhat reassuring.

[Nick]

Here though the Marlins are dealing from a position of relative strength (starting pitching prospects) for a position of relative weakness (power bats in the system). It’s also nice to see, with this deal, the front office showing an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of our system. You would hope to not have to point something like that out for a compliment, but given some of our deals under Loria, it is somewhat reassuring.

And I've given them credit for that especially with this last draft. Twins were doing the same thing they had a log jam at 1st base, and dealt the guy furthest from the big leagues. I just would think that Vallimont and this PTBNL would be more than enough to get the deal done, without having Romo in the deal as well, who at the very least should've netted us a decent rookie ball prospect.

[sports24/7]

MLB.com is not good for rankings. Fangraphs and BA are the rankings sites while Mayo/Callis do great at scouting reports

BA have Diaz at #10

Right. I thought it was interesting because of where both player were ranked before the trade. Diaz was 30th for the Twins, and Vallimont was like 26 for Miami. Somehow Vallimont ended up higher on the Twins list than Diaz was, and Diaz ended up higher on the Marlins list than Vallimont was. Basically they are saying Vallimont is better than Diaz one place, and Diaz is better than Vallimont somewhere else.

[lou]

Right. I thought it was interesting because of where both player were ranked before the trade. Diaz was 30th for the Twins, and Vallimont was like 26 for Miami. Somehow Vallimont ended up higher on the Twins list than Diaz was, and Diaz ended up higher on the Marlins list than Vallimont was. Basically they are saying Vallimont is better than Diaz one place, and Diaz is better than Vallimont somewhere else.

Right. Not to state exactly what TJ did, but MLB's lists are a mess. It's nice for some of the detailed information, but if it's not BA or FG, or even BP and Law here and there, I'm not sure it's the best source.

BA having him # 10 I think is a pretty big upgrade.

Fangraphs actually just updated him from a 35+ to a 40+, Marlins 13th overall prospect between Devers, Misner, VVM, and Holloway which seems about right overall.

Either way, this seems like a solid trade

[dim]

Yeah seems mutually beneficial. This isn't Josh Willingham and Scott Olsen for Emilio Bonifacio and PJ Dean we're talking about.

There's actually no reason to compare to that trade I just wanted to say it again.

[tjfla]

Right. Not to state exactly what TJ did, but MLB's lists are a mess. It's nice for some of the detailed information, but if it's not BA or FG, or even BP and Law here and there, I'm not sure it's the best source.

BA having him # 10 I think is a pretty big upgrade.

Fangraphs actually just updated him from a 35+ to a 40+, Marlins 13th overall prospect between Devers, Misner, VVM, and Holloway which seems about right overall.

Either way, this seems like a solid trade

MLB.com updated him to #12

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NOT saying that he is the PTBNL and he better not be but Osiris Johnson was someone who Minnesota loved in the draft LY. Twins considered him in Rd 1 and would have taken him in Rd 2 which is why we took him in Rd 2 instead of Rd 2S

[lou]

MLB.com updated him to #12

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NOT saying that he is the PTBNL and he better not be but Osiris Johnson was someone who Minnesota loved in the draft LY. Twins considered him in Rd 1 and would have taken him in Rd 2 which is why we took him in Rd 2 instead of Rd 2S

I can't imagine Osiris is in the deal. You're talking about volatile prospects and you're giving up a lot of value at that point as Vallimont isn't a chump and you're basically trading 2 lottery tickets for 1. I am expecting the Marlins to move to them a more inconsequential pitcher - Noesi, Milbrath, Eveld, etc. - who they could maybe use or protect on 40 man next year. Maybe this is even Tayron or Conley. We'll see.

All the press I read about this, the Marlins really love this guy. One of the best left handed hitters in the minors is a pretty insane statement, with them knowing full well we all will be making fun of them in 2 years if he sucks.

[Nick]

I can't imagine Osiris is in the deal. You're talking about volatile prospects and you're giving up a lot of value at that point as Vallimont isn't a chump and you're basically trading 2 lottery tickets for 1. I am expecting the Marlins to move to them a more inconsequential pitcher - Noesi, Milbrath, Eveld, etc. - who they could maybe use or protect on 40 man next year. Maybe this is even Tayron or Conley. We'll see.

All the press I read about this, the Marlins really love this guy. One of the best left handed hitters in the minors is a pretty insane statement, with them knowing full well we all will be making fun of them in 2 years if he sucks.

This is probably just my ignorance, but why would any of these guys need to be listed as PTBNL? I was thinking the fact that a PTBNL was included implied that it was maybe someone from this year's draft.

[lou]

This is probably just my ignorance, but why would any of these guys need to be listed as PTBNL? I was thinking the fact that a PTBNL was included implied that it was maybe someone from this year's draft.

Actually it's mine, looks like can't be on 25 man - http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactio...be-named-later. That just knocks out the MLB relievers. Unless they clear waivers. I suppose they could option back Brigham or Quijada?

That's a good point overall though. Maybe it's dependent on Minn. making other moves and depending on what they do, they'll take a starter (Noesi), RHP (Milbrath, Eveld), or LHP (Castano)?

Maybe it actually is Osiris and they want to see a medical report, and if the medical sucks, they'll take someone comparable (W. Stewart?). Who else is hurt in the minors that's important?

That would be something if it's L. Diaz for Osiris, Vallimont, and Romo. They are really confident in Diaz if that's the move.

[Namaste]

Dodgers should be going hard for Nick Anderson and his 3.08 xFIP.

[lou]

Dodgers should be going hard for Nick Anderson and his 3.08 xFIP.

You kind of just made the argument why Miami should keep him. Even if he gets some saves to pump up his arbitration numbers, he's probably a $30 million asset on a surplus value analysis. Even if you want to tick him down for being a reliever, it's not moving down much as I'm really over-estimating salary figures in arbitration here (I'm assuming multiple 40+ save seasons aren't coming). He definitely wouldn't be getting saves in LAD.

This is straight up Jeter Downs or GTFO for me. Include a low level prospect and "Vallimont" it over to them too if they want. Soriano type?

Downs is interesting. He has (eyeball roundball) a .950 OPS vs LHP / .730 OPS vs RHP on a 2 year split. He can play 2B, SS, probably 3B, and the OF. Sounds like he could turn into a play everywhere Marwin who is a must start against lefties, and perfect for a NL bench otherwise.

Now combine that with L. Diaz sitting against lefties and Cooper flip flopping to 1B/LF AND/OR Didi absolutely does not hit lefties (he's like an .850 OPS vs RHP and .675 vs LHP on splits since 2017) if that is their longterm SS plan.

I'm into that big time.

Also into Nick Anderson throwing bullets.

[rmc523]

This is probably just my ignorance, but why would any of these guys need to be listed as PTBNL? I was thinking the fact that a PTBNL was included implied that it was maybe someone from this year's draft.

Here's the MLB definition of PTBNL:

When clubs consent to include a player to be named later (often abbreviated PTBNL) in a trade, they agree to decide upon or announce the final player involved in that trade at a later date.

Using a PTBNL can be especially advantageous after the non-waiver Trade Deadline, as players that would otherwise be required to first clear waivers can be included in the trade as a PTBNL -- provided they are not on the 25-man roster -- and officially sent to their new club once waiver clearance is no longer mandatory for a trade.

In other instances, the club sending the PTBNL away will provide the acquiring club with a list of players from which to select the PTBNL. In such cases, an agreed-upon deadline -- by which the acquiring club must select the PTBNL -- will often be set.

Thought it might help, but it doesn't lol.

[Nick]

When did PTBNL become a thing, and why? Seems like there's so much grey area in there. I'm surprised there's never been a situation where a PTBNL has been involved in a trade, and then there being a huge blow-up between the two teams months later because they're disagreeing on the player. Just say as soon as a player is drafted that player is eligible to be traded. Want to trade for injured player? Sorry can't do it. Wait until he can pass a physical. It would simplify things so much.

[fish16]

When did PTBNL become a thing, and why? Seems like there's so much grey area in there. I'm surprised there's never been a situation where a PTBNL has been involved in a trade, and then there being a huge blow-up between the two teams months later because they're disagreeing on the player. Just say as soon as a player is drafted that player is eligible to be traded. Want to trade for injured player? Sorry can't do it. Wait until he can pass a physical. It would simplify things so much.

ive gotta think there are concrete guidelines between choosing between players ahead of time. Dont see how MLB would allow it otherwise. Or maybe it is a recent draft pick wo cant be traded yet?