2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Namaste]

Off-season already a total success

Bally Sports IS NOT RENEWING HOLLANDSWORTH’S CONTRACT

[lou]

I actually don't see going into the season with Fortes as the catcher is the worst thing.
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He had a good 200 ABs and did it with a BABIP under 200. I think he is fine and if you have to address the position at the deadline you can.

I think that would be pretty disappointing. They need a veteran upgrade to help with the younger pitching staff. Backup sure. If he beats out Jackson/Henry, it's all yours.

I honestly don't want to go into the season anywhere where the solution is, if we're contending let's deal with it in July. The floor should be a playoff ready roster on paper day 1. At most, it's leaving De La Cruz on the bench and Okert as the last reliever..... or Fortes as the backup catcher, and you can get a veteran bench guy or luxury upgrade later if needed.

Next year is different for me. No more dicking around just to save money with a fringe prospect like Fortes starting. This team is going to be really good adding presumably these 4-5 last guys to the roster.

[Madman81]

Off-season already a total success

Bally Sports IS NOT RENEWING HOLLANDSWORTH’S CONTRACT

LFG

[fish16]

Off-season already a total success

Bally Sports IS NOT RENEWING HOLLANDSWORTH’S CONTRACT

after 3 years of review they determined its not a great broadcast team if they sound so similar you have no idea who is talking. I wish they would just bring back Rich Waltz. Severino just feels like a national tv broadcaster too much to me. I don't want an obnoxious homer but Rich really was great at making it feel like a true local broadcast

[Namaste]

after 3 years of review they determined its not a great broadcast team if they sound so similar you have no idea who is talking. I wish they would just bring back Rich Waltz. Severino just feels like a national tv broadcaster too much to me. I don't want an obnoxious homer but Rich really was great at making it feel like a true local broadcast

Them sounding alike was a thing when they first started together. Holly’s issues run far deeper than that.

[lou]

Also, just want to point out the Florida Panther's payroll is roughly $35 million dollars more than the Marlins right now.

Hockey.

HOCKEY.

[rmc523]

after 3 years of review they determined its not a great broadcast team if they sound so similar you have no idea who is talking. I wish they would just bring back Rich Waltz. Severino just feels like a national tv broadcaster too much to me. I don't want an obnoxious homer but Rich really was great at making it feel like a true local broadcast

I think Rich just got hired by the Angels in the middle of this past season to be their PBP guy, unfortunately. I wanted him back too.

I'm just glad Holly is gone - Severino, while still too national sounding, at least has gotten better over the last couple seasons. Holly just seemed to get more and more annoying, to my point.

Sounded like Tommy would be open to doing some analyst stuff, though not 162 games at his age.

[sports24/7]

In Barry Jackson's article about them dropping Hollandsworth, he mentions that the Marlins TV deal went from $18M annually to what's believed to be over $50M per year. So not factoring in the naming rights, or Chen's deal off the books, that's immediately over $32M added to the books starting this year. I can't fathom how they could sell the idea that they can only to add about $40M in salary.

[fish16]

I think Rich just got hired by the Angels in the middle of this past season to be their PBP guy, unfortunately. I wanted him back too.

I'm just glad Holly is gone - Severino, while still too national sounding, at least has gotten better over the last couple seasons. Holly just seemed to get more and more annoying, to my point.

Sounded like Tommy would be open to doing some analyst stuff, though not 162 games at his age.

I think Tommy doing the home games and one of the current analysts doing road games makes sense.

[rmc523]

I think Tommy doing the home games and one of the current analysts doing road games makes sense.

I'd be ok with that......though I wonder if they're continuing the virtual all broadcasted from south Florida (home in Miami, away in FTL studios), which would mean Tommy could do either.

[emkayseven]

You're all too funny. It's like you've never been Marlins fans before.

At the risk of sounding like Madman, they're going to sign Kurt Suzuki and Kole Calhoun and tout them like they're difference makers. This is the team that made a hype video for Anthony Bass less than a year ago. Tigers don't change their stripes.

I do suspect they'll trade for a bat or bats, but I can't imagine any of the better names mentioned here being signed.

[lou]

You're all too funny. It's like you've never been Marlins fans before.

At the risk of sounding like Madman, they're going to sign Kurt Suzuki and Kole Calhoun and tout them like they're difference makers. This is the team that made a hype video for Anthony Bass less than a year ago. Tigers don't change their stripes.

I do suspect they'll trade for a bat or bats, but I can't imagine any of the better names mentioned here being signed.

I'd be surprised.

Like, Fangraphs this season said Rogers and Pablo were top 50 valued players in the league, with Sandy and Jazz as "honorable mentions." I think it's fair to swap Sandy and Pablo at this point, but that is 4 really premium young players.

Combine that with four current/former top 20-40 overall prospect SP arms (Sixto, Cabrera, Luzardo, Meyer), as well as numerous good secondary arms (Hernandez, Thompson, Bender, Floro, etc.), and some very solid everyday starters even if no stars (Rojas, Anderson, Aguilar, Sanchez)..... I'm not sure they can make a justification for doing nothing like Suzuki/Calhoun when payroll is around $45m, bottom 20-25 payroll money is $85m, the Rays event spent $70m, they only need 4-5 more guys, and they just got major cash influx with TV/Naming rights.

I see something notable coming. Maybe not as far as we want, but if they just match the Rays money (this should be the minimum), that could be $30-35 millionish to spend on 3-4 guys. Like, trade Pablo and Bass for Marsh and friends, DFA/trade Cooper for whatever, and you have $30m to spend on an everyday bat, starting catcher, a backup infielder, and a lefty bullpen arm. And that's at $70m - Rays money. They can fit someone like Castellanos, and ordinary C/backup IF/loogy into that budget for sure. And that's ignoring they could trade a 2nd major pitcher for the catcher so that might look really good if it's someone like Carson Kelly.

This is honestly their year. Maybe they go nuclear like the Canes and Dolphins which would be sad, but I don't see them wasting a year of the pitching after a rebuild struggle. As said before, if they don't do it to some degree, that's going to be it for many many people. I'm just going to become a hockey fan because the Panthers can even afford $80m a year players, which is the equivalent of signing a Correa/Seager/Bryant from my limited hockey payroll knowledge. When hockey is radically outspending you in South Florida, I think one has to self reflect and fix the issue. I am cautiously optimistic, but we'll see.

[rmc523]

Here's MLBTR's arb predictions.

Marlins (13)

• Jesus Aguilar – $7.4MM
• Richard Bleier – $2.5MM
• Jorge Alfaro – $2.7MM
• Garrett Cooper – $3.0MM
• Dylan Floro – $2.4MM
• Brian Anderson – $4.5MM
• Elieser Hernandez – $1.4MM
• Sandy Alcantara – $4.5MM
• Pablo Lopez – $2.5MM
• Lewis Brinson – $1.3MM
• Jon Berti – $1.2MM
• Magneuris Sierra – $700K
• Jeff Brigham – $600K

At minimum, the bold (Sierra and Brinson) can be dumped for around 2M savings. Sierra is beyond useless, and Brinson's time is up for me - if he goes on and does decently with another team, so be it - he's had chances here and never taken the opportunity, whether it's pressure or what, he just hasn't gotten it done. Move on Marlins.


The italics are other question marks at best for another potential 7.5M savings. I'm not advocating dumping Cooper, just saying he could be moved somehow as others have discussed. I'd rather keep him if we can confirm the DH which would be good for him and his injury history, with some occasional 1B games to get other guys rest. Alfaro - guess they could keep him as a backup? But getting expensive for a guy that can't hit, can't catch, can't call a good game, and has passed balls every other pitch. I'd rather have a Mathis-esque backup that's great at game calling/defense. I know they like Berti, and I have too, but as the price tag climbs and he didn't do as well this past year, do they keep him? Brigham, I honestly don't know enough about - is he worth keeping?

[Madman81]

alfaro is absolutely a nontender, right? let him come back for a quarter of that if he wants.

[lou]

Here's MLBTR's arb predictions.

Marlins (13)

• Jesus Aguilar – $7.4MM
• Richard Bleier – $2.5MM
• Jorge Alfaro – $2.7MM
• Garrett Cooper – $3.0MM
• Dylan Floro – $2.4MM
• Brian Anderson – $4.5MM
• Elieser Hernandez – $1.4MM
• Sandy Alcantara – $4.5MM
• Pablo Lopez – $2.5MM
• Lewis Brinson – $1.3MM
• Jon Berti – $1.2MM
• Magneuris Sierra – $700K
• Jeff Brigham – $600K

At minimum, the bold (Sierra and Brinson) can be dumped for around 2M savings. Sierra is beyond useless, and Brinson's time is up for me - if he goes on and does decently with another team, so be it - he's had chances here and never taken the opportunity, whether it's pressure or what, he just hasn't gotten it done. Move on Marlins.


The italics are other question marks at best for another potential 7.5M savings. I'm not advocating dumping Cooper, just saying he could be moved somehow as others have discussed. I'd rather keep him if we can confirm the DH which would be good for him and his injury history, with some occasional 1B games to get other guys rest. Alfaro - guess they could keep him as a backup? But getting expensive for a guy that can't hit, can't catch, can't call a good game, and has passed balls every other pitch. I'd rather have a Mathis-esque backup that's great at game calling/defense. I know they like Berti, and I have too, but as the price tag climbs and he didn't do as well this past year, do they keep him? Brigham, I honestly don't know enough about - is he worth keeping?

My thoughts here:

• Jesus Aguilar – $7.4MM - High by at least $1m
• Richard Bleier – $2.5MM - relatively agree
• Jorge Alfaro – $2.7MM -- agree
• Garrett Cooper – $3.0MM - High by $.5m
• Dylan Floro – $2.4MM -- agree with some influx of saves
• Brian Anderson – $4.5MM -- agree
• Elieser Hernandez – $1.4MM - will take the over by a little
• Sandy Alcantara – $4.5MM - will take the over, maybe by up to $1m. This is a bad projection with how good 2021 was
• Pablo Lopez – $2.5MM - will take the over, maybe by up to $1.25m as his effectiveness may trump quantity of innings
• Lewis Brinson – $1.3MM - agree, quantity of playing gives him a decent raise
• Jon Berti – $1.2MM - relatively agree
• Magneuris Sierra – $700K - agree
• Jeff Brigham – $600K - agree

Bold - keep
Italics - probably keep maybe trade/DFA if you can replace them easily
Nothing - Trade if you can, DFA

Bolds obvious. Aguilar makes a lot, so if you can use that money for a comparable free agent OF, you can just outright cut him and call it a trade. Depending on who other FA are, might be good to get rid of Aguilar or Cooper to have more infield depth. Bleier same situation. If you can replace him for cheaper in FA, just do it. Berti is same situation, can you upgrade with that money or just keep him as he's fine to start the year as a backup. Cooper same, are you keeping Aguilar and what other OF are you bringing in. Brigham is a keep if he is healthy and a camp arm you can cut for nothing. He looked good at times when he was healthy so I'd take a shot and hope you don't get Steckenrider'd again. Alfaro, Brinson, and Sierra are hard DFA's.

It's basically this as the offense. All aboard the major CF and major bat for 2B/SS/3B/Corner-OF train and move Jazz/Rojas/Anderson as needed.

_____, Fortes/Whoever
Aguilar/Cooper, L. Diaz
Jazz
Rojas, Berti
Anderson, _______
Sanchez, De La Cruz
______
______/Cooper


Also if I am wrong and Pablo is that cheap, he's even more valuable in trade as this depresses Arb2-3. He will get them a fortune. Much more than Meyer. He's the one.