Let's All Yell About Larry Beinfest!

[Valid]

I mean, they basically had to decide between committing long-term to one or the other, correct?

[Bobbob1313]

Kind of.

But not really.

Cabrera made $65 million over the next four seasons after he was traded. Hanley made $25.

They didn't really have much to do with each other.

[lou]

As far as Cabrera goes, wasn't it basically "choose between Hanley and Miggy," and the FO chose Hanley?

I am referring to not buying out Miguel Cabrera to a "Hank Blalock" type deal post 2004 (high comp was around 6 years $30 million. So disappointing). There was 0% reason for the organization not to sign Cabrera for 5-6 years at that point. It is the single biggest fuck up of this Marlins administration. Much worse than the actual trade for Cabrera, as that made sense on paper at least getting two top 15 prospects and not dishing out a $150 million contract. Buying him out erases that problem, and keeps Cabrera on the team through 09/10 minimum. I'd imagine he was the "missing piece" those years.

[Swifty]

By 2008 they were so far into Cabrera's service clock that it wasn't a choice. If they were smart (and we know they're not) the Marlins easily could have kept both. Miggy should have been bought out after the '05 firesale, Hanley after 2007's I may be better than Miggy routine.

The only link, really, is that they were teammates and seemed destined for the HoF, other than that one has very little to do with the other.
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Or, looking at it another way, if the 2007 offseason featured a Hanley trade instead of a Miggy trade, there's still no way the Marlins were going to give Miggy the 7 year deal SFX was asking for to make him forgo free agency post 2009.

[lou]

Saying that, as I have developed this Beinfest gets strike one for 06-11, and strike two for 2012 season, theory.

Not buying out Stanton this offseason is strike 3. I am done with this front office if they don't get it done.
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Its not rocket science, Colorado already did the work

Carlos Gonzalez of
7 years/$80M (2011-17)

7 years/$80M (2011-17)
signed extension with Colorado 1//11/11
$3M signing bonus
11:$1M, 12:$5M, 13:$7.5M, 14:$10.5M, 15:$16M, 16:$17M, 17:$20M
$1M assignment bonus if traded

[Party]

These are the men quoting batting averages on a TV show. Long term thinking isn't in their vocabulary.

[Omar]

Saying that, as I have developed this Beinfest gets strike one for 06-11, and strike two for 2012 season, theory.

Not buying out Stanton this offseason is strike 3. I am done with this front office if they don't get it done.

Just curiosity, but why does he get a strike for a six year period and another strike for a one year one?

[Swifty]

Just curiosity, but why does he get a strike for a six year period and another strike for a one year one?

Because he's saying the biggest gripes in those years are, at least partially, related to, or deriving from, ownership. Which I don't think is entirely accurate. He made a lot of (bad) trades and he drafted a lot of bad players. That he had a small budget to work with doesn't completely excuse the fact that he routinely mismanaged assets.

[emkayseven]

I'd imagine the payroll reason is why 06-11 counts as one strike. His hands were pretty much tied, they were not this year.

I've seen JCR say many times that he doesn't think they'll buy him out till after 2013. That is going to piss me off big time.

[lou]

I'd imagine the payroll reason is why 06-11 counts as one strike. His hands were pretty much tied, they were not this year.

I've seen JCR say many times that he doesn't think they'll buy him out till after 2013. That is going to piss me off big time.

It's the payroll. It changes everything from keeping guys, to the draft, to whatever. He did a nice job not pumping out a 50 win team those years with all that youth. But yea, like Swift says. There could have been better drafting, and even though the Cabrera trade wasn't terrible on paper, they caused the situation, and in reality, it flopped fucking hard. The Marlins have Ryan Webb and Zach Cox from that trade, and that's it.
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But at the same time, what if

-Beinfest wanted to buyout Cabrera, and Loria said no. Causing his eventual trade from organization.
-Beinfest gets his manager and not Girardi (who blew out JJ, Anibal, and Nolasco in my opinion by mismanagement)
-Beinfest has middle of the pack payroll to patch a few holes and not Abercrombie-it
-Beinfest does not have to skimp on draft slot and can go after a few 'better' guys
-Beinfest is allowed to trade Hanley sooner
-Beinfest does not sign Buck and Bell

This is a Loria hit list here. I mean, we don't really know, but I think the writing is on the wall about a lot of those moves. Can we crucify the dude for these massive decisions if the owner is playing the cards? How different would things be with even half of those things changed?

That's why I think he gets another shot. He has until July 31, 2013 to get within 5 games of the wild card. I'm not opposed to this. Unless of course they don't sign Stanton. Then they are dead to me.

[Miamarlin21]

But didn't Loria want Girardi then got pissed at him?

[Beef]

ehe Girardi, TheDon loved that guy

[Namaste]

ehe Girardi, TheDon loved that guy

TheDon was a spineless dick. I'd boot stomp that guy given the chance.

With that said, managers have like zero influence on the outcome of baseball games.

A fucking monkey could have done what Joe Torre did.

[Jay]

I'm with lou, Girardi completely fucked some very good arms when they were rookies.

[Swifty]

Woah woah woah, let's slow down.

Oliver Perez came back from the exact same rain delay that JJ did in '06 and didn't suffer serious injury. That's such a lame excuse that someone caused him to become fragile. A strong gust of wind could injure him. Anibal was already dealing with serious non-specific nerve damage with Boston before the Marlins acquired him. Ricky has yet to go on the DL. But yeah, tailor any narrative you want.

Also, lou, why do you give a shit about the Stanton extension? The Hanley one got him an extra 3 months with the team. Whoopedy fucking doo. Under Loria, the Marlins have agreed to 3 "long-term" contracts (5 years or more guaranteed because, in theory, 10/5 rights could vest in the course of the deal) - Delgado, Hanley, and Reyes. Two were traded before the contract concluded and the third is in year one. Extending Stanton means shit with this group.