Greinke

[Miamarlin21]

So I was reading on rotoworld that the Royals are going to listen to every offer for their ace. Anyone interested? I think he'd thrive here. He hates big places where he's in the spotlight (New York, Boston, or even LA) so the Marlins would be the perfect spot for him.

I wish there could be a way around not trading Stanton or Logan for him but that's a dream world so I guess maybe a package of Logan, Volstad,Ozzy, and Cousins?

[MiamiHomer]

Chris Volstad for Grienke would be too much.

[mbitcronod12]

Highly doubt we'd ever go after him. He's due $13.5 million next year. Why would we trade two projected starters making the major league minimum (Logan and Volstad) for a guy who projects to make more than Ricky?

[FishFanInPA]

Chris Seddon for Greinke.

[jay576]

So I was reading on rotoworld that the Royals are going to listen to every offer for their ace. Anyone interested? I think he'd thrive here. He hates big places where he's in the spotlight (New York, Boston, or even LA) so the Marlins would be the perfect spot for him.

I wish there could be a way around not trading Stanton or Logan for him but that's a dream world so I guess maybe a package of Logan, Volstad,Ozzy, and Cousins?

Remove Logan from that and throw in Elih and I would be all over this. I'm a huge fan of Greinke but based on his performance you can't expect his 2009 numbers which is why you don't ship out Logan.

[Hugg]

Volstad, Elih, Ozzy and Cousins for Greinke?

Why in the hell would Kansas City do that? That's terrible.

[jOOj]

They won't trade him.

[Metes]

Pretty much including Volstad in any trade rumor instantly guarantees it would never happen

[Miamarlin21]

lol someone on another site put; "i think a package maybe like gaby, peterson, and miller should get the job done and maybe include maybin while he still has value"

lol. I feel bad for him.

[Beef]

I enjoyed the guy on here that said take out the Major Leaguer and put in a Minor Leaguer

[Swifty]

Highly doubt we'd ever go after him. He's due $13.5 million next year. Why would we trade two projected starters making the major league minimum (Logan and Volstad) for a guy who projects to make more than Ricky?

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Remove Logan from that and throw in Elih and I would be all over this. I'm a huge fan of Greinke but based on his performance you can't expect his 2009 numbers which is why you don't ship out Logan.

ehehe

[mbitcronod12]

ehe


My comment has nothing to do with Volstad. I would say the same thing if the two projected starters were Logan and pick any of the guys making major league minimum that's projected to start next year. Do you really think that this team would dump two guys that they don't have to pay for so they can add $13.5 million in payroll? And that's on top of trying to resign Ricky and Uggla? That's what I meant.

[jay576]

Volstad, Elih, Ozzy and Cousins for Greinke?

Why in the hell would Kansas City do that? That's terrible.

The point is you do not necessarily need to gain Greinke as the Marlins and if your offering a package, your not looking to offer a part that comes to use on your team.

Greinke has a 3.6 WARP this year. His past 3-years have been very inconsistent so that 9.9 he posted in '09 probably won't happen again and he is will probably close to that 5.2 he posted in '08 than his '09 and '10. So you probably pencil him in with a 5 WARP.

Volstad posted a 1.9 WARP this year. At this point in his career you can probably pencil him in for around a 2. He would be the immediate replacement for Greinke from a KC pov. This means your looking at probably 3 wins a season unless one of those players improves or regresses drastically.

So in a Volstad for Greinke swap your looking at the marlins gaining 3 wins and the royals gaining a lot of spending money and losing 3 more games. Now it really depends on how kansas city values the rest of the players in the deal and how much they need to dump salary. If they value those prospects and cash more than 3 wins, it is a fair trade.

Personally I don't think that those players I stated add up to 3 wins but I am not the one making the trade. My point here is you don't just throw Stanton or Morrison in there because they are major league ready and fill holes on the team. Stanton and Morrison had a 2.5 and 1.5 WARP respectively. Adding Morrison to a deal for Greinke alone probably means a fair trade. So sure trade Morrison and Volstad and a 4th outfielder type for Greinke.

But now it comes down to fielding the best possible team next year in the Marlins case. The team is just not built for a good defense team. Sure you can fill every position with good defenders except for Uggla and Hanley and your middle infield is still weak defensively and they are demanding positions. This means that the team would need to see drastic changes in the lineup to make moving to a defense oriented team make sense. These changes most likely will not be made.

So now that its pretty much impossible to move this team to an above average defensively team without completely overhauling the roster, you don't have to focus strictly on stacking your pitching staff so the benefits are maximized. So their is no extra benefit from not having a balanced roster.

It honestly just doesn't make sense so if your willing to pay him, yeah throw a low-ball offer out and if it starts discussions good but if not who cares. But when your actually losing value and money when making a trade that includes Volstad and Morrison.

[Metes]

So you're sayin it's a little silly?

[Hugg]

So, your point is we don't really need him, so we should waste the Royals time with an insulting offer for him.

Why not just not try to get him then?
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I mean, your offer is a #4 SP (at best) who has been sent to AAA each of the last 2 years, a AA SP who really no one thinks that highly of outside of a couple posters on this board and his AA coaching staff, a utility infield prospect and a 4th OF prospect.

[PitchingWinsGames]

I'm a fan of when people look at trades (potential or otherwise) and forget these things don't happen in a vacuum. With what Halladay and Lee have done in the past couple years, an NL team should be highly interested in moving another relatively dominant AL starter to this league and pay out the backside to do it.

You pretty much have to overpay for a guy like Greinke or any other big time player, so Hugg said it best, if you're not seriously going to try to get him, just don't even bother/try.

[mbitcronod12]

Regardless of the offer of who we would give the Royals, trying to get him shouldn't even be on our radar. We have a LOT more pressing needs on this team than adding another high priced starter. Assuming Loria somehow did agree to spend an additional $13.5 million (which I highly doubt), we'd be much better served using that money on some relievers, a catcher and maybe a bench guy or two that play good defense. Starting pitching is the last thing on our lists of needs. We're not the Yankees. We don't have a $100 million payroll and never will. We can't just go get high priced guys and create a super roster.

[Hugg]

I disagree. We have 2.5 good starting pitchers (Nolasco's good about half the time).

[marlins_virus.exe]

I disagree also. Plus you could argue that a starting pitcher strengthens our bullpen by way of moving a starter to the pen.

Regardless, this is silly. KC would have to get blown away by an offer, I highly doubt they're looking to sell him quickly and on the cheap because that just doesn't make sense.

[TealMonster08]

I disagree. We have 2.5 good starting pitchers (Nolasco's good about half the time).

No, we have 3 Good starters, 1 for JJ, 1 for Sanchy, .5 for Nolasco, and .5 based on Volstads clickish September, how could you forget that?

[MiamiHomer]

No, the "clicking" for Volstad was 5th starter quality.
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So I'd put it at like .027 for Volstad

[mbitcronod12]

A Greinke deal doesn't fit these teams:

10. Florida Marlins. They'd be paying about $20 million and then $26 million to Josh Johnson and Greinke over the next couple of years if they made a deal. That's not really their style.

Zach Greinke's most likely destination (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&id=5695939)

I can't post more than that in here because it's an insider article. If you want to read the rest, you know what to do.
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I disagree also. Plus you could argue that a starting pitcher strengthens our bullpen by way of moving a starter to the pen.

Regardless, this is silly. KC would have to get blown away by an offer, I highly doubt they're looking to sell him quickly and on the cheap because that just doesn't make sense.

We would not have any starters to move to the bullpen if you trade one to get Greinke. As we saw in September, we don't have a lot of depth to be moving starters to the bullpen and will probably have less assuming we dump Miller.

[Swifty]

I really like how mba's argument is "it's an awful idea, we'll be paying him more money than Nolasco."

[Mainge]

She's never really said that ever.

[FishFanInPA]

Might as well see if they'll throw Soria in too.

[marlins_virus.exe]

if we add in mendez and sanabia they might do it! they owe soria lots of money

[Swifty]

Highly doubt we'd ever go after him. He's due $13.5 million next year. Why would we trade two projected starters making the major league minimum (Logan and Volstad) for a guy who projects to make more than Ricky?

uhhhhhhh, Mainge...

[Mainge]

I think it's not, she doesn't want to see that. It's more, why would the notoriously cheap Marlins do that.

My comment has nothing to do with Volstad. I would say the same thing if the two projected starters were Logan and pick any of the guys making major league minimum that's projected to start next year. Do you really think that this team would dump two guys that they don't have to pay for so they can add $13.5 million in payroll? And that's on top of trying to resign Ricky and Uggla? That's what I meant.

Context clues, FTW.

[mbitcronod12]

Yeah, sorry I don't have everyone's salaries in front of me. I wasn't sure what JJ was making to say that he'd be making more than JJ. I just knew he'd be making more than Ricky and that that would give us 3 starting pitchers taking up almost half of what our payroll was this year. Add in Hanley and Anibal and we're getting really close to what our payroll was this year.

[Hugg]

We could just trade Nolasco, who is gonna get more money than he's worth anyway (and I like Ricky)

It's still a major upgrade. Greinke would be very good in the NL.

[Ralph]

We could just trade Nolasco, who is gonna get more money than he's worth anyway (and I like Ricky)

It's still a major upgrade. Greinke would be very good in the NL.

do it!! I mean hypothetically speaking I'd guess KC would want Ricky in any package for Greinke. They'll need some innings from somebod.

[marlins_virus.exe]

trading greinke for a package with nolasco doesn't make sense, if they're trading greinke it's to shed payroll

[Ralph]

I doubt they're putting him on the market because of payroll concerns. I think it's mostly because he doesn't want to be there and wont sign an extension beyond 2012.

[Big Z]

He's supposed to give out a list before the world series of 8-10 teams on his no trade list, according to MLBTR.