Florida Marlins @ Washington Nationals | 7:05 EST | 8/5

[FishFF]

VandenHurk vs. Lannan


Nationals vs. VandenHurk:

Ryan Zimmerman - 1-3, 2B, 1RBI, .333

Austin Kearns - 3-3, 1RBI, 1.000

Adam Dunn - 1-3, 2B, .333


Marlins vs. Lannan

John Baker - 2-4, 2B, HR, 2RBI, .500

Jorge Cantu - 2-5, 2B, HR, 3RBI, .400

Hanley Ramirez - 1-4, 2B, 1RBI, .250

:sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

[Ramp]

I got nothing

[marlins_virus.exe]

IHWGW

[FishFF]

IHWGWT

[marlins_virus.exe]

TFAWM

[Ramp]

Bonifacio starting in CF tonight

[nny]

Bonifacio starting in CF tonight

please tell me Cody is still in the line up

[Ramp]

LF Chris Coghlan
1B Nick Johnson
SS Hanley Ramirez
3B Jorge Cantu
2B Dan Uggla
RF Cody Ross
C Ronny Paulino
CF Emilio Bonifacio
RHP Rick VandenHurk

[nny]

fine w/ me

[marlins_virus.exe]

YES

[Bobbob1313]

Why not move boner to rf?

[nny]

cuz he's fast

[marlins_virus.exe]

weaker arm and he can cover more ground

[McLevin]

I love it

Now get Maybin up here

[¿NICK?]

I hate Hermida, but let's be honest. He's still quite a bit better than Bonifacio.

[nny]

I hate Hermida, but let's be honest. He's still quite a bit better than Bonifacio.

Hermida is bad against LHP and while Boner sucks offensively took it's probably a defensive boost.

Hermida has sat against LHP since June. So with BC down, it looks like Boner is his platoon partner.

[¿NICK?]

I have no idea if it's an defensive boost. Just getting Hermida out of there is a boost, but CF is by far the most important defensive position and I'd feel more comfortable with Ross out there opposed to someone who is unfamiliar with the position.

[marlins_virus.exe]

I have no idea if it's an defensive boost. Just getting Hermida out of there is a boost, but CF is by far the most important defensive position and I'd feel more comfortable with Ross out there opposed to someone who is unfamiliar with the position.
I'd say catcher

then shortstop

then maybe cf

[nny]

I'd say catcher

then shortstop

then maybe cf

statisically speaking this is correct

Catcher's defense is worth 12.3 runs
SS is worth 7
CF is tried with 2b and 3b at 2.3 runs
Then LF/RF (-7)
then 1b (-11.3)
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I have no idea if it's an defensive boost. Just getting Hermida out of there is a boost, but CF is by far the most important defensive position and I'd feel more comfortable with Ross out there opposed to someone who is unfamiliar with the position.

Bonifacio has outfield experience, I'm not sure if he has CF experience though.

[¿NICK?]

I'd say catcher

then shortstop

then maybe cf

I meant to say outfield position.

[marlins_virus.exe]

well rf is probably the most important place to have a strong and accurate arm so i wouldn't want someone who'd never played there out there

[MiamiHomer]

They have mentioned that Boner played LF in winter ball for the team he played for.

[¿NICK?]

I think having a strong-armed RF'er is overrated. It can be important to have a guy who has a reputation of a strong arm, because that can get into runners heads, but the number of times where that arm actually comes into play is minimal over the season.

[marlins_virus.exe]

lf would make the most sense but then you've got coghlan playing either cf or rf so you have him playing a position he's never played before and boner playing a position he's never played in the majors as opposed to coghlan playing a position he's been playing for 2+ months and has gotten comfortable with and boner playing a position he's never played before

[¿NICK?]

I'm saying I'd feel more comfortable with Ross in CF and Boner in RF.

[nny]

They have mentioned that Boner played LF in winter ball for the team he played for.

No, he played RF

the guy has of experience people

[McLevin]

I'm saying I'd feel more comfortable with Ross in CF and Boner in RF.
I probably would too, I'm sure Boner's arm would be adequate and it's not like Ross has the reputation of having a cannon
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The more I think about it, the less this is some drastic "statement" move: if Carroll were on the team, he'd be starting in RF today and we'd think nothing of it

[nny]

I probably would too, I'm sure Boner's arm would be adequate and it's not like Ross has the reputation of having a cannon
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The more I think about it, the less this is some drastic "statement" move: if Carroll were on the team, he'd be starting in RF today and we'd think nothing of it

SEcond part, yes, all it is is Boner taking BC's place of Hermida's platoon partner, why is anybody looking deeper into this?

[McLevin]

Well Hermida's epic failure last night and him not being in the lineup and a first-time defensive configuration could make people say OMG BIG CHANGE but really it's just the start of a trend of what the defense will look like vs LHP until Carroll gets called back up if he gets called back up

[marlins_virus.exe]

Ross was OK with the switch despite playing Gold Glove-caliber center this season because he knows that it's easier for a natural outfielder to shift to the corners than it is for a natural infielder because the angles of opposite-field hits are more difficult to judge. He laughed when he realized he was playing outfield surrounding by a couple of second basemen.

"You got to be more in control in center. Taking charge, that's the biggest thing,'' Ross said. "I know I'm not going to try to play second. They're just good athletes. They can play every position on the field.''

As far as Ross' Gold Glove ambitions being diminished if he moves out of center, he said: "I'd rather be in the playoffs.All that's kind of political.''

Bonifacio has started two games in left field this season, three at second, nine at short, and 82 at third. He was a late-inning replacement in center in one game and he remembered one ball going over his head.

"I'm excited just to be in the lineup,'' said Bonifacio, who started 37 games at second base for Washington last season. All three of his appearances with Arizona (before he was traded to the Nationals) were in the outfield, but none in center.

"I played center in the Dominican winter league the last two years,'' he added. "I came here for one reason, to play baseball anywhere they put me. They need me I'll be there.''

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/2009/08/bonifacio-not-left-out-because-of-johnson-trade.html

[Bobbob1313]

Before the game, I was thinking "RVHGGUAHRTAD".

[FishFF]

He certainly did

[Ramp]

sigh

[Bobbob1313]

Oh god...

Not the shoulder again.

Season over.

[FishFanInPA]

Man, this guy is frail. Granted that would hurt a lot of guys.

[Bobbob1313]

Man, this guy is frail. Granted that would hurt a lot of guys.

Maybe he actually gets hurt?

[all black marlins hat]

this is fucking incredible. the nationals? are you fucking serious?
The same team that misspelled their own name on their jerseys.

[wanks1212]

huge for rvh to get out of that jam

[FishFanInPA]

I understand their record sucks but their lineup is better then a lot of teams. This is a better team then their record.

[wanks1212]

can't give up HRs to ronnie belliard

[Beef]

I understand their record sucks but their lineup is better then a lot of teams. This is a better team then their record.

Meh, the fact that the name was wrong on their jerseys means they should win 0 games

[wanks1212]

well this sucks

[all black marlins hat]

This line up looks far superior than the Marlins line up.

[FishFanInPA]

Meh, the fact that the name was wrong on their jerseys means they should win 0 games

My bad. That does go above all.

[AdamRavs]

Losing the 1st 2 in this series is deff not good. Digging ourselves quite the hole now.. While the Giants and Rox continue push ahead. Hopefully we sweep philly this weekend.

[FishFanInPA]

This line up looks far superior than the Marlins line up.

It is. I'd take the Nats lineup over ours all day.

[all black marlins hat]

So much for needing a 5th starter.
Where's a 4th starter when you need him.

[AdamRavs]

It is. I'd take the Nats lineup over ours all day.

me too.. Esp with a true lead off hitter in Morgan

[all black marlins hat]

I have now changed the channel, and wish that I would have gone fishing again tonight.
But I told my friend that I wasn't up for it so I can stay home and watch the game.
Big mistake.

[Ramp]

fantastic

[Bobbob1313]

I wonder if people realize that Nyjer Morgan leads baseball in caught stealings this year. And that he has a .422 BABIP essentially since he was traded to Washington. And that when his average falls 60 points of so, he's not going to really be better than Coghlan, who has done a pretty good job since becoming our leadoff hitter on June 6. He has a .291/.352/.434/.786 line since becoming the leadoff hitter. Why the hell are people pining for Nyjer fucking Morgan? Because he had the best month of his entire life?

[nny]

adam dunn shouldn't ever play defense

[Beef]

Who pined for Nyjer?

[Bobbob1313]

me too.. Esp with a true lead off hitter in Morgan

Who pined for Nyjer?

Hi, beef.

[AdamRavs]

Who pined for Nyjer?

I said I like him in the leadoff spot... He is starting to put it together. His avg hasnt't fallen that 60 points lol

[Ramp]

Nyjer Morgan is a career .300 hitter with a career .360 OBP in 665 at bats. He's not too shabby.

[Bobbob1313]

I said I like him in the leadoff spot... He is starting to put it together. His avg hasnt't fallen that 60 points lol

Ok, if you think Nyjer Morgan is going to keep hitting .370, that's cool.

[AdamRavs]

Ok, if you think Nyjer Morgan is going to keep hitting .370, that's cool.

.300 is realistic.. Is Cogs hitting .300? stealing bases?

[Beef]

Hi, beef.

Hey bobs! Didn't I tell you bout Arav? Also he is only 1 people!

Yay rapid rewind music video style rewind!

[FishFanInPA]

Bob Squared likes to think that one man is everyone.

[AdamRavs]

Hey bobs! Didn't I tell you bout Arav? Also he is only 1 people!

Yay rapid rewind music video style rewind!

:lol

[nny]

Nyjer Morgan is a career .300 hitter with a career .360 OBP in 665 at bats. He's not too shabby.

with his defense i'd gladly take him over Coghlan

he's by no means amazing but it's not like Coghlan is either.

[Ramp]

Yea, what's wrong with liking Nyjer Morgan, Bobbob?

[Bobbob1313]

.300 is realistic.. Is Cogs hitting .300? stealing bases?

He was hitting .286 for his career before the trade with a .346 OBP. So basically Chris Coghlan. Except Coghlan is 5 years younger and should only get better. He also has a .100 point OPS advantage in the minors.

Nyjer Morgan isn't a terrible player, but he's probably not any better than Coghlan right now, and Coghlan's got a much better future.

I don't care that he's stolen 32 bases when he's been caught 15 times.

[AdamRavs]

Nyjer Morgan is a career .300 hitter with a career .360 OBP in 665 at bats. He's not too shabby.

He reminds me of J.P.
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He was hitting .286 for his career before the trade with a .346 OBP. So basically Chris Coghlan. Except Coghlan is 5 years younger and should only get better. He also has a .100 point OPS advantage in the minors.

Nyjer Morgan isn't a terrible player, but he's probably not any better than Coghlan right now, and Coghlan's got a much better future.

I don't care that he's stolen 32 bases when he's been caught 15 times.

Caught stealing can be worked on.. I don't see Cogs being much better if at all then Morgan. Time will tell obviously.

[Longview]

WGW

[Bobbob1313]

Nothing wrong with liking Nyjer Morgan, but let's not make him out to be anything more than he is. He had an absurd first month with Washington, which is great for them and him. He's probably a pretty good defensive player, but he's a career 67% base stealer and only 74% in the minors too.

I'm fine with not having a 29 year old who does those things, and I'll gladly take Coghlan over him for the future.

And it's not like you can say "Well, he started late because he was a hockey player" and all that that Rich and Tommy went over earlier, because he's a guy who put up .727 in AAA at 26 the first time around and then repeated with a .721 OPS at 27.

[AdamRavs]

Nothing wrong with liking Nyjer Morgan, but let's not make him out to be anything more than he is. He had an absurd first month with Washington, which is great for them and him. He's probably a pretty good defensive player, but he's a career 67% base stealer and only 74% in the minors too.

I'm fine with not having a 29 year old who does those things, and I'll gladly take Coghlan over him for the future.

Cogs doesn't have a future here.. unless the FO moves him back to 2nd which i think is reserved for boner..

[nny]

He was hitting .286 for his career before the trade with a .346 OBP. So basically Chris Coghlan. Except Coghlan is 5 years younger and should only get better. He also has a .100 point OPS advantage in the minors.

Nyjer Morgan isn't a terrible player, but he's probably not any better than Coghlan right now, and Coghlan's got a much better future.

I don't care that he's stolen 32 bases when he's been caught 15 times.

Considering defense he's a lot better player than coghlan right now

[Bobbob1313]

Cogs doesn't have a future here.. unless the FO moves him back to 2nd which i think is reserved for boner..

Well, that's not really the discussion. Even if we had Nyjer Morgan, he would have no future with this team.
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Considering defense he's a lot better player than coghlan right now

And baserunning?

[AdamRavs]

Well, that's not really the discussion. Even if we had Nyjer Morgan, he would have no future with this team.

true but i would rather have him right now.. Him leading off with NJ behind him would be much more attractive.

[FishFanInPA]

I like how crappy we look against a guy who the MASN announcers say doesnt have good stuff tonight.

[AdamRavs]

Well, that's not really the discussion. Even if we had Nyjer Morgan, he would have no future with this team.
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And baserunning?

I haven't looked but how many times has he been caught since he joined wash. Neither team is great but washington seems to have a better handle of getting the most out of their hitters.

[nny]

lol hammer being hammer

[Longview]

lol willingham

[nny]

and fucking major :ROLL at Craig talking about Cogz dead dad

[Longview]

Did not think it was an error though, did he even get a glove on it?

[nny]

Well, that's not really the discussion. Even if we had Nyjer Morgan, he would have no future with this team.
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And baserunning?

they're basically even

[Maybin]

What was Hammer's error?

[Longview]

Here we go...Cmon Boner big spot here.
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What was Hammer's error?

Cody hit a hard line drive landed out near the warning track, but hammer got all twisted up and then made an awkward dive at the ball and it bounced just in front of his glove...just a very awkward play. I thought it should have been a hit.

[AdamRavs]

Oh Boner being Boner

[Longview]

Boner :fip

[Longview]

Good news is this should be Lannan's last inning.

[Maybin]

cmon Gload

[Bobbob1313]

they're basically even

I really don't see how that's possible.

Nyjer Morgan has been caught stealing 15 times this season, cogs just once.
Nyjer Morgan has been picked off 8 times and picked off while stealing 4 times, Coghlan has not been at all.
Morgan has made 6 outs on the basespaths, coghlan has made 4, and Coghlan has taken the extra base more often (44% to 40%).

Sorry, I really don't see how Nyjer Morgan hasn't cost his team more on the basepaths than he's helped. I get it, 32 steals is cool. But the rest can't be outweighed by that.

[Longview]

Gload :fip....this is so pathetic.

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

so pathetic

[nny]

I really don't see how that's possible.

Nyjer Morgan has been caught stealing 15 times this season, cogs just once.
Nyjer Morgan has been picked off 8 times and picked off while stealing 4 times, Coghlan has not been at all.
Morgan has made 6 outs on the basespaths, coghlan has made 4, and Coghlan has taken the extra base more often (44% to 40%).

Sorry, I really don't see how Nyjer Morgan hasn't cost his team more on the basepaths than he's helped. I get it, 32 steals is cool. But the rest can't be outweighed by that.

well, it is :marchmellow

[Bobbob1313]

well, it is :marchmellow

Oh, ok.

[Ramp]

Nice professional at bat by Gload

[Longview]

It is the Nat's turn to blow the lead tonight

[FishFanInPA]

Aaron Thompson's 1st outing for AA Nats:

5 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 5 K, 3 W

[Longview]

Philly up 7-0 over Colorodo
SF already won, STL already lost.

We can gain a game on two teams ahead of us if we can come back

[Ramp]

Aaron Thompson's 1st outing for AA Nats:

5 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 5 K, 3 W

come on Fip, W for Walks?

[Longview]

I love NJ

[FishFanInPA]

I was writing it down quickly off the TV screen

[all black marlins hat]

So how many runners have been left on base so far? I know it was 5 after like 2 or 3 innings. And they have left quite a few in the last couple innings.

[Maybin]

Cmon Hanley

[Longview]

Phew. Make that hurt Hanley.

[Ramp]

Hammer's error last inning changed to a double for Cody

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

lets go jorge

[Longview]

PLease, please, please, can we get a run here
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UGGLA FUCK YES!

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

thnk u UGGLA

[nny]

Uggla gun turn it around

[Fish and Chips]

danny boy!!

[Maybin]

Uggla wants to win

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

uggla gonna put us on his back and take us to the playoffs


or on his huge forearms

[Longview]

Cody trying to take the lead.
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That was ugly.

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

uggla looked really pissed

[Longview]

We are now 4-18 with RISP, and thats an improvement.
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Classic Pinto.
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That one is on Pinto.

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

wtf is goin on

[Fish and Chips]

pinto?

[Longview]

Pinto walked a guy (that's a given), let him steal 2nd, then gave up a smoked base hit.

[Ramp]

this game is ovahhh

[Longview]

Maybe not
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Need to K Dunn here
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YES, 1 more pinto
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[Fish and Chips]

got him let score some runz

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

so fuckin clutch

[Longview]

HUGE

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

thats it. were gonna win

[Omar]

Great to get out of that inning

Come on boys, get a couple more

[m26555]

Donnelly has just been HUGE since we acquired him.

[Longview]

W.T.F.

[The Hanram]

Hermida gon go yard here yah.

[Fish and Chips]

wow

[AdamRavs]

Herms swinging at his usual breaking pitch in the dirt

[FishFanInPA]

Worthless

[The Hanram]

Bring up Maybin. Sit Hermida.
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Also that catch was way more awkward than it should have been. :/

[geemoney]

Well, top of the lineup for the ninth. These are the guys I'd want up.

[Longview]

WGCB

[Ice]

WGPWBIWDTRS

[Ramp]

WGSU&SWH

we gon show up and see what happens

[Omar]

Good battle by CC

[Fish and Chips]

cmon hanley

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

fuck fuck fuckity fuck. hanley isnt gonna get anythin good to hit.

[Fish and Chips]

this guy only throws one pitch

[The Hanram]

Incredible we're going to lose a series to the fucking Natinlulz

[Longview]

Pathetic.

[Marlinsfan4lyfe]

hope we dont get swept

[geemoney]

On sportsline's gamecenter, it looked like Hanley and Coghlan swung at ball four....did it look like that watching the game?

[Omar]

They very much did swing at ball four

http://www.soflamarlins.com/showthread.php?t=390