Mainge's Top 10 NFL Players at Each Position

[Mainge]

Because I'm bored. Was going to do a top 100 players list but didn't.


Quarterback
1. Aaron Rodgers, GB
2. Drew Brees, NO
3. Tom Brady, NE
4. Peyton Manning, IND
5. Phillip Rivers, SD
6. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT
7. Eli Manning, NYG
8. Tony Romo, DAL
9. Michael Vick, PHI
10. Matt Schaub, HOU

Runningback
1. Adrian Peterson, MIN
2. LeSean McCoy, PHI
3. Darren McFadden, OAK
4. Ray Rice, BAL
5. Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX
6. Arian Foster, HOU
7. Steven Jackson, STL
8. Frank Gore, SF
9. Michael Turner, ATL
10. Chris Johnson, TEN

Wide Receiver
1. Calvin Johnson, DET
2. Andre Johnson, HOU
3. Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
4. Mike Wallace. PIT
5. Greg Jennings, GB
6. Roddy White, ATL
7. Vincent Jackson, SD
8. Miles Austin, DAL
9. Wes Welker, NE
10. Brandon Marshall, MIA

Tight End
1. Rob Gronkoswki, NE
2. Jimmy Graham, NO
3. Heath Miller, PIT
4. Antonio Gates, SD
5. Jason Witten, DAL
6. Tony Gonzalez, ATL
7. Aaron Hernandez, NE
8. Kyle Rudolph, MIN
9. Jermichael Finley, GB
10.Tony Scheffler, DET

Tackle
1. Joe Thomas, CLE
2. Tyron Smith, DAL
3. Duane Brown, HOU
4. Eric Winston, HOU
5. Jake Long, MIA
6. Bryan Bulaga, GB
7. Brandon Albert, KC
8. Dave Stewart , TEN
9. Jason Peters, PHI
10. Tyson Clabo, ATL

Guard
1. Carl Nicks, PHI
2. Evan Mathis, NO
3. Marshall Yanda, BAL
4. Andy Levitre, BUF
5. Chad Rinehurt, BUF
6. Brian Waters, NE
7. Steve Hutchison, MIN
8. Ben Grubbs, BAL
9. Jahri Evans, NO
10. Mike Iupati, SF

Center
1. Nick Mangold, NYJ
2. Chris Myers, HOU
3. Eric Wood, BUF
4. Alex Mack, CLE
5. Scott Wells, GB
6. Jeff Saturday, IND
7. Ryan Kalil, CAR
8. Samson Satele, OAK
9. Matt Birk, BAL
10. Todd McClure, ATL

4-3 Defensive End
1. Trent Cole, PHI
2. Terrell Suggs, BAL
3. Jason Paul Pierre, NYG
4. Jared Alen, MIN
5. Jason Babin, PHI

3-4 Defensive End
1. Justin Smith, SF
2. Ray McDonald, SF
3. Randy Starks, MIA
4. JJ Watt, HOU
5. Calais Campbell, ARI

4-3 Outside Linebacker
1. Von Miller, DEN
2. Kamerion Wimbley, OAK
3. Manny Lawson, CIN
4. Jerod Mayo, NE
5. Mathias Kiwanuka, NYG

3-4 Outside Linebacker
1. DeMarcus Ware, DAL
2. Cameron Wake, MIA
3. Aldon Smith, SF
4. James Harrison, PIT
5. Tamba Hali, KC

Defensive Tackle
1. Geno Atkins, CIN
2. Perrnell McPhee, BAL
3. Jay Ratliff, DAL
4. Marcel Dareus, BUF
5. Sione Pouha, NYJ
6. Broderick Bunkley, DEN
7. John Henderson, OAK
8. Haloti Ngata, BAL
9. Alan Branch, SEA
10. Kevin Williams, MIN

Inside Linebacker
1. Patrick Willis, SF
2. Brian Cushing, HOU
3. Derrick Johnson, KC
4. Ray Lewis, BAL
5. Paul Poslusny, JAX
6. NaVarro Bowmam, SF
7. D'Qwell Jackson, CLE
8. Sean Lee, DAL
9. London Fletcher, WAS
10. Stephen Tulloch, DET

Cornerback
1. Darrelle Revis, NYJ
2. Courtland Finnegan, TEN
3. Brandon Flowers, KC
4. Lardarious Webb, BAL
5. Brent Grimes, ATL
6. Joe Haden, CLE
7. Johnathan Joseph, HOU
8. Asante Samuel, PHI
9. Carlos Rogers, SF
10. Richard Sherman, SEA

Safety
1. Troy Polamalu, PIT
2. Eric Weddle, SD
3. Nate Allen, PHI
4. Adrian Wilson, ARZ
5. Jairus Byrd, BUF
6. Ed Reed, BAL
7. Earl Thomas, SEA
8. Kam Chancellor, SEA
9. Donte Whitner, SF
10. Michael Griffin, TEN




Please discuss, critique, whatever

[Metes]

I can't make DMC a top 5 guy because he can't stay healthy
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Also I would probably take Ray Rice over any other RB

[Chewford]

Pretty nice list, Mainge. I would put Peyton higher than Brady, and I wouldn't ever put Peyton on the Patriots either.


Here's mine. I put a lot of thought into it.


Quarterback
1. Tim Tebow, DEN

[Mainge]

Yeah I struggled with McFadden cause of that but when he's right, he's amazing.

[Hugg]

I'm biased, but I'd take AJ Green over half those guys at WR. And I do mean right now.

Geno Atkins is so good.
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4-3 Outside Linebacker
3. Manny Lawson, CIN

8/2/11

Hugg: Bengals sign Manny Lawson

Mainge: Manny sucks. He's also sort of out of position in that defense. (http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php?p=185516&postcount=782)


Zimmer?

[Mainge]

I'm biased, but I'd take AJ Green over half those guys at WR. And I do mean right now.

Geno Atkins is so good.

You could make an argument to put him in there, I agree. I don't imagine I'll be leaving him out this time next year.

Obviously we agree on Atkins.

[The Hanram]

7 former Canes on that list that I counted...nice.

[Mainge]

I'm biased, but I'd take AJ Green over half those guys at WR. And I do mean right now.

Geno Atkins is so good.
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8/2/11

Hugg: Bengals sign Manny Lawson

Mainge: Manny sucks. He's also sort of out of position in that defense. (http://soflamarlins.com/showpost.php?p=185516&postcount=782)


Zimmer?

Mainge sucks. Not playing against a tackle/set the edge every day really allowed him to make use of his athleticism. His biggest con was his strength at the point of attack but it's not his job to set the edge in 43 fronts, it's the ends.

So yeah, paid professional top 5 defensive coordinator Mike Zee 1; amateur know it all smart ass 0.

[Fritz]

I'm shocked you don't have either Pouncey on the Center list.

[Chewford]

Mainge sucks. Not playing against a tackle/set the edge every day really allowed him to make use of his athleticism. .

Come again?

[Mainge]

Come again?
Meant to say every play. A strongside 3-4 outside linebacker generally goes up against offensive tackles every play. On run plays, it's their responsibility to set the edge, meaning not allowing runningbacks to go outside of them, while also not allowing the running back to go inside. They have to squeeze the play shut from outside-in.

Lawson lacks the upper body strength to consistently do that, but he doesn't have to in Cincys d.

[DropkickAlex]

Footballsfuture.com has a lot of regular guys doing voting like this all the time so if you want I suggest going over there to see some other opinions. I see you underrating Long though for sure.

[Madman81]

I'd rather have Vernon Davis than half the guys on the TE list.

[dim]

5. Jake Long

lulz.

on the other spectrum of things

8. Kyle Rudolph

lolwat!?

[Mainge]

Footballsfuture.com has a lot of regular guys doing voting like this all the time so if you want I suggest going over there to see some other opinions. I see you underrating Long though for sure.

Long has played like crap since the game last year against Chicago. I don't think his shoulder has healed from that injury, to be honest. He's going to keep falling if he doesn't turn it around soon.

I'd rather have Vernon Davis than half the guys on the TE list.

For all of his physical gifts, he's among the worst blocking tight ends in the league, he's been the most penalized TE over the last few years, is 25th in yards per catch, 23rd in YAC, is 20th in catch able target catch percentage, and is a fucking moron.

He's been massively overrated for a while.

5. Jake Long

lulz.

on the other spectrum of things

8. Kyle Rudolph

lolwat!?

Rudolph, like Miller, is basically an extra tackle who can run and catch. His blocking makes him extremely valuable and he's efficient in the passing game

[DropkickAlex]

You missed Rubin for your DTs.

[Namaste]

Cool list.

I would have thought Ed Reed would have placed higher but I don't know shit about NFL

[MiamiHomer]

I believe he means right now which would explain Reed's ranking since he's lost a step or two with age and injury.

Von Miller and Aldon Smith are two of my favorite NFL players right now. I can watch film of them all day.

[Mainge]

You missed Rubin for your DTs.

Nah. =P

[Erick]

How come you didn't separate 4-3 DT's and 3-4 nose tackles?

[Mainge]

Their roles aren't dissimilar enough to separate them.
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Long has played like crap since the game last year against Chicago. I don't think his shoulder has healed from that injury, to be honest. He's going to keep falling if he doesn't turn it around soon

To further elaborate on this, last year Jake long gave up 6 total QB Pressures over the first 10 weeks of the 2010 season. For those who don't know, a QB pressure is either a sack, QB hit, or QB hurry. In the remaining 6 weeks after his injury against Tennessee, he gave up 15 QB Pressures, giving him 21 on the year. It was still the least amount of pressures allowed that year but he went from lapping the field to barely squeaking it out.

After missing the majority of this years training camp nursing that same injury, he was pretty average out there. His total QB Pressures given up is 13th but he's that high that's because he's missed a lot of time this season. His snap count to QB pressure Allowed ratio is 22nd.

He's not the dominant tackle he used to be. Hopefully he can rest up this offseason.

[Mainge]

I'm shocked you don't have either Pouncey on the Center list.

Maurkice was pretty shitty this year and Mike hit a rookie wall down the stretch. If I do this every year (and I plan on it), I imagine we'll see them both up there down the road.

[Madman81]

For all of his physical gifts, he's among the worst blocking tight ends in the league, he's been the most penalized TE over the last few years, is 25th in yards per catch, 23rd in YAC, is 20th in catch able target catch percentage, and is a fucking moron.

He's been massively overrated for a while.


I haven't heard that at all about his blocking. Like from Mike Singletary (lulz), when he said that "I don't know if there's ever been a tight end that can block better than Vernon Davis." Or Matt Williamson, from Scouts Inc., from before the season, when he said that "He is a tenacious blocker -- not a great blocker, but he can be a good one at times."

I don't recall hardly any penalties on Vernon this season, and I religiously watched every game. I don't have much memory of penalties in the couple seasons before that, but it seems a bit off to criticize him for penalties in those years while giving no credit for production. Would love to see some data on those penalties.

I don't think a team taking away emphasis from the passing game that results in down receiving stats for all players is a move that makes any player less of a player.

And the part about him being a fucking moron is just silly. I would love some reasoning for that, with all character stories from the past couple of seasons beingt all about his positive attitude and increased role as a team leader. I hope there's a better reason for that comment than last year's pre-season skirmish when he encouraged Crabtree to dislodge his head from his ass or the year's old sillyness with Singletary kicking him off the field during a game. (I emphasize the year's old part here and not with the Singletary quote earlier because I think one's attitude and character can be drastically overhauled whereas I don't think Vernon suddenly lost his discussed blocking ability.)

All in all, I think it's perfectly fair to knock someone down/off a list for top seasons or players that year, but the title of this list implies that it's about the best players. I don't think a down statistical season that results from something other than a decrease in physical ability makes a player less talented or good.

Just my thoughts.

[Mainge]

I appreciate the response. I don't really care about any of Mike Singletary's lip service, or whoever Mike Williams is. Anyone that watches him play, knows he cannot block. That's not up for debate.

He's had 24 penalties called against him over the last 3 years, most in in the league. Amazingly he's only had 2 against him this year, but yeah.

I'm not penalizing him for a down year, he's been having this year for years now, he's just had less overall targets this year. The exception is last year, where he was more efficient with his targets, but that's he was pretty bad the previous 4 years beforehand.

[Madman81]

So, then, we do criticize him for penalties in years past while giving him no credit for performance in years past.

Also, I love the blanket anyone statements, but I haven't seen a single person, ever, besides you, say that he cannot block.

[Blackout Pact]

I don't see any Bears on that list.

[Mainge]

So, then, we do criticize him for penalties in years past while giving him no credit for performance in years past.

Also, I love the blanket anyone statements, but I haven't seen a single person, ever, besides you, say that he cannot block.

His good performance in years past is one good year out of 6. He's not had an exorbitant amount of penalties for one year out of the 3 years of information I have. If he's good on penalties for the 2nd year in a row, I'll stop using that to grade against him.

PFF also grades him very poorly as a blocker, FWIW.
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I don't see any Bears on that list.

Forte, Briggs, and Peppers all barely missed the cut.

[Erick]

So, then, we do criticize him for penalties in years past while giving him no credit for performance in years past.

Also, I love the blanket anyone statements, but I haven't seen a single person, ever, besides you, say that he cannot block.

The statistical evidence supports it. That's probably better than the next # of quotes you put up based on a person's opinion.

[Mainge]

The statistical evidence supports it. That's probably better than the next # of quotes you put up based on a person's opinion.

What numbers are you referring to? Would be interested in seeing them.

[Branch]

His good performance in years past is one good year out of 6. He's not had an exorbitant amount of penalties for one year out of the 3 years of information I have. If he's good on penalties for the 2nd year in a row, I'll stop using that to grade against him.

PFF also grades him very poorly as a blocker, FWIW.
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Forte, Briggs, and Peppers all barely missed the cut.

Now that you mention Forte, I don't see how you can put Chris Johnson on that RB list and not him, after their respective seasons this year.

[Mainge]

3 really fantastic seasons shouldn't be wiped out by a bad 10 weeks.

[Erick]

What numbers are you referring to? Would be interested in seeing them.

I was simply referring to the #'s you were putting up in this thread. It's better support than two quotes, which was my point.

[Mainge]

Ah.

[Branch]

3 really fantastic seasons shouldn't be wiped out by a bad 10 weeks.

Eh. Forte has been as good as or better than him 3 out of 4 years. 1700 yards from scrimmage in 08, and 1500 every year since. Only year that is a clear win for Johnson is 2009, in which he was better than everyone. I guess you can give it to him on merit of that alone, but it was 3 seasons ago now. Since then he's been no better or worse than Forte, by the numbers. And hypothetically, if Forte were to see as many carries as Johnson does, his numbers would likely be better as opposed to just equal.

[Mainge]

Eh. Forte has been as good as or better than him 3 out of 4 years. 1700 yards from scrimmage in 08, and 1500 every year since. Only year that is a clear win for Johnson is 2009, in which he was better than everyone. I guess you can give it to him on merit of that alone, but it was 3 seasons ago now. Since then he's been no better or worse than Forte, by the numbers. And hypothetically, if Forte were to see as many carries as Johnson does, his numbers would likely be better as opposed to just equal.

In their 4 years in the league:

Johnson has 7071 total yards and 42 TDs. Forte has 6218 total yards and 29 TDs. This coming after Forte's best year by far, while Johnson is coming off of his worst.

If last year happens again, I'll switch them.

[dim]

3 really fantastic seasons shouldn't be wiped out by a bad 10 weeks.

Then Jake Long should still be 1 or 1a.

inconsistent rationale is inconsistent.

[Mainge]

Then Jake Long should still be 1 or 1a.

inconsistent rationale is inconsistent.

Not sure what's inconsistent. Johnson dropped to 10 from top 5 due to a poor 10 weeks. Long dropped to 5 from 1 because of a bad year and a half.

Retard retard is retarded.

[Sandroimbuto]

In their 4 years in the league:

Johnson has 7071 total yards and 42 TDs. Forte has 6218 total yards and 29 TDs. This coming after Forte's best year by far, while Johnson is coming off of his worst.

If last year happens again, I'll switch them.

What are the yards per carry?

[Mainge]

4.8 to 4.2 in favor of Johnson

[Sandroimbuto]

I think that settles it.

[dim]

Not sure what's inconsistent. Johnson dropped to 10 from top 5 due to a poor 10 weeks. Long dropped to 5 from 1 because of a bad year and a half.

Retard retard is retarded.

That was surely the mature way to respond.

I'm not going to stoop to your level here. You are entitled to an opinion, and I disagree with that opinion. I will not resort to name calling...

[Mainge]

Your face is mature.
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That was surely the mature way to respond.

I'm not going to stoop to your level here. You are entitled to an opinion, and I disagree with that opinion. I will not resort to name calling...

Okay super serious guy, go ahead and support your argument with facts. Tell me why I'm wrong.

I'm pretty surprised anyone could watch Jake Long this year and see no drop off. He's not close to where he should be.

[dim]

He's been playing with an injury for like a year and a half. There's been a drop off, but I won't knock him because he's got incredible toughness to play through a torn bicep and whatever else he's played with throughout his career.

Hell, I think it's insulting to put him behind two lineman from Houston and a lineman from Dallas. I've watched Romo scramble a ton because of a lack of proper protection, and, while I'm not blaming their injuries on the lineman, two Houston QB's have been knocked down. Sure, I know run blocking played a part in your rankings, but the most important thing for a LT to do is to protect their QB's blindside. If I asked you to choose any LT's in the NFL, The only lineman who has a remote argument over Long is Thomas, that's it. I honestly think you looked at recent results and used it to determine a player's entire body of work. I'm not going to knock on Big Jake because he's a tough, tough dude who plays through injuries most players would sit an entire season with.

[Bobbob1313]

A season and a half is a really long time to play poorly, injury or not. That he's tough enough to play poorly through an injury does not mean he did not play poorly.

[Mainge]

I agree he's a tough guy but that's a double edged sword. If Jake Long is perennially average from here on out because he thought it was a good idea to play with no shoulder, he goes from being tough to just being stupid.

Yes, recent results weigh more heavily. It's a fact that he's been bad over the last year and a half. Injury or whatever, the production isn't there.

The other stuff isn't even worth mentioning. You're discrediting Houston because two of their QBs have been hurt, while ignoring the fact that both of their tackles allowed their QB to get hit less than Jake Long did, while also ignoring the fact that Miami lost it's starting QB too.

And you're discrediting Tyron Smith because you've seen Romo run around a lot.

I mean, c'mon Dim.

[dim]

Henne got hurt on a missed block by Colombo iirc.

[Sandroimbuto]

The Houston QBs got hurt after missed blocks by...?

[Mainge]

Henne got hurt on a missed block by Colombo iirc.

You're correct. How did Schaub and Leinart get hurt?

I don't know if it was either of their faults, but my overall point is, it shouldn't matter. They've allowed less hits to their QB. If the QB happens to get hurt on one of those hits, it doesn't make them worse than Jake Long, it makes them and Houston really unlucky.

[Madman81]

The statistical evidence supports it. That's probably better than the next # of quotes you put up based on a person's opinion.

What in the flying fuck are you talking about? You see blocking stats in here? Quotes are opinions of people who judge talent for a living, against someone who does it for a hobby. Seems pretty solid for a topic for which stats are lacking. Great post.

[Mainge]

What in the flying fuck are you talking about? You see blocking stats in here? Quotes are opinions of people who judge talent for a living, against someone who does it for a hobby. Seems pretty solid for a topic for which stats are lacking. Great post.

To properly deduce the crux of the matter, this needs to say poster with no ability to keep his team in proper prospective disagrees with rankings and uses quotes from a guy fired for incompetence to support his opinion. :mischief

In all seriousness, I respect your opinion but you're not going to change my mind without hard irrefutable evidence. I've seen close to every game he's ever played in and he's clearly a poor blocker. It's not the end all, be all, but using the same pass protection metric that I did with Jake Long earlier, Davis is 46th out of the 50 tight ends who played enough snaps to qualify in QB Pressures allowed to number of pass protection attempt ratio.

I've stated my case, and you obviously don't agree. That's fine. We can agree to disagree.

[Madman81]

To properly deduce the crux of the matter, this needs to say poster with no ability to keep his team in proper prospective disagrees with rankings and uses quotes from a guy fired for incompetence to support his opinion. :mischief

In all seriousness, I respect your opinion but you're not going to change my mind without hard irrefutable evidence. I've seen close to every game he's ever played in and he's clearly a poor blocker. It's not the end all, be all, but using the same pass protection metric that I did with Jake Long earlier, Davis is 46th out of the 50 tight ends who played enough snaps to qualify in QB Pressures allowed to number of pass protection attempt ratio.

I've stated my case, and you obviously don't agree. That's fine. We can agree to disagree.

I'm totally cool with agreeing to disagree. I figured we would. I actually can keep my team in proper *perspective* (zing :mischief ), as I wouldn't have Frank Gore anywhere on your top 10, and I'm a big fan of the guy.

The anger in my response is in regards to a dipshit poster who doesn't have the slightest fuck of a clue of what he's talking about thinking he's cool and funny to interject himself into the discussion, referencing incorrect things and showing himself to be a rusty cunt bucket.

[Mainge]

I'm totally cool with agreeing to disagree. I figured we would. I actually can keep my team in proper *perspective* (zing :mischief ), as I wouldn't have Frank Gore anywhere on your top 10, and I'm a big fan of the guy.

The anger in my response is in regards to a dipshit poster who doesn't have the slightest fuck of a clue of what he's talking about thinking he's cool and funny to interject himself into the discussion, referencing incorrect things and showing himself to be a rusty cunt bucket.

Good catch on perspective. :fip

It was really late and Bobbob had just ripped my heart out on a game winning buzzer beater 3 with Gallinari on NBA 2K12

[Erick]

I'm totally cool with agreeing to disagree. I figured we would. I actually can keep my team in proper *perspective* (zing :mischief ), as I wouldn't have Frank Gore anywhere on your top 10, and I'm a big fan of the guy.

The anger in my response is in regards to a dipshit poster who doesn't have the slightest fuck of a clue of what he's talking about thinking he's cool and funny to interject himself into the discussion, referencing incorrect things and showing himself to be a rusty cunt bucket.

Feel better now?

Mainge's argument is supported with statistics. Your argument has the support of saying that you've never heard anyone say he's bad at blocking and using two quotes from two guys. One of the guys is a coach who was recently fired and is clearly being biased in his statement. The other quote is from a scout who's basically saying that he's not really that good at it, but he totally doesn't suck all the time so yay!

I think it's pretty clear who has the better case for his statements here and the hint is that it's not the retard I'm responding to right now.

[Mainge]

To be fair to Madman, I hadn't brought any stats to the VD debate when you had made that point. I had just found the pass protection efficiency thing for tight ends last night.

[Erick]

To be fair to Madman, I hadn't brought any stats to the VD debate when you had made that point. I had just found the pass protection efficiency thing for tight ends last night.

I disagree.

"25th in yards per catch, 23rd in YAC, is 20th in catch able target catch percentage"

"He's had 24 penalties called against him over the last 3 years, most in in the league."

...are all statistics on the first page of the thread supporting your reasoning behind the fact that you think he's overrated.

It might not be the best answer out there, but if the best you can do to counter that is use two quotes from two guys to support your opinion while insulting someone who jumps in, odds are your (Madman) argument sucks.

Who the fuck cares about what Mike Singletary says? I'm guessing he was coaching him at the time and was being biased in order to support his player. This is also the same guy who said "can't win with 'em, can't coach with 'em" when talking about the same player previously. His word should mean, at the most, very little.

What he (Madman) said sucked and he wouldn't have even wasted his time were it not for the fact that he's a 49ers fan.

[Mainge]

Ah yeah, I meant blocking stats, since that was the main point of contention in our argument and what those quotes defended.

[Erick]

Ah yeah, I meant blocking stats, since that was the main point of contention in our argument and what those quotes defended.

Well, taking the most penalties over the last 3 years doesn't exactly point to good blocking, to be fair.

It's also a top-10 list which means everything should be taken into account. The main point of his argument is that Davis should be on the list (that was his very first post in this thread). Even if you're underrating his blocking, the fact that his athleticism has led to underwhelming statistics in terms of yards per catch, YAC, etc. is certainly a relevant reason why he's not on the list.

Also, the quote from the scout sucks. "He is a tenacious blocker -- not a great blocker, but he can be a good one at times."
If that's what you're using to support your argument, that's pretty bad.
1. The scout, like all scouts, probably hasn't seen every one of his snaps.
2. The scout is barely giving him a compliment. He's specifically saying that he's not great at blocking. He is good...at times. In other words, he's inconsistent.

Seems like a quote that lacks clarity to me. Tim Tebow is good at times, too; that doesn't take away from the fact that he sucks, more often than not.

[Mainge]

You leave Timmy out of this!

[Chewford]

Brah, you don't even wanna go there, brah. People have died over lesser things, brah.

[Madman81]

Feel better now?

Mainge's argument is supported with statistics. Your argument has the support of saying that you've never heard anyone say he's bad at blocking and using two quotes from two guys. One of the guys is a coach who was recently fired and is clearly being biased in his statement. The other quote is from a scout who's basically saying that he's not really that good at it, but he totally doesn't suck all the time so yay!

I think it's pretty clear who has the better case for his statements here and the hint is that it's not the retard I'm responding to right now.

We were talking about blocking. You bolded the point about blocking.

You bolded my comment about blocking, just to say der Mainge is so teh rightz bcuz he uzed statistics.

Except there weren't any statistics about blocking, and you can't now point to the other stats, which I addressed in my original post, and say oh yeah that's what I was talking about, because it's wrong.