General MMA Discussion

[Ecpot]

UFC signed Tito Ortiz back:

UFC president Dana White touched on a wide variety of topics in a news conference call on Friday, including the signing of former light heavyweight champion and longtime antagonist Tito Ortiz along with several roster additions from the defunct Affliction promotion.

Ortiz (15-6-1) had what both sides categorized ahead of time as his final UFC fight on May 24, 2008, losing a one-sided decision to Lyoto Machida, the company’s current light heavyweight champion.

After major back surgery, Ortiz, 34, said he was targeting November or December for his return, with White saying Ortiz’s first opponent would be Mark Coleman (16-9), the 44-year-old former Olympic wrestler who was heavyweight champion in 1997, and is coming off an upset win over Stephan Bonnar on July 11.

[Branch]

I saw a commercial the other day that Anderson Silva gon be fighting former Light Heavyweight champ Forrest Griffin.

I wanna know where the hell I can watch that shit, 's gon be awesome.

Also, in the WEC, anybody know the next time Urijah Faber is gonna challenge Mike Brown to take back his Featherweight title? He went the distance against Brown last time with a broken/injured right hand, could win in a 2nd rematch.

[Ecpot]

I saw a commercial the other day that Anderson Silva gon be fighting former Light Heavyweight champ Forrest Griffin.

I wanna know where the hell I can watch that shit, 's gon be awesome.

Also, in the WEC, anybody know the next time Urijah Faber is gonna challenge Mike Brown to take back his Featherweight title? He went the distance against Brown last time with a broken/injured right hand, could win in a 2nd rematch.

I think Hooters should be showing UFC 101, I've seen a couple other UFC PPVs there already.

[Mainge]

Fedor Emelianenko, UFC finalizing deal

A long-awaited agreement between the Ultimate Fighting Championship and the man considered the world's best mixed martial arts fighter, Fedor Emelianenko, is expected to be announced by UFC President Dana White on Friday, a source with information about the negotiations told The Times today.

The source, who asked not to be identified because he's not authorized to speak publicly about the dealings, called negotiations between the UFC and Fedor "very civil" just days after Fedor's scheduled Affliction Trilogy fight Saturday against Josh Barnett was canceled.

omgomgomg.

He'd def get a shot at Lesnar first.

[Bingebag]

omgomgomg.

He'd def get a shot at Lesnar first.



Tito Ortiz is back in the UFC; Fedor Emelianenko might never join.

That was the news today when Ultimate Fighting Championship President Dana White held a news conference that earlier in the week appeared to be scheduled to introduce Emelianenko -- considered mixed martial arts' most talented fighter -- as a new signee.

"Trust me when I tell you, we did everything we could to make it happen," White said. "It's insanity that he turned this down. We were willing to make a deal at all costs."

The sticking point, as Emelianenko's camp revealed Wednesday, is the Russian fighter's M-1 promotional company insisting it be a co-promoter of two or three matches.



http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-mma-ortiz1-2009aug01,0,6156909.story

Looks like it's a no-go.

[Longview]

Yea it looks like hes going to sign with strike force :thumbdown

[Metes]

Fedor-Brock would be an enormous leap forward for UFC in addition to being an insanely badass fight. Dana's gotta find some way to get it done, because that could be big enough to break the sport into the mainstream.

[MiamiHomer]

Yeah, I don't really follow the sport but I know enough about Fedor and Lesner that if they were to fight I wouldn't miss it.

[Ecpot]

It seems like Fedor is scared of tough competition.
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I just saw this article about what happened with the deal:

It’s easy to paint Vadim Finkelchtein as the villain in this mess between heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko and the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

Emelianenko is the free agent heavyweight with the gaudy 30-1 record and small but passionate fan base. The UFC is the world’s finest mixed martial arts promotional company and has roughly 90 percent of the top 100 fighters in the world under contract.

Emelianenko was looking for a place to fight and the UFC wanted to put on what it believed could have become a massive pay-per-view show with a big push by pitting Emelianenko against Brock Lesnar, its silo-sized heavyweight champion.

But no deal was reached despite a lucrative offer from the UFC. Though UFC president Dana White wouldn’t rule it out, chances of it happening in the future are remote.

Finkelchtein is the Russian heavyweight’s manager and, more significantly, the president and co-owner of what purports to be a major MMA promotional company, M-1 Global. Finkelchtein clearly used Emelianenko as a pawn in an attempt to force the UFC to accept M-1 as a partner. All M-1 Global brought to the table was one fighter, even if he is a very good one, which would have made White a moron had he acquiesced to that demand.

If the UFC was in the business of giving 50 percent of its company away every time it tried to sign an elite fighter, it would have been in worse shape a lot sooner than Chrysler.

The reason the deal didn’t get done is simple: Fedor Emelianenko.

Emelianenko’s supporters are going to point the finger at White as the reason a deal did not get done. White, though, agreed to essentially every demand Emelianenko made. He offered to pay him more than he’s ever made. He agreed to allow Emelianenko to fight in combat sambo. He agreed to allow Emelianenko to advertise M-1 on his fight shorts, on the apparel he wore and on banners his cornermen brought with them to the cage.

What White wouldn’t do, though, is give half of his company to Finkelchtein in return for the, ahem, privilege, of promoting Emelianenko’s next few fights.

The demand was kind of like an owner in the Continental Basketball Association demanding 50 percent ownership in an NBA team before allowing his player to sign.

Emelianenko can fight wherever he wants, of course. His legacy, though, took a serious shellacking when he refused to order Finkelchtein to get a deal done.

That would have allowed Emelianenko, who was ranked No. 2 in the most recent Yahoo! Sports pound-for-pound Top 10 poll, to end any doubts whether he is as great as his most ardent supporters say or whether he is overrated, as White insists. Rather, Emelianenko acts as if he’s under some sort of spell cast by Finkelchtein. He’s never met White and when Finkelchtein, White and UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta negotiated via conference call, Emelianenko was on the line but said nothing.

All Emelianenko needed to do to know what he should have done was to look to Tito Ortiz, the UFC’s former light heavyweight champion. Ortiz and White have long engaged in a nasty public feud and they split, seemingly for good, after Ortiz’ contract ran out after he lost to Lyoto Machida at UFC 84 in May 2008.

There Ortiz was, however, on a conference call on Friday all chummy chummy with White. White revealed he had flown to Huntington Beach, Calif., recently and met personally with Ortiz, where they finalized resolved their differences.

Ortiz had dalliances with Elite XC and Affliction and said he was close to a deal to fight for Strikeforce. He referred to Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker as “an awesome guy.”

Ortiz said the reason he opted to fight in the UFC is simple: Competition. “Who was I going to fight there?” Ortiz said. “I want to fight the best.”

It’s too bad Emelianenko doesn’t have the same attitude. Had he been outraged by Finkelchtein’s negotiating tactics and insisted Finkelchtein work out the best possible deal, White would have been announcing an Emelianenko-Lesnar bout at his ballyhooed news conference on Friday rather than again railing at Finkelchtein’s bizarre stance.

Finkelchtein released a statement on Friday before the UFC news conference in which he said, in part, “All we are asking is that there is give-and-take in the negotiations and that they are not one-sided.”

But the UFC gave on the money. The UFC gave on the Fedor’s desire to compete in the Russian combat sport of sambo. The UFC gave on allowing Fedor to wear M-1’s logos. Finkelchtein wouldn’t budge on his ridiculous demand that the UFC make him a full promotional partner.

So now, Emelianenko will be a free agent, traveling the world in search of a fight. He could fight Josh Barnett, whom he was supposed to fight on Saturday on an Affliction card until Barnett tested positive for an anabolic steroid and was denied a license by the California State Athletic Commission.

Emelianenko remains highly popular in Japan, where they don’t test for steroids and don’t honor U.S. suspensions. Barnett, who has been caught cheating more than once, could be licensed there and conceivably could fight Emelianenko.

But there are precious few quality opponents for him outside of the UFC. And none of the fights would captivate the world’s interest the way UFC 100 did on July 11.

Emelianenko is largely unknown in the U.S. despite his 30-1 record and long winning streak. The three pay-per-view shows he headlined in this country – PRIDE 32 in 2006, Affliction 1 in 2008 and Affliction 2 in January – sold a combined total of fewer than 300,000 units.

UFC 100 alone sold well over 1.5 million.

Finkelchtein clearly botched the negotiations, but he’s not to blame.

If Emelianenko really wanted to be in the UFC and fight the best competition in the world, he would have made certain Finkelchtein got it done.

If you want to blame someone in this fiasco, blame Emelianenko.

It’s 100 percent his fault.






http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Am4bK0b72w1fuWUQD_PzEgc9Eo14?slug=ki-fedorufc073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Ecpot]

The card for UFC 101 tomorrow night:

Lightweight Championship bout: B.J. Penn (c) vs. Kenny Florian

Light Heavyweight bout: Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin

Welterweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs. Johny Hendricks

Middleweight bout: Kendall Grove vs. Ricardo Almeida

Lightweight bout: Josh Neer vs. Kurt Pellegrino

[Longview]

Rooting for Florian, and id love to see Griffin upset Silva. Other then that just wanna see some good brawls.

[Metes]

Top 2 should be great fights. Silva-Griffin could be an instant classic, I wish it was a title bout. But maybe Silva will actually fight this time, since his belt isn't on the line.

[BigGameFish]

I'm starting to become more and more interested in this sport. I actually want to see UFC 101 tonight. Would love to see Lesnar-Fedor

[Ralph]

Anderson Silva is the motherfucking truth. BJ Penn is awesome and Forrest Griffin is a little bitch.
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Silva is pretty much out of the UFC though. :(

[Longview]

Silva was just toying with him the whole fight, Griffin is nowhere near his level. What was with Griffin running off after the fight?

[Metes]

Griffin got just absolutely pwned, like a little ragdoll. Shame on me for thinking he had a chance. It's pretty clear that nobody can touch Silva, the only real test for him would be Lyoto Machida.

[Ecpot]

Carano vs Cyborg tonight on Showtime, anyone watching it?

[Mainge]

Griffin got just absolutely pwned, like a little ragdoll. Shame on me for thinking he had a chance. It's pretty clear that nobody can touch Silva, the only real test for him would be Lyoto Machida.

Obviously I'm late but this is insane. Looked like something out of the Matrix.

http://i30.tinypic.com/s5ixp0.gif

[Ralph]

Just a heads up The Ultimate Fighter with Kimbo starts tonight at 10.

[Metes]

I'm officially getting hyped about Machida-Rua. Should be one of the sickest fights in a long time. Machida will win, but I think Shogun can give him a hell of a fight, as good as any light heavyweight can right now.

[Metes]

Biggest fight of the year tonight. I really hope Shogun can make this one interesting.

[Longview]

Ive got Machida in the 3rd. I think Machida is gonna win the first two rounds and then finish him in the 3rd. All Shogun needs to do is catch him one time, but i think Machida is just too good.

Any good undercards? i really haven't been keeping up with this fight card other than Machida and Shogun.

[Metes]

Rua got jobbed.

[Longview]

That fight literally put me to sleep...I need to go back and watch it before i say anything about it.

[FishFF]

Machida lost that fight, unless you take the if you're going to take the belt you need to win convincingly approach. That did not look like classic Machida, I'm assuming his legs were not right, or Rua to them out early. Expected so much more from that fight :(

[FishFF]

Fedor fight was awesome

[Chewford]

I saw some Russian guy beat Apollo Creed even though his nose got broked.

[Ecpot]

I've been lazy, I'll try to start this thread again

UFC 110 is tomorrow night, the card:

Heavyweight Bout: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
Middleweight Bout: Wanderlei Silva vs. Michael Bisping
Lightweight Bout: Joe Stevenson vs. George Sotiropoulos
Light Heavyweight Bout: Keith Jardine vs. Ryan Bader
Heavyweight Bout: Mirko Filipović vs. Anthony Perosh

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And hopefully UFC 117 or 118 will be in Boston.

[Ralph]

Cain Velazquez is scary good.
Happy for Wanderlei and glad he beat that pus Bisping
Joe Stevenson got manhandled
Keith Jardine is donezo
Cro Cop looked phenominal but he fought a dud.

[Ecpot]

UFC Fight Night and a new season The Ultimate Fighter tonight.
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Great fight so far.
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Ross Pearson won.
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The fights have been nice and bloody so far.

[Ralph]

Rampage vs Rashad on Saturday!!

Rua gon beat the winner though.

[Ralph]

So yeah Fedor lost.

Super duper excited for Lesnar/Carwin this Saturday. Really hoping Carwin takes it.

[Ecpot]

Lesnar gon win!!

[Metes]

Lesnar should take it

I'm glad Fedor lost, that gives him less leverage when negotiating with UFC and now he'll have to make the jump

[Ralph]

I just <3 Carwin. Lesnar is a douche and I hope he gets knocked the fuck out.

[Ralph]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99fHj3a01dY

[Mainge]

Really excited for tonight.

[FishFF]

Bonnar is fun.

[FishFF]

Brock is a fucking beast

[Ecpot]

LESNAR!

[FishFF]

http://i50.tinypic.com/4j9s40.jpg

[LocoMarlinFan]

Lesnar is a fuking beast but they would have stopped that fight in the 1st rd if it was anybody else. It's truly amazing how fast Lesnar is evolving as a true all around MMA fighter though. Don't think to many people envisioned Lesnar winning by sub

[Ralph]

amyoneone aelse it gets called in the 1st it was bs Carwin had it. Cannot wait tilll part 2 arwin wont punch himdlself out sid s time.
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Lesnar is a fuking beast but they would have stopped that fight in the 1st rd if it was anybody else. It's truly amazing how fast Lesnar is evolving as a true all around MMA fighter though. Don't think to many people envisioned Lesnar winning by sub

Yes idf brock wasnt the money cow he ios he gets TKO'd in rd 1 but he got bfenefit of dougbht and gtot lucky. Shane punched himself out but I love UFC so much more for legtting it ride

[Ecpot]

I thinks Ralph is drunk.

[Hugg]

Lesanr never stopped defending himself though, which is what the rule is supposed to be.

[Mainge]

The fights last night were fun. Chael fucking had it but I think everyone and there mother saw that sub coming. He was way too low in his guard from rd. 3 onward.

[Metes]

Right when he was on the ground in the 5th I had that feeling Silva would get him. Badass fight though. Silva has some fucking chin on him, he took a pounding and didn't show a thing.

[Ralph]

A Fight Against Jon Jones Couldn’t Go Any Worse Than Loss To Anderson Silva – Forrest Griffin

A recent interview with Forrest Griffin, who is out on the road promoting his new book, was a guest on the “Jason Ellis Show on Sirius XM – Faction” on Aug. 10 was asked about a rumor that he’d be facing fast rising UFC light-heavyweight Jon “Bones” Jones.

Griffin gave a less than enthusiastic reply to the question. Here’s part of the transcript for the interview from BloodyElbow.com.

“I hope I am not fighting Jon ‘Bones’ Jones. I might be. F*ck it; if I am, I am. I will do it, but I am not even training right now. That is a bad dude. That dude will whoop my ass. F*ck it. What is the worst, I mean, it could not be worse than Anderson Silva. It should not be worse than that, right? Every fight I go into, no matter what happens, it could not be worse than Anderson Silva.”

“Because that sh*t was a year ago and literally every day people ask me something about that – What happened? What happened?”

“[Anderson punched me in the chin] Repeatedly and I was very confused. I tried to punch him and he literally moved his head out of the way and looked at me like I was stupid for doing it. He looked at me like – “Why would you do such a stupid thing?” He looked at me like – “Oh, did you really think you were going to hit me? What a stupid thing to think, you slow slow white boy.”
http://www.ifight365.com/2010/08/a-fight-against-jon-jones-couldn%E2%80%99t-go-any-worse-than-loss-to-anderson-silva-%E2%80%93-forrest-griffin/
ehe

Also BJ Penn vs Frankie Edgar 2 and Couture vs Toney on Saturday. :marchmellow

Also Ryan Couture, Randy's son won his strike force debut by submission/

[Ecpot]

I was going to see it live but it's over $300 a ticket. It's better on pay per view anyways.

[Metes]

At least Griffin realizes he's a little bitch and can joke about it

[Ecpot]

118 sucked.

[Ralph]

121 manana!!! Brock Vs Cain gon be awsome. Hope Cain can take it but if not I'm cool with it because Brock vs Dos Santos can be fun. Also Jake Shields debuts tomorrow. Also Brendan Schaub getting his first real test since Big Country in the UFC going up against Gonzaga that should be fun.

[Mainge]

That was a clean ass whoopin'

[Metes]

That cut was deeeeep

[Metes]

http://www.mocksession.com/30fps//Shockwave%20Flash%20(Chrome%20Plug-In%20Host)ScreenSnapz003.jpg

[jOOj]

Face. Off.

[Mainge]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2nkigc9.jpg

[Mainge]

BJ whooped ass. Lyoto got jobbed

[Mainge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SFygdPVFHo&feature=player_embedded

[Ralph]

Go Koscheck

[Ralph]

herschel walker looked pretty good.

[AdamRavs]

Hershal looked good however.. Carson Was awful and made Hershal look that much better..

The Diaz Cyborg fight was damn good tho!

[MiamiHomer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqgAeXrbxiM

[Ralph]

Ryan Couture on strike force now
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He won via rear naked choke. Showed a lot in grappling, stand up and ju jit su. He'll be in the UFC once his contract is up.

[Mainge]

Fedor thinks Silva hypnotized him.

[Ecpot]

I guess it's good UFC didn't sign him?

[Ralph]

UFC gon buy strikeforce.

[Ralph]

tomorrows gon be soo awsome

[Metes]

Yessa

[Ralph]

Nick Diaz vs GSP on Oct. 29 at UFC 137. Been planning a Vegas trip might just make it that weekend and catch this fight. It's gon be soo much fun.

[Hugg]

Lesnar doing this pre-fight is hilarious.

Anyone else gonna watch? I'm not really a big UFC guy, but shit it's a free title fight
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Wow, Velasquez got fucking owned.
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1:05 in, fight over

fucking sick

[MiamiHomer]

Three hours of pre-game analysis for 4 minutes of fighting.

[Hugg]

1 minute of fighting

this is why I can't get into it. that fucking ruled, but I'd be mad if I paid for it

it was free though, so awesome

[jOOj]

That happened. They'll rematch, and B0rkc will lose his fight against that monster.

[Mainge]

1 minute of fighting

this is why I can't get into it. that fucking ruled, but I'd be mad if I paid for it

it was free though, so awesome

It's usually a 6 or 7 fight show though so it's never pay $50 for a 1-minute fight.

That being said, I never pay. I either stream it or go to Duffys with my pops and brother.

[Mainge]

What a bad ass card.

[Metes]

Is the main event over?

[Mainge]

: joker

[Mainge]

Cub Swanson just decapitated someone. Holy shit.

[Mainge]

Holy shit that was disgusting. Worst cut I've seen.

[Mainge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpT2W4zRzzM


EHAEHEHEAHAEHAEHAEEHAEHEHEAHAEHAEHAEEHAEHEHEAHAEHA EHAE
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"He fed a bus a carrot and now they have computers?"
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Holy shit that was disgusting. Worst cut I've seen.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/238021/tumblr_lyjbdaLHVh1qim34vo1_1280.jpg

[Ralph]

He's a douche but he does say some funny shit sometimes. Also excited for this weekends card. Big fan of both Diaz and Condit so hard for me to pick a side.

[Metes]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/238021/tumblr_lyjbdaLHVh1qim34vo1_1280.jpg

The Tiki Barber workin on him looks very concerned

[Mainge]

Holy shit Stephen Thompson

[jOOj]

Footfaced.

[Mainge]

That was a fun fight card.

[dim]

Diaz obviously lost that fight. Him saying Condit "ran" the entire fight when Condit when Diaz had cuts on his face is stupid. Condit was aggressive the entire fight, he just wasn't stupid enough to have himself backed into a corner so that Diaz could tee off.

Condit made that mistake one time in the fight, and Diaz threw numerous punches to the body. Condit made the right corrections. I actually felt before the fight Condit was the more controlled fighter, and that would help him win.

While GSP/Condit may not be the most exciting, it is the fight between the two best welterweights currently in the world.

[Ralph]

I should pull out my dick and piss on you. Diaz controlled that fight that was BS decision.

[Mainge]

I should pull out my dick and piss on you. Diaz controlled that fight that was BS decision.

If controlling the fight is chasing air and getting picked apart, then yes, he controlled the fight.

Not sure why one take down and getting out-hit (for the first time in his career) by a large margin means he should have won.

[Ralph]

im gonna piss on you too. he was the aggressor landed harder hits and took him down. condit was crawling away backing up all fight with some gay little leg kicks. It wa bs.

[Mainge]

Nah. Not even close.

[Ralph]

ok cool good for you. I could care less wbout your opinion. enjoy my piss

[Mainge]

Awesome. Enjoy being fucking retarded
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/isn't taking this that serious
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MMAjunkie.com scored the fight 49-46 for Condit

SCORECARD: Diaz, 48-49

Dana White: Condit 49-48

ESPN.com had Condit winning the fight by a score of 48-47

Only independent scorers I could find. If you want to argue it could have gone either way but you think Diaz won, fine. Won't get an argument here. But keep your pee to yourself.

[Mainge]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2wmm0bl.jpg