2012 Miami Hurricanes Football Discussion

[MiamiHomer]

http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2179365&t=o

:lol

[Fritz]

Link fail.

[MiamiHomer]

Looks like gifsoup is down.

[Ramp]

poned

[Mainge]

I'm watching The U for the first time. Why is Bernie Kosar smashed in every interview he does?

[MiamiHomer]

I don't know, but he wants to be the next athletic director.

[CrimsonCane]

I'm watching The U for the first time. Why is Bernie Kosar smashed in every interview he does?

According to LeBatard, that's not drunkenness. That is how he is. He has had issues with substance abuse and depression in the past but he also had a lot of concussions when he was a QB.

[MiamiHomer]

Since gifsoup is still down..the gif I posted can be seen in this video at the 5:44 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8r9csEHd1Y

[Fritz]

Jacory got dissed.

[Mainge]

According to LeBatard, that's not drunkenness. That is how he is. He has had issues with substance abuse and depression in the past but he also had a lot of concussions when he was a QB.

Now I feel kind of bad.

What a tremendous documentary. That should be required viewing for every new recruit.

[MiamiHomer]

sgorten Steve Gorten
According to police records, #UM LB Ramon Buchanan caused a disturbance in bathroom at Fat Tuesday's in Coconut Grove and smelled of alcohol

According to report, Buchanan tried to headbutt Sgt. and spat in Sgt.'s palm
According to Miami police, Buchanan said: "I'm a UM football player and I don't give a F--- what you do. I'll get out of it."

What an idiot. :fip

[Ralph]

eh

Also Eduardo Clements moving to CB. I'm kinda intrigued.

[MiamiHomer]

I expected Clements to be moved there since last season. We supposedly have like 7 suspensions for the first game but nothing has been confirmed yet.

[CrimsonCane]

Jacory was moved back to the #1 spot on the QB depth chart.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/03/jacory_harris_back_on_top_cane.php

[Mainge]

Angelo Jean-Louis committed to y'all. He's from my alma mater.

He stole my brothers phone in September.
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Could a mod move that post to the other thread? I'm dumb.

[MiamiHomer]

Yeah, I was pretty sure this kid was going to be a Cane for a while now but I hear grades need to get in order.

[Mainge]

The baseball coach told my brother he's on the bubble as to whether he's going to graduate or not, but that was in September as well.

There's been a lot of talk about him going to Glades Day to play with Fred Taylors kid, Kelvin.

[MiamiHomer]

Tate Forcier era is over before it even begins, he isn't transferring to Miami.

[Bobbob1313]

Yo, you guys need to stay out of trouble. Every day I'm working, another UM player is getting suspended or charged with rape. Come on!

[MiamiHomer]

Jeffrey Brown is a scrub.

[Beef]

Yo, you guys need to stay out of trouble. Every day I'm working, another UM player is getting suspended or charged with rape. Come on!

Maybe once the Heat are out of the playoffs (when the NBA Finals end) those players will stop getting in trouble

[MiamiHomer]

They'll stop smoking weed when the Heat are out of the playoffs? I doubt that.

[Beef]

I was not being serious. I was being playful with bobs because of the time he said that thing about the Heat in the playoffs and his employment.

[MiamiHomer]

Oh.

[Beef]

mm hmm

[Bobbob1313]

Beef is laughing at my future homelessness.

[MiamiHomer]

Storm Johnson leaves the team :(.

[MiamiHomer]

Jonathan Vilma giving a large donation to the UM program. I love him.

[MiamiHomer]

ByTimReynolds Tim Reynolds
Chris Stock at InsideTheU.com reporting NCAA will meet with Miami on Monday about Shapiro's allegations. Has been coming for months.


ByTimReynolds Tim Reynolds
And so it goes on the UM beat. Make no mistake: Since news broke a year ago of Shapiro's plan for a book, the NCAA was going to look into it


fun...

[Fritz]

Wat?

[MiamiHomer]

Nevin Shapiro was an old booster at UM. He went to jail on a ponzi scheme and has been claiming he has shit on UM to "ruin" them. He want to wrote a book about it and everything.

[Fritz]

Cool.

Not much left to ruin though.

[Party]

Sadly, Fritz speaks the truth.

[MiamiHomer]

Wrong.

[MiamiHomer]

Holy cow the yahoo article buries us. :lol
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Like this is stuff that got SMU the death penalty.

[DropkickAlex]

I wish this was Florida State.

[MiamiHomer]

I wish this upon no university.

[Mainge]

Link?

[Namaste]

this is really bad

its worse than just his word vs UM

tons of corraboration

[MiamiHomer]

I'm about to cry.

[Namaste]

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=AomfwPHSOcDR.VPM4cDDNvU5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_08 1611

[Namaste]

This portion of the yahoo article made me lol

“We rocked Mansion so many times, I couldn’t even count them,” Shapiro said. “And I never went in there once without players, because it’s just not the kind of place that you’d go to without them.”




I don't get it. Did he think he'd get beat up at Mansion if he wasn't there without football players? C'mon. It's a very tame South Beach club.

[Fritz]

I think he meant they wouldn't let his dorky ass in without cool people.


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[Mainge]

Damn MH. At least you still have the Dolphins

[Namaste]

I think he meant they wouldn't let his dorky ass in without cool people.


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Nah

He had a ton of cash. If you have a ton of cash you can get bottle service and they will kiss your ass like your Lebron James

[CrimsonCane]

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=AomfwPHSOcDR.VPM4cDDNvU5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_08 1611

FUCK!!!

The only silver lining is that all the stuff that appears corroborated seems to be outside the 4 year statute of limitations.

[Fritz]

Nah

He had a ton of cash. If you have a ton of cash you can get bottle service and they will kiss your ass like your Lebron James

I just figured rich, dorky Jewish guys were in abundance down there and he'd need something better to separate himself from the crowd.


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[MiamiHomer]

FUCK!!!

The only silver lining is that all the stuff that appears corroborated seems to be outside the 4 year statute of limitations.

The guy that made the article was on with LeBatard and said some of it was as recent as 2010. It names players that are on the team right now. He was explaining how if the violations were ongoing for the amount that is currently believed that the NCAA has some sort of clause in that statute of limitations that allows to reprimand the university for those violations as well.

This is seriously super depressing to me right now. The only moment that gave me a lolwut moment was the fact Frank Fuckin' Haith was involved in this shit.

[Sandroimbuto]

All this and we didn't win shit.

[Fritz]

In the article it says the NCAA can circumvent the SOL when the behavior is continuous.


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[CrimsonCane]

I saw that. But, the journalist isn't a lawyer or a compliance officer. A layman's interpretation of "continuous" is very different from a legal/compliance definition.

[FishFanInPA]

Yeah, cheating and sucking is a terrible combo.

[MiamiHomer]

What the hell were some of the former players thinking when the reporter came around asking questions?

All hinges on what the NCAA can find in their investigation to confirm these claims. Almost want to throw up.
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http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2011/08/ipt/1313223690.jpg

I mean seriously...
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As if things couldn't get any worse. Yahoo added links to every individual name citing the specific instances for each one.

[Ramp]

finally caught up on the UM stuff

good lord

[Beef]

Spanish River's Jason Geathers made the list!

[Ramp]

I member him!

[Beef]

He was in my art class! He never had to make art, because he was Jason Geathers and had a hot black girl sitting on his dick during class.

[Ramp]

he always had the flyest gear on

like he'd wear a pair of shoes and throw em out of they got a spot on em

[Beef]

I gon send that to Yahoo

[FishFanInPA]

bounties on Tim Tebow and Chris Rix eh?

[Ralph]

Stfu and pay

[Hugg]

The soapbox announcing during the Miami-Ohio State game should be pretty epic.

/will be muting

[Ramp]

/will be bobbing and weaving

[MiamiHomer]

I hate everything.

[Omar]

This is so depressing, yet entirely unsurprising.

Don't mean to have sour grapes, but it makes you wonder what the schools that win are up to

[MiamiHomer]

It isn't going out on a limb to say variations of this happens throughout every football program within the NCAA. This is beyond pathetic though when seeing the fact 6 coaches, including the head coach of the basketball team, and possibly the AD and maybe even the president were aware of this.

[FishFanInPA]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/ACC/Da_End.gif

[Mainge]

This is so depressing, yet entirely unsurprising.

Don't mean to have sour grapes, but it makes you wonder what the schools that win are up to

The schools that win are the schools with good coaches who develop their players.

Everyone does this. It's an even playing field as far as cheating goes.

[FishFanInPA]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/content/printVersion/2592914/

You really want to take a shower after reading this about Nevin.

[MiamiHomer]

NCAA President Mark Emmert's statement on Miami: "If the assertions are true, the alleged conduct at the University of Miami is an illustration of the need for serious and fundamental change in many critical aspects of college sports. This pertains especially to the involvement of boosters and agents with student-athletes. While many are hearing about this case for the first time, the NCAA has been investigating the matter for five months. The serious threats to the integrity of college sports are one of the key reasons why I called together more than 50 presidents and chancellors last week to drive substantive changes to Division I intercollegiate athletics."

A little late there in terms of evaluating the situation of boosters and agents...

[MiamiHomer]

The story about him fighting with the compliance director in the last game at the Orange Bowl, it so happens to be that my professor for my Sports Governance class semester was who he tried to "fight".

[Fritz]

Do you have any idea if that story is true?

Saw this pic. I was amused.

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l514/erik_t/beautifulcoralgables.jpg

[MiamiHomer]

The story I just mentioned? Yeah, it happened in front of a lot of people. It happened after the compliance director started looking around Shapiro and thinking he was a shady character.

[Party]

I'm guessing there won't be a really cool documentary on how a rag-tag bunch with some extra help were average for the better part of a decade?

[MiamiHomer]

The chain of events that changed how the NCAA works forever OU-USC-OSU-UM.

[Sandroimbuto]

On my phone but this is an interesting angle(homer-ish)

http://eyeofthehurricane.net/wordpress/2011/08/17/separating-fact-from-fiction-the-nevin-shapiro-scandal/
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You can relax now MH

[MiamiHomer]

Well, I'm not go crazy over everything else that comes out for or against. I just want to wait out and see what happens during the official investigation.

Odds are UM will be without 12 players to start the season, all of which are starters.

[Ramp]

All I know is that the higher ups at UM think they are fucked, so that's not a good thing

[MiamiHomer]

I just get tired of people thinking the NCAA would consider the death penalty or people thinking it should be administered.

[Fritz]

After UM gets the death penalty, who should MH root for?

Harvard?
FIU?
UF?
Yale?

[Ramp]

plenty of room of the Indiana bandwagon

plenty.
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I just get tired of people thinking the NCAA would consider the death penalty or people thinking it should be administered.

by rule, the Death Penalty will be considered

[MiamiHomer]

I root for no one but UM.

[CrimsonCane]

After UM gets the death penalty, who should MH root for?

Harvard?
FIU?
UF?
Yale?

I barely even root for Harvard.

[Fritz]

Do you at least root against Yale?

[Chewford]

There is always room in the Gator Nation. We have Turbows.

[MiamiHomer]

Yeah, that would never happen.

[Fritz]

Don't lie.

[Chewford]

I've heard rumors that those who are not Gators are, in fact, gator bait.

[CrimsonCane]

Do you at least root against Yale?

Of course.

[Beef]

LeBatard left early so he could finish his article on this situation. Early rumors are that he will call us all racists for thinking the kids, most of whom are black and come from bad areas, shouldn't have taken what they took.

[FishFanInPA]

I mean this guy basically went to Shalala and asked to be head football coach and pay for the OC and DC. He then met with Shannon the day he was hired. These should have been red flags.

[MiamiHomer]

Where are you getting that from? The guy hated Shannon because he wanted nothing to do with him, assistant coaches and Frank Haith along with the AD seem to have been the ones whole he dealt with more. Shalala was just happy he was donating to the school. He wasn't even one of the higher boosters at UM. This is apparently what played a role in Shannon's firing of Clint Hurtt.

[CrimsonCane]

Red flags about what?

That's probably the most benign thing he's accused of doing. I can imagine that most boosters at any college program are pretty ridiculous human beings who think some pretty outlandish things.

[MiamiHomer]

Phil Knight demands he gets to call a play in Oregon games. He also has a separate head set to listen to the play calls.
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They also usually want say in who the coaches are that will be hired. Those aren't things that can lead you to the fact he's paying players and assistant coaches and things of that nature.

[Hugg]

All I know is this right here is why Miami wouldn't be considered for the SEC.

You gotta cover your shit better to be in that conference.
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All kidding aside, this happens everywhere. Anyone who believes it doesn't is naive and lying to themselves.

The only thing I'm mad about with the OSU stuff is that they got caught. I couldn't care less about the stuff that went on.

The only thing I can even pretend to care about are major recruiting violations because that effect competitive balance, etc. Anything that goes on once they're there, couldn't care less.


And I find it hilarious all these major schools are getting caught and all the moral outrage while everyone masturbates to the super conferences that will make this an even bigger financial juggernaut.

[Metes]

The guy looks like E from Entourage

I like how on Hester's page he got like $6k worth of clothes but only $3k for an engagement ring

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=AqxX5_0lmloVYVTpu5YxL9w5nYcB?slug=ys-devin_hester_allegations

[Chewford]

The NCAA is the most awesome thing ever. They make mountains of cash off their players, but if the players they make money off benefit in the tiniest way, they are punished severely. There is nowhere else in the developed world where that would occur.

[CrimsonCane]

I also dislike the fact that the coaches who move on to other programs generally skate by Scott free whenever anything surfaces after the fact. In my mind, the most severe punishments shouldn't be reserved for the players or for the program looking to move past an old regime. The NCAA should throw the book at the coaches and assistants who oversee these issues.

If the NCAA was really serious about stopping this on a systemic level, they'd institute a lifetime ban from holding any position at any college program for any coach or assistant who is caught directly and willfully breaking the rules.

Te fact that you can have John Calipari's running around earning millions but players get busted for getting a free tattoo or accepting gifts being thrown on their feet by pathetic boosters is absurd.

[DropkickAlex]

I agree with CC, Calipari is a great example to.

The Death Penalty maybe harsh but if a team were to be given it...this might be it. I mean paying for prostitutes, drugs and abortions. That's some big stuff there.

[MiamiHomer]

There were no drugs and the abortion situation doesn't even involve him talking with a player about it. There was no violation in that instance. Those aren't the allegations that will hurt Miami a lot, it's the fact that coaches and the AD worked with the guy along with the issue that he was part of a sports agency.

The death penalty isn't going to happen because you don't just kill the athletics aspect of Miami but you hurt the school, community and the conference it's in. They just aren't going to do it. Either way, got to wait to see what the NCAA can prove because a lot of the evidence is circumstantial.
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The basketball program would be the closest thing to administering the death penalty if there ever decided to give it. It'll be hard to explain what the hell Frank Haith was doing at strip clubs with him and players.

[Party]

The NCAA is the most awesome thing ever. They make mountains of cash off their players, but if the players they make money off benefit in the tiniest way, they are punished severely. There is nowhere else in the developed world where that would occur.

China.

[Namaste]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_rosenberg/08/17/miami/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a1&hpt=hp_c2



Nevin Shapiro basically paid for an eight-year party for anybody who was anybody in the Miami football program. Read the excellent Yahoo! Sports report and it's obvious. Nobody stopped Shapiro. Evidently, nobody tried, despite obvious signs that something was amiss. Cash payments, alcohol, strippers, hookers -- no wonder the Hurricanes haven't won much lately. They're exhausted.
The violations are so over-the-top, so blatant and widespread, that by the time you're done reading about them, you may reach the same conclusion I did: The people at Miami didn't care about the rules.
I don't mean they didn't care about right and wrong. I mean, that it didn't seem like a matter of right and wrong. I would bet that most of the players didn't think they were cheating. Oh, they might have known what they were doing was against the rules. But did they ever think Miami was getting some kind of competitive advantage? Did they think it was wrong? I doubt it.




And if people don't care about the rules, how do you stop them from breaking the rules. Should you even try? Most of the Miami violations fall under the NCAA rules about "extra benefits." The principle is that athletes should not get benefits that are not available to other students.
But what if the NCAA flipped that around? What if the NCAA decided that if regular students can take free drinks and meals without anybody caring, athletes should be allowed to do that too?
The current cycle is absurd and pointless: Athletes take what they can get. Schools ignore it. Unless an excellent reporter like Charles Robinson of Yahoo! looks into it, or a booster gets in legal trouble (as Shapiro did), nothing happens.



I won't say everybody cheats. I don't believe that. A lot of people have a fundamental inclination to follow rules, either out of guilt or a fear of getting caught.
But college sports, at their core, have nothing to do with amateurism. I mean that in a very practical sense. Players choose schools for education or playing time or because they like the coaches or the helmets. They work out and practice and study and party. Coaches watch film and recruit and put together game plans and punt on fourth-and-1 when they should go for it.



Nobody gets into sports because they have a passion for players not getting paid. They are certainly players who believe in following rules, but that doesn't mean they believe in the rules themselves.
There are coaches, like Jim Tressel, who care about many of their players and still choose to cheat. And there are coaches who care about their players and choose not to cheat. There are players who excel in school and take money from boosters and agents. And there are players who skip class, barely stay eligible, never graduate and don't take a dime.



This isn't like a restaurant complying with the health department or a construction company sticking to building codes. Those are safety issues. It's more like if I hired you as an airline pilot and I said "In addition to adhering to safety standards, you cannot accept any free golf lessons, drink bourbon or eat pistachios. If we catch you doing that, you're fired."
I'm sure some people would avoid the free golf lessons, the bourbon and the pistachios, just because they didn't want to get fired. Others would surreptitiously grab an occasional pistachio, eat it quickly, then feel terribly guilty about breaking the rule. And some others would say "To hell with it" and wash down their pistachios with bourbon while taking their free golf lessons. But none of it would have anything to do with flying a plane.



This is how many, many college athletes view the NCAA's amateurism rules. They might follow them. They might not. But they don't passionately believe in the rules.
How could they? How could they possibly think the NCAA has their best interests at heart? This is an organization that requires players to not only miss one or two days of class for every week of the NCAA tournament, but also requires them to miss an additional day just for press conferences and open practices in front of fans. This benefits me professionally, but I would never in a million years argue that it is in the best interest of players. It's about marketing. Does the NCAA think players don't realize that?
The extremes of the Miami case should show you how preposterous this entire enterprise is. Former Miami athletic director Paul Dee was the chair of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. He either didn't care, or didn't know, about some of the most blatant extra benefits in NCAA history. Heck, Shapiro, had official ties to the University of Miami athletic department and owned part of a sports agency. That alone should have set off the loudest alarms in South Florida. NCAA cases are about plausible deniability -- we didn't know, we could have known, the head coach didn't know, it was the assistant director of associate something-or-other's fault, kids these days are nutty, please be nice to us, etc. Miami has no plausible deniability here.
The Hurricanes, from AD to compliance officers to players, just decided they didn't much care for the rules. And if Shapiro had made his money in real estate or through legitimate investments, instead of through a Ponzi scheme, he would probably still be throwing his party.




Should Miami get hit with severe penalties? Yes, absolutely. Rules are rules, and breaking them is cheating. But at what point do we realize that this is all a needless charade? Why is the NCAA in the business of keeping players poor? (They're not all poor, of course. But some are.)
Florida State fans have not laughed this hard since Florida hired Ron Zook. I get that. Part of the fun of sports is watching your rivals embarrass themselves. But who are we kidding? Florida State and Miami recruit so many of the same players. Do people really think Miami got the ones who don't know right from wrong? Or that FSU got the ones who believe they have an ethical obligation to follow every single rule?
Do we think Miami had the single rogue booster who got a thrill out of partying with players?
For that matter, forget about sports for a second. How many college students turn down free booze? How many 20-year-old heterosexual males tell attractive women to go away? I'm absolutely not condoning drinking to excess or prostitution. I just don't see why this should be an NCAA issue.




The NCAA can hit Miami hard, but it has no chance to stop this from happening at other schools. None. Heck, as we've seen, the NCAA can't even stop it from happening at the same school repeatedly.
There may be societies where young people do not want alcohol, sex or material goods, but this is not one of them. You can educate people about drinking, drug use, safe sex, all of that. But why does the NCAA get to stand in judgment of students at the University of Miami who partied too much and took cash from a guy who was desperate to give it to them?




More than anything, this is what has me shaking my head: When Miami fired coach Randy Shannon last fall, there was some brief outrage because Shannon was widely regarded as one of the good guys in the profession. His players graduated. He had the third-best Academic Progress Rate of any coach in the nation. Isn't this what our institutions of higher learning are supposed to do? Educate?
Shannon's tenure will now be regarded as a renegade era of rule-breaking. Miami succeeded in the realm that should matter, but completely failed in the realm that the NCAA has decided matters more.



But after the Hurricanes get hit with sanctions, a new wave of recruits will come in, and it is foolish to think that those recruits will suddenly have a higher regard for the NCAA's rules than the last 30 years of recruits did. The idea of the amateur student-athlete is charming and appealing, in its way, but as this Yahoo! report shows, many people who are actually supposed to be amateur student-athletes find it silly. NCAA officers can enact a bunch of rules and give some great speeches. But they can't change that.

[Fritz]

That's a good article.


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[Mainge]

Colin Cowherd says college athletes should be more like Jesus.

One of the things yesterday, during that whole Miami football scandal, you know, one of the lamest excuses people use all the time is these Miami players are poor and so they took payouts. That’s a lame excuse for lacking ethics. Being poor, rich and poor in morality are separate issues, ok? The man, Jesus, was a pauper, ok? He didn’t care about material things and watches and yacht trips. And you’re poor. Nobody is — nobody lacks ethics because they’re poor. There are millions of Americans who are categorized financially as poor who have ethics and don’t take things that belong to them. The truth is, though, people don’t like to admit their faults. Very few people will own their own baggage. That’s why therapy is good for all of us. So people make excuses for doing things. I’m poor so i took $30,000 from a booster. No, you lack ethics, and you just happened to be poor. But a lot of poor people don’t take money that’s not their money.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/colin-cowherd-college-athletes-jesus/

[MiamiHomer]

I heard it live. Went to an actual face palm when spoken.

/has sports radio on during work
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He also went on and on about how his youth was similar to that of the college athlete and he would know better not to accept these gifts.

[Beef]

He looks like a weak human snot

[MiamiHomer]

Stu-dent ATH-O-LEETS (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/387407/stu-dent-ath-o-leets)

South Park never spoke truer words.

[Sandroimbuto]

College football players should be paid or allowed to take monetary gifts.

[MiamiHomer]

I think some kids are on the verge of being suspended. Looks like Morris might win the QB job by default because I heard Jacory, Ray Ray Armstrong and Olivier Vernon are close to being suspended. I'm going to guess that the other 9 players that were named in the report will have to sit to start the season unless Miami hears otherwise from the NCAA that the players get cleared which has been the case for a number of guys that didn't end up at UM so far.

[Party]

My neighbor sent me this:

To try and help you ease into the acknowledgement that you will be cheering for the Gators soon, I have provided a link below for your shopping pleasure. Please send me the item number you would like. Welcome aboard!

http://shop.gatorzone.com/default.aspx/partnerid/3122/source/google-ak19kv30-florida-store?utm_content=WWLCZoIu&gclid=CJPWrMSM2aoCFcis7Qodv34a7g

Funny thing is he works for UM.

[MiamiHomer]

Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims (http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/)

This guy went through everything.

[Beef]

Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims (http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/)

This guy went through everything.

I read a little bit. Reads like an angry rivals poster.

[MiamiHomer]

A lot of articles have had that feel discussing the situation.

[Hugg]

We first learned the extent of Luther Campbell's involvement in the Miami program from a blowout report similar in spirit if not in scope to Robinson's. That story, written in 1994 by Ken Rodriguez and Dan Le Batard, revealed that Campbell "had a pay scale for big games: $50 for a caused fumble or a fumble recovery, $100 for a sack, a block that flattens an opponent, an interception or a touchdown, and $200 for an interception returned for a touchdown." (To this day, Campbell disputes their account.)

The whole thing played out the way these scandals always play out. Cheating was exposed. An investigation was launched. Rules were enforced. Punishment was levied. A coach blew town. The System asserted itself. God was in his heaven, and all was right with the world. And then, because nothing whatsoever had changed about the bad underlying incentives of a labor market in which the "amateurs" who do the work are denied any percentage of the revenue they generate, the cheating was merely sent further underground—low enough that an oily, burrowing hustler like Nevin Shapiro could grab some of the action. The rules create the sin, and the enforcement only deepens it. That's not the story Robinson tells, however. That story seems to unfold entirely behind his back. Like all big Yahoo hoo-hahs, the story he does tell is great college-football porno—yachts and bounties and lapdancers wriggling all up and down the NCAA bylaws—but in the end his reporting only further sanctifies the rules that give us someone like Shapiro in the first place. The Nevin Shapiros of the world don't exist despite college football's governing body. They exist because of it.

http://deadspin.com/5831874/a-not+entirely+constructive-exchange-with-yahoos-ncaa-scandal-hunter-charles-robinson

[FishFanInPA]

Campbell was on with Doug Gottlieb today (he's the worst). Basically sounded drunk and stupid saying that he didn't do anything wrong and it's the HBU's job to save the "slaves" stuck at other schools.

[Party]

Dick Vitale hung up on LeBatard today.

[MiamiHomer]

It was yesterday and Vitale was being really dumb although what Stugotz said could have been articulated more clearly. Vitale is kidding himself if he doesn't think Calipari has a clean record.

Also, Alonzo Highsmith says he plans to sue the NCAA on behalf of UM players if/when sanctions are handed down.

[Party]

I hate when LeBatard plays old shit over and over. My bad.

[MiamiHomer]

The reason they played it is because so many people wanted to hear it again. LeBatard wasn't there today due to some family emergency so it's better to replay that for a segment than have Stugotz talk about dumb crap.

[Party]

I c.

[Mainge]

You didn't like the sniff test?

[MiamiHomer]

smillerdegnan Susan Miller Degnan
#UM #Canes news: Eight UM football players declared ineligible by the university. Only one I know of now: Jacory Harris.


There was 15 players investigated so possible good sign for the other 7?

[Bobbob1313]

I was about to post that.

[MiamiHomer]

UM already asked the NCAA to start the reinstatement process for them. The other players were ruled to have received less than 100 dollars in gifts so they would have to play that back.
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Spence is another ruled ineligible.

[Hugg]

ESPN says it's 13

Thirteen Miami football players are ineligible until they are reinstated by the NCAA, a source close to the team confirmed to ESPN.com's Heather Dinich.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6894959/thirteen-miami-hurricanes-players-ineligible-reinstated-ncaa-source-says

[MiamiHomer]

They also say it's just 8 on their scroll...

[Bobbob1313]

MH, has Spence not played much recently?

I'm looking for photos and there's barely any showing up from the 2010 season.

[MiamiHomer]

He played plenty last year.

[Bobbob1313]

huh. Not many photos of him available.

There's hardly anything good of him. Best one is him pointing and celebrating, which probably isn't the best option, given the circumstances.

[MiamiHomer]

Is there any specifics to the photo you need?

[Bobbob1313]

Nah, just need it to be of him and something we already have. I have one of him standing there. That will do.

[Beef]

I heard Jason Whitlock on the radio discussing that what these UM players were doing was that they were just wanting to be like all of their fellow classmates in college so they did what they do. I dont know, but I'd be surprised if a majority of their classmates are also hanging out on yachts, getting expensive dinners and bills taken care of in clubs and fuckin hos. He said Prime 112 is just expensive, so it looks worse when they go out and have their bill taken care of by this guy. I didn't go to any Prime 112s when I was in college and if I did, I would have to pay (I wasn't required to by any regulations, but I didn't have a Nevin Shapiro), and if I would have to pay, I'd have to pay it back at some point later because it'd come out of a loan. Sooooooooooooooooooooo, I don't much agree with Jason Whitlock

[Sandroimbuto]

Miami is a private university

[Beef]

You saying I should not be surprised if they all do those things?

[Sandroimbuto]

I believe the guy that said they do those things was implying that UM students do those things because they are rich kids, for the most part.

[MiamiHomer]

NCAA has handed out suspensions:

Oliver Vernon gets 6 games; Ray-Ray and Dye 4; Jacory, Forston, Spence, Benjamin, Ojomo 1 game suspension.

Aldarious Johnson suspended indefinitely by UM*.

[MiamiHomer]

New Canes depth chart and they announced Jacory will start against OSU.


http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/041811aab.html

[MiamiHomer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFUIq-9tcYw

I love this man.

[Ralph]

MH and I goon tailgate together?

[MiamiHomer]

Already going with CC, gon be there at 2PM when gates open.

[Namaste]

Have a blast today guys.

Rooting for the U but have $$ on Ohio St ML +120

[MiamiHomer]

I'm very happy.

[Ralph]

Gates Open at 11 tomorrow?

[MiamiHomer]

Yes.

[MiamiHomer]

Fucking kill me now.

[MiamiHomer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrpTwPN7zuA

Hope this kid keeps to his commitment.

[Mainge]

He gon look good in orange and blue. :mischief

[Chewford]

He gon look good in orange and blue. :mischief

http://blog.wtfconcept.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/trololol.gif

[MiamiHomer]

He gon look good in orange and blue. :mischief

What do you think about that film?

[Mainge]

I didn't watch much. Brb
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Can't tell much. Nice arm and touch. Only thing that really stood out in the video was how white it was.

/racist

[Namaste]

Very nifty play calling on 4th and 1 by the Canes
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BOOM

ROASTED

[MiamiHomer]

Offense definitely hasn't been the issue. Jedd Fisch has done a fine job as the OC. Defense just has been a disaster of epic proportions.

[Namaste]

Didn't say O has been an issue but that was a very creative 4th and 1 call

MH, are you riding me buddy?


;)

[MiamiHomer]

I didn't mean it to be a response to your post, just a general statement.
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I might cry with how well this has started.

[Mainge]

Missed block + Jacory Harris floater special = dead Canes receiver.

[MiamiHomer]

Dude came from 12 yards back too. I knew that play was coming.
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Jacory has looked like a completely different QB the last 12 quarters.

[Namaste]

You gotta be shitting me
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YES!

[MiamiHomer]

I seriously would have fucking killed LaRon Byrd if UNC ended up scoring.

[Mainge]

Angelo Jean-Louis committed to y'all. He's from my alma mater.

He stole my brothers phone in September.
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Could a mod move that post to the other thread? I'm dumb.

He strikes again. He's up to about 50+ phones over the last few years.

What a fucking scumbag.

[MiamiHomer]

stolen 50 phones?

[Fritz]

Fits right in at Tha U.

[Mainge]

Since his sophomore year. He goes into the locker rooms when the other sports teams are in the weight room.

I know because when my brothers phone was stolen last year, this anti-theft app we had tracked the phone to his car parked outside of an Olive Garden. When we called the police, they came but said they couldn't do anything about it.

Then my neighbors phone got stolen last week but he's really good friends with another kid on the football team and that kid stole it back from Angelo.

Everyone knows who it is but no one's willing to do anything about it.

[MiamiHomer]

Fits right in at Tha U.

And every other major university!

[Fritz]

And every other major university!

That type of behavior would never be tolerated at UF.

/does that thing that college football fans like to do

[Beef]

MH, the replay of Miami-FSU will begin in 4 minutes.

[MiamiHomer]

Not even sure why you would want to watch it. Both teams looked terrible.

[Beef]

Because we won. Also, I'm curious to see some of the apparent terrible calls to see if they were as terrible as they appeared to be.

[MiamiHomer]

They were. The ACC refs in that game needed to be fired. The guy shouldn't have been ejected. Stephen Morris had half his body over the endzone line and they still didn't call it a TD. The fumble call was right on the first play but people don't really understand the rule there. The safety that had to be reviewed twice because they didn't understand what the rule was, was super dumb.

[Beef]

Yeah, I hope they were super embarrassed when they had to basically announce, "oops, we don't know them rules"
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We just touchdowned on the fumble. That looks impossible to overturn. Let's see what they do
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I think it was only 8 or 9 minutes into the game when I turned and said for the first time "these teams suck"

[MiamiHomer]

At least you realize that. I got friends at FSU talking like they are top 10 material.

[Beef]

I do think we could beat half of the teams in the top 10. I believe that half of the teams in the top 10 aren't any good.

[MiamiHomer]

Half the teams? I doubt that.

[Beef]

It's just how college football is. It's why bobbob doesn't like it as much as the NBA.

[MiamiHomer]

Then Miami could beat half those teams as well.

[Bobbob1313]

Wait, what?

[Beef]

Then Miami could beat half those teams as well.

Maybe. I'm looking at 6-10 of the AP.
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Wait, what?

You know what.

[Bobbob1313]

MH,

Why is Wanks such a poopiepants on Twitter about Al Golden?

[MiamiHomer]

He's being unreasonable.

[MiamiHomer]

Canes won't play in a bowl this season after imposing a bowl ban on themselves.

[MiamiHomer]

That was about the exact way you'd imagine Jacory's final game would play out. That #1 recruiting class from 2008 ended with a 29-22 record further proving those things are a crap shoot.

[Fritz]

They were only the #1 class because they signed like 45 players. The class on a stars per prospect ranking wasn't all that.

[MiamiHomer]

They were only the #1 class because they signed like 45 players. The class on a stars per prospect ranking wasn't all that.

It also depends on what site you use but they signed 33 guys and half of them with "4-5 stars". It's more specific to the Northwestern 7 that came from that class.

[MiamiHomer]

Just had a kid decommit to commit to OSU. He committed to Miami 2 weeks ago. Kids these days.

[MiamiHomer]

AJ Leggett and Angelo Jean-Louis look like they won't be in the recruiting class due to academic issues...awesome.

/talking to myself

[Mainge]

I could have told you that. I don't even know if he'll graduate

[MiamiHomer]

He was set to play DB for us. Both of those were DBs but now we're fucked even more.

[Mainge]

I also told you that.

[MiamiHomer]

Well you asked me if it was true earlier in the thread and I said yes.

[Mainge]

I believe you said no, actually.

He's a jackass. You don't want him. The other guy from my school is way betfer. The defensive end who's name escapes me.

[MiamiHomer]

I believe you said no, actually.

He's a jackass. You don't want him. The other guy from my school is way betfer. The defensive end who's name escapes me.

A lot of these players can be classified as jackasses, I just want the ones that are really good on the field. He was one of them. Also, I'm 99% sure I told you that they were considering him as a DB since he played DB this year as well. Not like it matters anymore.

[Mainge]

I understand that and I'm the same way, but he's an extra special jackass. The kind that don't make it 4 years because they get caught stealing and get booted out of programs.

He wasn't a very good corner anyway. Promise.

[MiamiHomer]

I'm more upset about Leggett than AJL anyways. Kid had the skills to play right away. UM seriously has no one at DB right now.

[Mainge]

I should send in my tape then because I have wheels

[MiamiHomer]

You could have done a better job than our secondary this year which consisted of a 5th year senior transfer from Wake Forest, a track athlete playing football, a converted RB and a converted QB.

[MiamiHomer]

Rumor is Tommy Streeter is going pro and signed Rosenhaus as his agent. That would suck if it's true.

[MiamiHomer]

ByTimReynolds Tim Reynolds
Confirmed: Streeter gone, Fortson gone, Miller deciding.


Marcus Forston might not get drafted...

Streeter really could have benefited from another season.

[MiamiHomer]

Top recruit Duke Johnson is playing live right now on Sun Sports in the class 5A state championship. He's #3 for Norland (RB). The kid is amazing.

[MiamiHomer]

Check this out: Miami flipped a kid that was committed to VT to come to Miami today and he was notifying VT that he was decommitting and this is how it went(read tweets from bottom up):


@MattyPorts Ja Wand Blue is listening to Beamer speak his piece. This is incredibly awkward.

@MattyPorts Beamer: "It would be a blessing for you to go away for school. I promise. You've got homeboys here. ... We need you. We're counting on you."

@MattyPorts Beamer, to Blue: "You want to go to a program that wins bowl games, a clean program, that dominates in the ACC?"

@MattyPorts Blue is telling Frank Beamer, "I wanted to stay home." Beamer: "This doesn't make any sense. I've never felt more betrayed or lied to."

@MattyPorts I'm listening in right now as Frank Beamer is telling Ja Wand Blue, "you lied to me." #VaTech #Canes

The reporter has since deleted the tweets since they weren't on the record.
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mattyports Matt Porter
#VaTech says that was not Frank Beamer on the phone. It was assistant coach Charley Wiles. Confirms the tweets I posted earlier were true.


mattyports Matt Porter
"We understand that's part of the game now. We just want to attribute it correctly." -- #VaTech spokesperson

mattyports Matt Porter
West Boca coaches told me that was Frank Beamer on the phone, which is why I tweeted what I did. #VaTech


update
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Here's a link with screen shots:

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/2/1/2763914/ja-wand-blue-virginia-tech-miami-decommit-twitter

[Fritz]

Lawls.

[MiamiHomer]

One could only dream:

On-campus stadium design from a student competition (http://kawneer.aias.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/3463.pdf)

Will never happen though.

[MiamiHomer]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/423920_10150598288354611_17767109610_9115050_18200 21882_n.jpg