Marlins Talking Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez

[Ralph]

•The Padres are fielding all sorts of calls on Heath Bell. Of the dozen or so interested, the Marlins have probably been the most aggressive.
From Mlb Trade Rumors but he got it from Buster Olney's ESPN insider thing.

[Fish and Chips]

Bell is interesting

[Namaste]

:cool

That's one ugly delivery but he's been effective.

[Ralph]

The Padres are getting all kinds of hits on closer Heath Bell -- almost a dozen teams have expressed interest -- and not surprisingly, the Florida Marlins have been among the most aggressive teams, reports ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

The Marlins have had issues at the back end of their bullpen for much of the season, and Bell would solidify that spot. The Padres have made it clear to other teams that while they are not intent on moving Bell, they will be willing to make a trade if somebody makes an aggressive offer that can help the San Diego organization in the long run. Bell, an NL All-Star this year, has converted 25 of 26 save chances, while compiling a 2.01 ERA. Baseball Prospectus
Bell is worth paying a premium "Finding year-to-year consistency from relievers is no easy thing. Enter Bell, in the top 10 in Fair Runs Allowed (which includes a reliever's rates of inherited runs he lets score) this season with a 1.78 FRA, that after giving the Pad people a 3.55 FRA in 2008 and a 1.66 FRA in 2007. In short, he's someone with a multi-year track record for success, and he'd be under team control for two more (arbitration-eligible) seasons beyond this year. As a result, between his relative durability and his performance track record, he's a reliever worth paying a premium to add." - Christina Kahrl
He'll cost alot. I'd prefer a bat. w/e

[MiamiHomer]

Echoing Buster Olney's earlier reports, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi at Fox Sports are saying that the Marlins are indeed the most aggressive of 10 to 15 teams looking to add Heath Bell. The Marlins have the prospects to get a deal done and "could easily absorb" the $400k left owed to Bell this season. However, the Padres are said to want the Marlins' top starting pitching prospects in Sean West and Andrew Miller if such a deal were to happen, a high price to pay.

mlbtraderumors.

[nny]

if we trade a sp for bell GRR ANGRY FACE

[MiamiHomer]

What if that Adrian guy was attached.

/highly unlikely
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I just got a great laugh out of the guy that left a comment about the rumor.

Teams Hot After Heath (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/teams-hot-after-heath.html)

[lou]

What I don't understand about Bell is, he will be 5th year arbitration eligible. This move can't be so short sighted for this year? And coming off a monster year. I think it's very likely Bell would get to $5 million in 2010. I love "pen" stability, and holy crap would a Bell, Nunez, Lindstorm, Meyer, Vanden Hurk, Badenhop, and Pinto/loogy bullpen look balls awesome next year, but that's a lot of cash we don't have unless Loria says the magic "$40 million" number for 2010.

And what the hell does Bell cost? I can't imagine the Marlins dishing Stanton, Morrison, or Dominguez for him. Maybe West? And then let Depodesta poach 2 other minor league relievers (Tucker? Leroux?). And I'm guessing here, but Kouzmanoff would literally have to be included in the deal right? Cause we do need a bat, and Kouz is pretty lame, but he did rake AAA and maybe just needs a change of scenery. His career away is .793. Then we dish out spare parts for Pavano and pennant here we come! .............

Fake 2010 Team

C John Baker $415,000
1B Gaby Sanchez $405,000
2B Chris Coghlan $405,000
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff $2,000,000
SS Hanley Ramirez $7,000,000
LF Logan Morrison $400,000
RF Brett Carroll $410,000
CF Cameron Maybin $410,000
B Wes Helms $950,000
B Brett Hayes $400,000
B John Raynor $400,000
B Veteran OF $1,250,000
B Emilio Bonifacio $405,000

SP Josh Johnson $5,000,000
SP Ricky Nolasco $4,250,000
SP Chris Volstad $415,000
SP Andrew Miller $2,000,000
SP Carl Pavano $4,000,000
RP Heath Bell $5,000,000
RP Matt Lindstrom $1,000,000
RP Leo Nunez $1,250,000
RP Rick Vanden Hurk $410,000
RP Burke Badenhop $410,000
RP Dan Meyer $410,000
RP Reynel Pinto $900,000

$39,895,000

Let's say West, Tucker, and some decent RP prospect(s) for Bell/Kouz, and inconsequential parts for Pavano. Obviously can play around with the numbers if we opt not to keep Kouz and bring in a younger 3B, the bench OF, and Pavano if you think that is unreasonable.

We'd have Uggla, Hermida, Ross, Cantu, Amezaga, and Anibal to trade. If that brings back a bunch of pitchers, and we have Stanton, Dominguez, Cousins, Petersen, Thompson, Winters, G. Taylor, Trahern, Cishek, Leroux, Wood, etc in AAA/AA; Smolinski, Galloway, Skipworth, and 10 pitchers in A ball, that doesn't look TO bad depth wise.

We'd hopefully have Hanley and JJ locked up, we'd have 6th year arbitration rights in 2011 to Bell and Nolasco, 5th year rights to Nunez, Lindstrom, Miller, and Kouz, 4th year rights to I think just Badenhop of all people, and no one else (Volstad, Baker) sniffs arbitration until at least 2012.

Actually. This works pretty well if Loria says "$40 million" 2010. The only thing I'm iffy about in this entire situation is not having a front line SP prospect, even a West or Vanden Hurk, sitting in AA/AAA. I like what Sanabia is doing, some of you like Winters a lot, and I have a soft spot for Thompson, but I'd really like a "Volstad" to just be sitting in AA killing people. But I guess that is a 2011 problem, and we can sacrifice West now to make our bullpen Minnesotaesque.

[Metes]

Ehe that whole thread is funny

[wanks1212]

Minnesota's bullpen isn't very good, FWIW.

But yeah, Bell would be worth a pitching prospect or two. If they'd take Miller instead of West, that would also help with the salary situation. Miller + Tucker (or, preferably, Thompson) + another lower level prospect would be ok. I'd pay more if they'd take Miller instead of West. Miller's upside may be higher, adn it would suck if he went to SD and put it all together, but at the same time West's cost controlled years seem more valuable to the future than Miller's potential. And that 2010 bullpen would be really cool. Like, get the game to the seventh inning and it's over the vast majority of the time cool.

Doubt they'd take Miller though instead of West, so this is kinda moot. And if they want both Miller and West, then fuck that noise.

[tjfla]

Well it should be a fun 2 days for us. Like my boy Rosenthal said we are into Heath Bell and they are willing to take Andrew Miller and another prospect or 2 however we have started to F*CK this up to.

They asked for Sean West or Andrew Miller which we countered with Jeremy Hermida:fipp: and prospects. They want pitchers and we keep pushing crap on them. on the brightside at least they are not asking for Stanton,Morrison,or Coghlan like every other team.

Buddy said a Miller,minor league OF(Cousins,Petersen i guess),and a minor league arm could get this done

Not sure how much more of this they are gonna deal with tho because the teams are lined up for him and if it takes a young SP and a prospect,there will be ALOT of them ready to deal that.

The other reason we are OK with dealing prospects is because we are looking to deal either Hermida or Ross with prospects in return

In other news still hearing we are looking at Carl Pavano with the big hangup still his contract. We want them to pay it and they want us to give a better prospect if they do. Not that big of an issue really,I think it is more of us playing chicken with Cleveland to see who blinks first. Cleveland does not need or want Pavano so the Marlins thinking is they will come around and say deal just take him.

Interesting name teams have been calling about is Kiko Calero who we are NOT trading.

[Ralph]

Interesting with San Deigo (for nny). I'd just hate trading away a SP + for a reliever.

[MiamiHomer]

Is Bell the only thing we would get in return?

[tjfla]

Is Bell the only thing we would get in return?

From what I hear but who knows? They want to lose payroll and get younger. If we wanted a Kouzmanoff they would probably throw him in

I think it is also more about getting something for Heath Bell,the guy is at the highest value he will ever be and they are not gonna compete for 3 years or so. The thinking is trade him now and get a nice package rather get him thru arbitration or if something happens between now and next year(injured,can't close games). In other words they are rebuilding and don't wanna pay him millions to close games for a terrible team

[Ralph]

If they could get Bell and Headley I'd feel a little better.

[Fritz]

Can we have AdGon back?

[Bucklin12]

I like Coghlan just as much as Headley... probably more. I doubt we could even get Headley. This deal blows.

[MiamiHomer]

Gammons was just on ESPN and said we were in on Lee and we contacted the Padres about Gonzo and Bell and asked the Nats about Nick Johnson.

[m26555]

Gammons was just on ESPN and said we were in on Lee and we contacted the Padres about Gonzo and Bell and asked the Nats about Nick Johnson.
That would be filthy...

[Ralph]

Gammons was just on ESPN and said we were in on Lee and we contacted the Padres about Gonzo and Bell and asked the Nats about Nick Johnson.

Gonzo and Bell would be nice. Would definitely include Miler, West, + more.

[MiamiHomer]

I would guess Morrison would be in there too.

[m26555]

I would guess Morrison would be in there too.
I'd probably do that.

[Bucklin12]

I wonder if Gonzo can play LF. Eh. Probably not.

[Fish and Chips]

would West, CC, Miller, Morrison, low-level prospect be enough?
For Bell and Gonzo

[Ralph]

I don't think they'd trade both young pitchers and any of the big 3 (Morrison,Stanton and to a lesser extent Doming)

[Fritz]

I wonder if Gonzo can play LF. Eh. Probably not.

He's a GG caliber 1B. I think it'd be silly to move him. Cantu at 3B and he looks better just because of Gonzo's defense.

[Bucklin12]

He's a GG caliber 1B. I think it'd be silly to move him. Cantu at 3B and he looks better just because of Gonzo's defense.

True.

[Metes]

"We're in on Bell and they are willing to take Andrew Miller and another prospect or two"

This made me giggle a bit

[Bucklin12]

Bell/Gonzalez for Morrison/Miller or West/Sanabia/Smolinski

I would do that, but my God we would need to trade for a SP.

The comparisons of these two lineups are retarded, unfortunately so is the FO's love for Boner so I don't think it happens.


Coghlan
Hermida
Hanley
Gonzo
Cantu
Uggla
Cody
Bake
JJ <-- RBI Machine

Coghlan
Boner
Hanley
Cantu
Hermida
Uggla
Cody
Bake

[Fritz]

Those lineups make me feel very special in my bathing suit areas.

[Bucklin12]

The Reds are said to be in on Bell... Let's flip Bell/Hermida for Harang ( he's supposedly being shopped )

Johnson, Nolasco, Harang, Volstad, RVH

Maybin
Coghlan
Hanley
Gonzo
Cantu
Uggla
Cody
Bake

Yes, please.

[m26555]

I still don't see why the Reds are "in" on anybody. They have absolutely no shot at winning anything this season and they already have their closer in Cordero. Makes no sense.

[The Hanram]

If we got Adrian Gonzalez I would do oh so many things.

A back to back of Hanley and Adrian Gonzalez instantly makes this lineup one of the best in the league, if only because it shifts everyone down to a better spot and could conceivably cover up for Bonifacio's inabilities (I still think he would be the uber-super sub that would fit in perfectly for this team).

[Fish and Chips]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/marlins-in-serious-talks-for-heath-bell.html#comments

Marlins In Serious Talks For Heath Bell
By Tim Dierkes [July 30, 2009 at 11:12am CST]

Via Twitter, SI's Jon Heyman tells us the Marlins are "in serious talks with the Padres for Heath Bell." Heyman says it looks like it could be Andrew Miller or Sean West. Either young lefty seems like a solid return for the Padres' closer.

[MiamiHomer]

Via Twitter, SI's Jon Heyman tells us the Marlins are "in serious talks with the Padres for Heath Bell." Heyman says it looks like it could be Andrew Miller or Sean West. Either young lefty seems like a solid return for the Padres' closer.

I really hope they are looking to add A-Gon.

[nny]

So let me get this strait

We have very little ML ready SP options.

We have an abundance of ML ready RP options.

And we are then going to trade a SP for a RP?

Have you fucks not heard "trade from strength to improve your weakness"???

in WHAT parallel FUCKING universe do you FUCKING trade your FUCKING weakness for your FUCKING strength

[Party]

Wow is the Miguel Cabrera trade going to look bad if Miller is traded.

[Bobbob1313]

Lol if wetrade miller for bell and get no gonzo anyways...

[Bucklin12]

Geesh... 2 years later, Miguel Cabrera for Burke Badenhop

[FishFanInPA]

Could we get Kouzmanoff too?

[Metes]

Miller or West for Bell is uber fucking retarded

[Bucklin12]

Shit. If you're going to do it Larry, do it. Offer up Morrison/Miller or West/pick two lower specs like Sanabia and Smolinski and get Gonzo and Bell over here.
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Or let's go for V-mart, the Indians are bent on trading him before tomorrow's end.

[Bobbob1313]

Morrison, West, Tucker is what I'm offering.

[m26555]

Morrison, West, Tucker is what I'm offering.
That could get it done, to be honest.

[Beef]

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, for real, but who are you to say "to be honest" about that? I would leave that to the GM on the other side if he were to receive that offer.

/I am not an asshole at trade deadline time, it just seems like it

[Fish and Chips]

11:49am: ESPN's Buster Olney says the Marlins declined the request for Miller or West.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/marlins-in-serious-talks-for-heath-bell.html

[m26555]

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, for real, but who are you to say "to be honest" about that? I would leave that to the GM on the other side if he were to receive that offer.

/I am not an asshole at trade deadline time, it just seems like it
In my opinion, it seems like that could get it done.

[Metes]

Thank God. Get AGonz and we'll talk

[Bucklin12]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/marlins-in-serious-talks-for-heath-bell.html

Small victory.

[MiamiHomer]

Early Thursday afternoon, the negotiations between the Florida Marlins and the San Diego Padres about closer Heath Bell are at a standstill, reports ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

The Marlins want Bell to fill the hole at the back end of their bullpen, but sources say the Padres have asked Florida for one player in particular -- perhaps Andrew Miller, or Sean West. The Marlins have declined the request, and it remains to be seen if the Marlins will relent, or if the Padres -- who have a lot of teams working to deal for Bell -- will feel compelled to lower their demands.

ESPN insider

[tjfla]

How fast would the Padres jump on a
Morrison,Alderson,Miller for Bell and Gonzalez deal?

Gotta love us holding onto Uggla

1B-Gonzalez
2B-Boner
SS-Hanley
3B-Cantu

Just saying!! O wait we are playing for NOW that lineup looks terrible SORRY

[Beef]

So Alderson WAS offered for Uggla?

[tjfla]

Not 1 reason for San Diego to lower there price. Teams are lining up for Heath Bell

[Metes]

Please, enough with the Uggla

[m26555]

How fast would the Padres jump on a
Morrison,Alderson,Miller for Bell and Gonzalez deal?

Gotta love us holding onto Uggla

1B-Gonzalez
2B-Boner
SS-Hanley
3B-Cantu

Just saying!! O wait we are playing for NOW that lineup looks terrible SORRY
Hindsight is 20/20, bud.

[tjfla]

So Alderson WAS offered for Uggla?

No clue but would have to think so. Alderson or anything young arm they got.

I know they wanted him and kept getting NO. Uggla is younger,cheaper and more power than Sanchez.

[FishFanInPA]

Let's drop the pursuit of Bell and just turn to Gonzalez.

[Beef]

Imagine if we never traded Adrian Gonzalez, we could pull in a nice haul for him now

[Bucklin12]

OMG, what could we do with Derek Lee?

[tjfla]

Imagine if we never traded Adrian Gonzalez, we could pull in a nice haul for him now

or have no problem trading Stanton or Morrison for Halladay??

[MiamiHomer]

This is getting stupid...can we just discuss the actual topic.

[Bucklin12]

Man, Morrison's approach is so ridiculous right now I wonder what he could do with a callup.

[Beef]

This is getting stupid...can we just discuss the actual topic.

What is the topic? It begins with the Marlins inquiring about some guy and turns into, hey, this guy is on that team, lets get him too, ok, then we would just have to throw in one top level prospect and some Chris Seddons, ok, while we're at it, we could flip the one guy we get and get even more from other teams because players on our team are always the most valuable commodities in the world so we can get the most from other teams for players and not give up much because our players are worth so much and other players arent until they are on our team, etc. etc.

[Ramp]

still not sure why we're going hard after Bell

[Namaste]

You're forgetting who is going after him. This is classic Beinfest/Loria.

[Bucklin12]

The Marlins are a bit more open to trading Rick VandenHurk than guys like Sean West and Andrew Miller.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/padres-rumors-kouzmanoff-durango-correia.html

[pdub858]

fanball.com
ESPN.com reports that the Padres have been denied Sean West and Andrew Miller of the Marlins farm system as trade pieces in a deal involving closer Heath Bell.

This certainly confirms that Bell is on the market, and it looks like it will take a near major league-ready arm to get him. He has 48 strikeouts in 40.1 innings to go with 25 saves and a 2.01 ERA.

[Metes]

Well duh, as they should be

[tjfla]

fanball.com
ESPN.com reports that the Padres have been denied Sean West and Andrew Miller of the Marlins farm system as trade pieces in a deal involving closer Heath Bell.

This certainly confirms that Bell is on the market, and it looks like it will take a near major league-ready arm to get him. He has 48 strikeouts in 40.1 innings to go with 25 saves and a 2.01 ERA.

They still could be talking about that however seems we have moved onto West into a Halladay deal

[tjfla]

Angels are said to be on him big right now

[Fish and Chips]

according to Dan leBatard's show

the padres offered adrian and bell for stanton, maybin, and miller

that very creditable, but out there

[m26555]

according to Dan leBatard's show

the padres offered adrian and bell for stanton, maybin, and miller

that very creditable, but out there
Hmm...very, very tempting. I like the fact that we don't have to give up West.

[MiamiHomer]

Hmm...very, very tempting. I like the fact that we don't have to give up West.

Ummm no thanks.

[m26555]

Ummm no thanks.
Come on; you have to at least think about it if Adrian Gonzalez is in that deal.

[marlinsfan24]

I don't mind that deal at all.

[Beef]

Look, we have an affinity for guys we know and guys that we have been excited about for a while. We dont like deals that involve us giving something we like in return for something we like. If it's not Seddons for All Stars, we gon be pissed

[Omar]

according to Dan leBatard's show

the padres offered adrian and bell for stanton, maybin, and miller

that very creditable, but out there
I'd try to swap Stanton for Morrison.....though, if Gonzalez is signed long term that's actually a pretty solid deal.

[MiamiHomer]

If we balked at Toronto's asking price of Maybin and Stanton for Halladay then why would we do this?

[Maybin]

Considering the state of our OF, with Hermida (defensive liability), Ross (getting expensive), and Coghlan(a 2nd/3rd baseman), I would not trade away our two top OF prospects for a player whose position already has a top prospect.

I agree with SZ. Switch Stanton with Morrison.

[m26555]

If we balked at Toronto's asking price of Maybin and Stanton for Halladay then why would we do this?
Because Gonzalez is an everyday player who is probably going to hit over 40 home runs while driving in 100+.

[marlinsfan24]

Maybin
Morrison
Miller

for

Gonzo
Bell

Get that done

[Longview]

The thought of throwing Gonzalez in the middle of our line up :wub

[Jewbility]

If we balked at Toronto's asking price of Maybin and Stanton for Halladay then why would we do this?

because we're also getting a closer for the price of an inconsistent pitcher that has no future on our team. The philosophy may be that an everyday player can have more of an impact than one that plays every 5 days.

[tjfla]

according to Dan leBatard's show

the padres offered adrian and bell for stanton, maybin, and miller

that very creditable, but out there

True rumor however heard was Morrison,Miller,another Minor League pitcher probably Alex Sanabia and probably another prospect

Which is why I said if we would have traded with San Francisco and got an Alderson it would have been Morrison,Miller,Alderson but we didn't.

Thats why I said like 5 hrs ago about if we moved Dan Uggla our IF would be

1B-Gonzalez
2B-Boner
SS-Hanley
3B-Cantu

I said that I got destroyed by all of the Dan Uggla lovers

[m26555]

True rumor however heard was Morrison,Miller,another Minor League pitcher probably Alex Sanabia and probably another prospect

Which is why I said if we would have traded with San Francisco and got an Alderson it would have been Morrison,Miller,Alderson but we didn't.

Thats why I said like 5 hrs ago about if we moved Dan Uggla our IF would be

1B-Gonzalez
2B-Boner
SS-Hanley
3B-Cantu

I said that I got destroyed by all of the Dan Uggla lovers
So any idea if we're still discussing this with SD or is it pretty much dead?

[MiamiHomer]

I'm not a fan of a deal sending out 2/3's of our potential OF.

[m26555]

I'm not a fan of a deal sending out 2/3's of our potential OF.
No, but I am a fan of having Hanley and Gonzalez hitting back-to-back in the middle of the order.

[Beef]

True rumor however heard was Morrison,Miller,another Minor League pitcher probably Alex Sanabia and probably another prospect

Which is why I said if we would have traded with San Francisco and got an Alderson it would have been Morrison,Miller,Alderson but we didn't.

Thats why I said like 5 hrs ago about if we moved Dan Uggla our IF would be

1B-Gonzalez
2B-Boner
SS-Hanley
3B-Cantu

I said that I got destroyed by all of the Dan Uggla lovers

The bold is something that would be said by a dumb asshole

Cmon, dont be a dumb asshole

[Fish and Chips]

switch morrison for stanton and include a nice ML bullpen arm or a single A pitchers

[Beef]

IF WE TRADED CHRIS SEDDON FOR ROY HALLADAY WE COULD FLIP ROY HALLADAY FOR ADRIAN GONZALEZ, HEATH BELL AND PROSPECTS

[tjfla]

No clue I heard it like at NOON. But I highly doubt we trade 2 of Maybin/Morrison/Stanton for anything.


I know they offered what Lebatard said and we rejected them. If we would offer a Miller/West/and 1 of the big 3 the deal would be done

They want PITCHING!!

[FishFanInPA]

No thanks to dealing Stanton to SD. How long would we be able to control Gonzalez? What's his contract like?

[marlinsfan24]

Alex Sanabia
Andrew Miller
Cameron Maybin
another prospect

for

Gonzo
Bell

possible?

[m26555]

No thanks to dealing Stanton to SD. How long would we be able to control Gonzalez? What's his contract like?
Adrian Gonzalez 1b
4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option

* 4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
o signed extension with San Diego 4/07, replacing 1 year/$0.3805M contract which had been renewed 3/07
o $0.5M signing bonus
o 07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)
o award bonuses: $50,000 for Gold Glove, $25,000 for All Star selection
o 2008 All Star selection increased price of 2011 club option to $5.6M
* 1 year/$0.3275M (2006)
o re-signed by San Diego 2/06
* 1 year/$0.316M (2005)
o re-signed by San Diego 2/05 (split contract, $76,400 in minors)
* drafted 2000 (1-1)
* $3M signing bonus
* agent: John Boggs
* ML service: 3.108

[tjfla]

Alex Sanabia
Andrew Miller
Cameron Maybin
another prospect

for

Gonzo
Bell

possible?

Probably NOT but thats what we would offer and we would get Miller,West,and Morrison or Stanton

[Beef]

no



























ugh

[marlinsfan24]

so you don't think a deal with the padres is likely?
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i don't blame the FO if we don't add a huge impact player. everyones asking for too much

[MiamiHomer]

This is the same deal with Halladay. The Padres have no need to deal Gonzalez unless they get exactly what they want in a deal.

[tjfla]

All depends on what we offer. They want this

1 of Morrison/Stanton/Maybin with Stanton their fave
and
2 ML ready pitchers (West and Miller)

This is where a healthy Anibal Sanchez,Kyle Winters,or Ryan Tucker would be useful or a RVH that was healthy and was dominanting AAA would come in handy


Its like the Boston/Gonzalez thing. Boston offered younger guys like Bowden and Masterson and SD said Clay Buchholz and that was the end of it
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This is the same deal with Halladay. The Padres have no need to deal Gonzalez unless they get exactly what they want in a deal.

Not really I think San Diego would like to get rid of him and lose salary then trade Peavy in the offseason.

That is why they insist on a Morrison/Stanton.Get a very cheap replacement

[Fishfan79]

All depends on what we offer. They want this

1 of Morrison/Stanton/Maybin with Stanton their fave
and
2 ML ready pitchers (West and Miller)

This is where a healthy Anibal Sanchez,Kyle Winters,or Ryan Tucker would be useful or a RVH that was healthy and was dominanting AAA would come in handy


Its like the Boston/Gonzalez thing. Boston offered younger guys like Bowden and Masterson and SD said Clay Buchholz and that was the end of it
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Not really I think San Diego would like to get rid of him and lose salary then trade Peavy in the offseason.

That is why they insist on a Morrison/Stanton.Get a very cheap replacement

Morrison has a ton of potential really reminds of how Gonzalez was in the minors with the eye type of player. Except he has more power shown.

Hard to pass up a cheap signed player like Gonzalez for the long term considering how good he is and we can control him for a few more years. Plus he was doing it in a pitchers park, here he wouldnt get a downgrade in numbers most likely.

How is his defense?

[m26555]

Morrison has a ton of potential really reminds of how Gonzalez was in the minors with the eye type of player. Except he has more power shown.

Hard to pass up a cheap signed player like Gonzalez for the long term considering how good he is and we can control him for a few more years. Plus he was doing it in a pitchers park, here he wouldnt get a downgrade in numbers most likely.

How is his defense?
Gonzalez? He's phenomenal defensively; think Rafael Palmeiro.

[Fishfan79]

Gonzalez? He's phenomenal defensively; think Rafael Palmeiro.

then I guess it would be Cantu back to third for a year or two.

No way we could convince them (lace their drink with LSD?) and get them to take coughlin and gaby over logan right? :)

It would be a pretty sick lineup gotta say which is what we need.

[Omar]

Adrian Gonzalez 1b
4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option

* 4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
o signed extension with San Diego 4/07, replacing 1 year/$0.3805M contract which had been renewed 3/07
o $0.5M signing bonus
o 07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)
o award bonuses: $50,000 for Gold Glove, $25,000 for All Star selection
o 2008 All Star selection increased price of 2011 club option to $5.6M
* 1 year/$0.3275M (2006)
o re-signed by San Diego 2/06
* 1 year/$0.316M (2005)
o re-signed by San Diego 2/05 (split contract, $76,400 in minors)
* drafted 2000 (1-1)
* $3M signing bonus
* agent: John Boggs
* ML service: 3.108
That's an insanely good contract, especially if we set in our minds that he essentially removes Uggla from the team in the offseason without an issue.

I have no issues with Morrison/Maybin/Miller for him.

[Beef]

Oye

[m26555]

then I guess it would be Cantu back to third for a year or two.

No way we could convince them (lace their drink with LSD?) and get them to take coughlin and gaby over logan right? :)

It would be a pretty sick lineup gotta say which is what we need.
I wish, but I doubt it.

But yeah, Hanley/Gonzalez/Cantu in the middle of that order is just crazy.

[lou]

If SD asked for Stanton, Maybin, and Miller for Adrian and Bell, I would offer back

Morrison, Miller, Coghlan, and "any pitcher not named West in our farm system."

Stanton and Morrison have to be valued around the same, Miller is Miller, and Coghlan with Sanabia/Thompson/Tucker/Whoever, have to make up some off Maybin. Even throw in another good RP spec like Wood, or Cishek. That's a pretty solid deal for SD, and it doesn't mess with our core if we get back a mashing 1B to put behind Hanley for the next 5 years, and a closer for this year and next, who we could then trade.

* And I say Morrison over Stanton because positionally that makes more sense as we'd probably prefer Logan at 1B, but if push comes to shove, fuck it. Stanton goes in the deal to seal it, shift Morrion full time to LF. I'm game either way.

[marlinsfan24]

If SD asked for Stanton, Maybin, and Miller for Adrian and Bell, I would offer back

Morrison, Miller, Coghlan, and "any pitcher not named West in our farm system."

Stanton and Morrison have to be valued around the same, Miller is Miller, and Coghlan with Sanabia/Thompson/Tucker/Whoever, have to make up some off Maybin. Even throw in another good RP spec like Wood, or Cishek. That's a pretty solid deal for SD, and it doesn't mess with our core if we get back a mashing 1B to put behind Hanley for the next 5 years, and a closer for this year and next, who we could then trade.

Love that idea, but who'd lead off for us then? NOT BONI!!

[m26555]

Love that idea, but who'd lead off for us then? NOT BONI!!
If we were able to nab A-Gon, I could live with Boni leading off.

[Omar]

Bonifacio is staying in the lineup and you know it.

[m26555]

Bonifacio is staying in the lineup and you know it.
Yeah; he would probably get moved to LF. :indifferent

[Namaste]

I know all of the speculation makes for good fun conversation and I'm all for that but is there anyone out there who seriously believes/believed that we will/would acquire Halladay or AG?

[Beef]

Bonifacio will probably pitch every game not started by JJ

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[Maybin]

Morrison has a ton of potential really reminds of how Gonzalez was in the minors with the eye type of player. Except he has more power shown.

Hard to pass up a cheap signed player like Gonzalez for the long term considering how good he is and we can control him for a few more years. Plus he was doing it in a pitchers park, here he wouldnt get a downgrade in numbers most likely.

How is his defense?
He has a gold glove

[nny]

Stanton and Morrison have to be valued around the same

For as much as I love Logan and basically said what you said a few weeks ago :lol

There is a big difference between a good defensive, good base running right fielder and a slow bad defensive first baseman. While yes, offensively they should be about the same, we're also talking about as much as 20+ runs in value taking position, defense, and br into account. Hopefully that number is smaller but Stanton has so many other things going for him

Same reason I think Maybin is more valueable than Morrison even though I except a 100 OPS difference :marchmellow
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He has a gold glove

which means nothing

he's basically been dead average in his career statistically

[Omar]

Yeah; he would probably get moved to LF. :indifferent
I disagree. I think that if we do a deal that goes Morrison/Miller/Maybin, the lineup would look like this:

LF Coghlan
2B Bonifacio
SS The Man, the Myth, the Legend
1B Gonzalez
3B Cantu
CF Ross
RF Hermida
C Baker
Pitcher

Or, they could send Coghlan to the bench and start Uggla in LF. To be honest, Bonifacio isn't going to increase our defense in LF but he will increase it (by all measures we've read) by a lot at 2B.

I know all of the speculation makes for good fun conversation and I'm all for that but is there anyone out there who seriously believes/believed that we will/would acquire Halladay or AG?
I mean, the confirmed rumor is that the Padres offered it to us.....

[m26555]

I disagree. I think that if we do a deal that goes Morrison/Miller/Maybin, the lineup would look like this:

LF Coghlan
2B Bonifacio
SS The Man, the Myth, the Legend
1B Gonzalez
3B Cantu
CF Ross
RF Hermida
C Baker
Pitcher

Or, they could send Coghlan to the bench and start Uggla in LF. To be honest, Bonifacio isn't going to increase our defense in LF but he will increase it (by all measures we've read) by a lot at 2B.


I mean, the confirmed rumor is that the Padres offered it to us.....
Yeah I was saying if Coghs goes in the deal (per Lou's post), Boni would go to left.

[Fishfan79]

For as much as I love Logan and basically said what you said a few weeks ago :lol

There is a big difference between a good defensive, good base running right fielder and a slow bad defensive first baseman. While yes, offensively they should be about the same, we're also talking about as much as 20+ runs in value taking position, defense, and br into account. Hopefully that number is smaller but Stanton has so many other things going for him

Same reason I think Maybin is more valueable than Morrison even though I except a 100 OPS difference :marchmellow
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which means nothing

he's basically been dead average in his career statistically

dont you have to consider the potential for Stanton to bust is much higher then logan? With his K/BB ratios (albeit improving year by year), where Logan at worst becomes Lyle Overbay.


btw I love your writeups on the prospects over upon sickels website amazing write ups

[Omar]

Send Uggla to left over Bonifacio. Boner's defense is supposed to be really really good at second, and Uggla doesn't give us much there. He's also pretty much gone after this year anyways (and rightfully so). So let him play LF and give him more value playing two positions!

[Longview]

Uggla in left is a scary thought lol. I would rather have less range at second and a lot more range in left.

[Fish and Chips]

won a gold glove, so yea, above average defense

[tjfla]

Almost all the teams view Logan Morrison and Mike Stanton as the same player.

Differences-Morrison Left Stanton Right and Morrison Contact Stanton Power

[Omar]

San Diego has already played today and won't return to the field until 10:05 EST tomorrow night, so we won't be getting any lineup clues on their trading behavior.

[tjfla]

Just Speculation here

If we do the deal we can still move Uggla if need be. Houston and Minnesota are still interested in 2B after missing on Sanchez

Highly doubt Boner goes to the bench maybe CF?

[Beef]

Samson says there is no offer on the table of Stanton, Maybin, Miller for Bell and Gonzalez. Who knows whats what though, he says their phone is silent and people arent calling and he thinks people dont want to deal with them anymore

[nny]

dont you have to consider the potential for Stanton to bust is much higher then logan? With his K/BB ratios (albeit improving year by year), where Logan at worst becomes Lyle Overbay.


btw I love your writeups on the prospects over upon sickels website amazing write ups

I really think the only way stanton busts is if his power disspears. Even if he turns turns into a 40% K rate with 40 HR power, that means he's Russell Branyan, who still has a career OPS of .826 despite a .235 average. Except, unlike Branyan, he'd be a plus defender at a more premium position.

But if his power disappears, then he's in trouble.

I think in terms, if you look at it of

1 = what you except
2 = best case
and 0 = worst case

Logan has such a better chance of being atleast 1 and landing somewhere between 1 and 2, and Stanton has a lot better chance of landing between 0 and 1.

But because of Stanton's power, when looking at actual slash lines, there really isn't a difference.

and glad you like them 8D

[Longview]

Samson says there is no offer on the table of Stanton, Maybin, Miller for Bell and Gonzalez. Who knows whats what though, he says their phone is silent and people arent calling and he thinks people dont want to deal with them anymore

They are probably being David Samson's and now no one wants to talk to them.

[Beef]

Just guessing here, but if we trade for Heath Bell, maybe we can move and Uggla for Chris Seddon

[tjfla]

Just guessing here, but if we trade for Heath Bell, maybe we can move and Uggla for Chris Seddon

For Beef and Matt Wilson I will no longer bring up Dan Uggla. Long live Dan Uggla in South Florida
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Samson says there is no offer on the table of Stanton, Maybin, Miller for Bell and Gonzalez. Who knows whats what though, he says their phone is silent and people arent calling and he thinks people dont want to deal with them anymore

They don't wanna deal with us because when asking about a All Star who has a reasonable contract and is still young u can't just offer spare parts and nothing great

[Beef]

For Beef and Matt Wilson I will no longer bring up Dan Uggla. Long live Dan Uggla in South Florida


I want you to think about this I would love for you to write why your post was completely retarded. If you are not capable of that, then I think (know) you are an idiot

[Omar]

Samson says there is no offer on the table of Stanton, Maybin, Miller for Bell and Gonzalez. Who knows whats what though, he says their phone is silent and people arent calling and he thinks people dont want to deal with them anymore
I think David Samson is probably not very involved in trade talks.

Now, if Beinfest or Hill says this then there's much more credence.

[Ramp]

Would be quite excited if we obtained Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell

quite

[Beef]

I think David Samson is probably not very involved in trade talks.

Now, if Beinfest or Hill says this then there's much more credence.

I don't imagine we'd get much honest info from anyone right now

[Omar]

Probably true as well

[MiamiHomer]

Samson also said last year that we weren't talking to the Red Sox about Manny.

[Jewbility]

Samson is the biggest dorkus of all for using the word 'cerebellum'.

[Longview]

Samson is the biggest dorkus of all.

Yep

[m26555]

9:19am: Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel says the Padres wanted Cameron Maybin and Miller for Bell. The Fish have seen other trade ideas dry up as well, leading Rodriguez to suggest "it might be Nick Johnson or bust for the Marlins.

Way, way too much to give up for a reliever.

[Omar]

If that was the price for just Bell, then it's a good thing they said no

[tjfla]

That wasas NOT the Maybin offer the Padres made was
Heath Bell for Andrew Miller and Scott Cousins or Bryan Petersen

Which we rejected cause did not wanna deal Miller

Then they came up with
Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez for Andrew Miller,Sean West,1 of Maybin/Morrison/Stanton and Cousins or Petersen

Which we rejected again

[m26555]

That wasas NOT the Maybin offer the Padres made was
Heath Bell for Andrew Miller and Scott Cousins or Bryan Petersen

Which we rejected cause did not wanna deal Miller

Then they came up with
Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez for Andrew Miller,Sean West,1 of Maybin/Morrison/Stanton and Cousins or Petersen

Which we rejected again
This better be a joke...

[MiamiHomer]

This better be a joke...

I can see the Marlins not wanting to move both Lefties.

[m26555]

I can see the Marlins not wanting to move both Lefties.
I just think when an opportunity like that comes along, you HAVE to take it.

[Omar]

That wasas NOT the Maybin offer the Padres made was
Heath Bell for Andrew Miller and Scott Cousins or Bryan Petersen

Which we rejected cause did not wanna deal Miller

Then they came up with
Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez for Andrew Miller,Sean West,1 of Maybin/Morrison/Stanton and Cousins or Petersen

Which we rejected again
Why the hell was that deal rejected?!?!?!?

Miller/West/Morrison/Cousins for Bell/Gonzalez isn't good enough for them? Wtf?

I hope that's a false rumor

[MiamiHomer]

I just think when an opportunity like that comes along, you HAVE to take it.

I'm not saying I agree with it.

[Beef]

I would bet it is a false rumor

[BigGameFish]

Really?

Miller, West, Morrison, Peterson for AG and Bell?

Fuck i would do that trade in a second.

[Ralph]

Why the hell was that deal rejected?!?!?!?

Miller/West/Morrison/Cousins for Bell/Gonzalez isn't good enough for them? Wtf?

I hope that's a false rumor

It's something to think about but thats a steep fucking price. Miller, West and Logan/Maybin is alot. Now if they could have swapped Coghlan for Morrison/Maybin then you'd have to do it but i can understand why they passed.

[BigGameFish]

IF you get Gonzalez WE WOULDNT NEED MORRISON EVER!

[m26555]

It's something to think about but thats a steep fucking price. Miller, West and Logan is alot. Now if they could have swapped Coghlan for Morrison then you'd have to do it but i can understand why they passed.
I don't think that's that steep for a great closer and a guy who is going to hit 40+ homers while driving in 100+ runs. Plus, Gonzalez is cheap and would be under contract with us for a couple of years.

[Omar]

Gonzalez is signed through 2010 with a club option for 2011, and a stadium opening in 2012. It's not a stretch to see him in a Marlins' uniform for a long time.

Besides, what are we realistically giving up? A starter who hasn't figured it out yet and three prospects that could turn out to be nothing? Gonzalez is a young sure thing. That's a good deal.

[Party]

It's something to think about but thats a steep fucking price. Miller, West and Logan/Maybin is alot. Now if they could have swapped Coghlan for Morrison/Maybin then you'd have to do it but i can understand why they passed.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. 3/4 are suspect major league players/prospects and one especially has shown absolutely nothing for more than a month.

I would do that in a heartbeat for 2.5 years of Adrian Gonzalez.

[BigGameFish]

Gonzalez is signed through 2010 with a club option for 2011, and a stadium opening in 2012. It's not a stretch to see him in a Marlins' uniform for a long time.

Besides, what are we realistically giving up? A starter who hasn't figured it out yet and three prospects that could turn out to be nothing? Gonzalez is a young sure thing. That's a good deal.


Couldnt have said it better myself.

West is a guy who pitches to contact, in the playoffs he would get hammered by good lineups so losing him is not a big deal.

Miller might develop into something great but you have to give up something to get something (ADRIAN GONZALEZ!!!)

Morrison has a great chance to be special but with Gonzalez we dont need Morrison anymore!!!

This trade makes too much sense it cannot be true.

[tjfla]

Why the hell was that deal rejected?!?!?!?

Miller/West/Morrison/Cousins for Bell/Gonzalez isn't good enough for them? Wtf?

I hope that's a false rumor

That is what I heard yesterday thats is why I thought a deal would get done. But guess we rejected it. The problem I think was they wanted Stanton more than Morrison or Maybin.

Boston then jumped in and began talking about Gonzalez with San Diego asking for Buchholz,Masterson or Bowden and a prospect. Which is what they are talking about now

[BigGameFish]

I'm sure if this deal was true it would already be done.

[MiamiHomer]

It has to be SD insisting the Marlins to put Stanton in the deal.

[Fish and Chips]

are they still talking, or is this deal dead?

[tjfla]

Our biggest problem is when a team hears the Red Sox or Yankees are interested that turn all there attention there. Yes we have great prospects however are shy about trading them. The Red Sox have no problem trading 4 or 5 Good to Top Prospects because they know when International FA Time or Draft Time they can just get a guy who wants a big contract and sign him

It happens every year but thats what happens when u spend in different areas and not just $100,000 in Latin America or draft 23yr old college players from Rd 16-33

[BigGameFish]

Must be, honeslty Stanton, JJ, and Hanley are the only untouchables IMO any trade involving them is an automatic no.

But the more i think of this the angrier i get. Adrian Gonzalez! ugh. Prospects are prospect and we have plenty of them! Giving up a few (one projectable hitter who plays THE SAME DAMN POSITION) for AG is necessary. And our rotation would still be and could be

JJ
Volstad
Ricky
RVH
Anibal? Pavano (if we got him), a free agent replacement, whatever.

And next year or 2011 our lineup would include

Maybin
Hanley
Gonzo
Stanton
Cogs

Thats a championship contending team guys.

[tjfla]

are they still talking, or is this deal dead?

Dead right now San Diego is talking to 1 team and that is Boston. They are waiting for Theo to say the 2 magic words-Clay Buchholz
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Must be, honeslty Stanton, JJ, and Hanley are the only untouchables IMO any trade involving them is an automatic no.

But the more i think of this the angrier i get. Adrian Gonzalez! ugh. Prospects are prospect and we have plenty of them! Giving up a few (one projectable hitter who plays THE SAME DAMN POSITION) for AG is necessary. And our rotation would still be and could be

JJ
Volstad
Ricky
RVH
Anibal? Pavano (if we got him), a free agent replacement, whatever.

And next year or 2011 our lineup would include

Maybin
Hanley
Gonzo
Stanton
Cogs

Thats a championship contending team guys.

Like I said I think the issue was they WANTED Stanton in any deal for Gonzalez

[BigGameFish]

i know, but damn. Well im off now, hopefully when i get back we have done SOMETHING.

[McLevin]

Morrison has a great chance to be special but with Gonzalez we dont need Morrison anymore!!!
You can replace Morrison's name with Stanton's and technically have the same argument

People are throwing out Morrison to be a "who knows if he'll make it" big leaguer but you can still say the same for Stanton.

So for those who have no problem trading Morrison in an AdGonz deal, why do you have trouble trading Stanton?

[MiamiHomer]

Because we are all fascinated with a 20 year old that has that type of power and talent.(me included)

[m26555]

You can replace Morrison's name with Stanton's and technically have the same argument

People are throwing out Morrison to be a "who knows if he'll make it" big leaguer but you can still say the same for Stanton.

So for those who have no problem trading Morrison in an AdGonz deal, why do you have trouble trading Stanton?
I would do the deal for either, personally. Morrison and Stanton are what they are; they're prospects. They're damn good ones, yes, but they haven't proven a thing on the ML-level yet. If you could deal one of them plus Miller and West for 2.5 years of Adrian Gonzalez, a guy who has a .929 OPS in the Padres' lineup, you do it. Players like Gonzalez don't come around too often, and he would instantly make us a WS contender. We'd also be getting a pretty damn good closer in the deal, too.

[Beef]

For some it is because you are replacing your future first baseman with an all star first baseman if you trade Morrison. With Stanton, the thought is you lose a star in our weak outfield which would be harder to replace.

Still, everyone needs to stop looking at those supposed trade proposals with the damn slashes and "or"s all over the place and thinking, dang we couldve just given up these guys and gotten Gonzalez and Bell? No, we could not have. No no nono no no on o n onnonono onono n
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no
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[Mainge]

Couldnt have said it better myself.

West is a guy who pitches to contact, in the playoffs he would get hammered by good lineups so losing him is not a big deal.

Miller might develop into something great but you have to give up something to get something (ADRIAN GONZALEZ!!!)

Morrison has a great chance to be special but with Gonzalez we dont need Morrison anymore!!!

This trade makes too much sense it cannot be true.

If he has a chance to be special and has played LF some-what extensively, why would getting Gonzalez mean Morrison isn't needed anymore? (unless of course Morrison is included in the package, which would be likely)

[andre0814]

You can replace Morrison's name with Stanton's and technically have the same argument

People are throwing out Morrison to be a "who knows if he'll make it" big leaguer but you can still say the same for Stanton.

So for those who have no problem trading Morrison in an AdGonz deal, why do you have trouble trading Stanton?


This man hit it on the head the irony in this trade should bring back memories of 03 to booth us and Beinfest when we didn’t have to give up the all mighty (Stokes) for Urbina we just had to give up the other guy I forgot his name oh yea ADRIAN GONZALEZ!

[MiamiHomer]

lol Padres asking Boston for Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Masterson, and Westmoreland for A-Gon.

[Flum]

I'd rather just bring up Morrison than trade him and two of our best starting pitching options for Adrian Gonzalez and a reliever (which we don't really need).

[MiamiHomer]

12:26pm: A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is "astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay."

MLBtraderumors.

[Beef]

That's why it wasn't so easy to just say, hey, have Andrew Miller, dunzo deals?

[tjfla]

lol Padres asking Boston for Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Masterson, and Westmoreland for A-Gon.

Actually thats for Gonzalez and Bell


Pretty Much same package they asked from us

Buchholz=West
Anderson=Morrison/Stanton
Masterson=Miller
Westmoreland=Petersen/Cousins

[McLevin]

Buchholz >> West
Anderson > Morrison
Anderson < Stanton
Masterson > Miller
Westmoreland >>>>>>>>>> Petersen/Cousins

[Metes]

Chris Seddon >>>>>>> All

[MiamiHomer]

Yeah i find it hard to believe Petersen/Cousins is anything close to Westmoreland seeing as how the Red Sox considered him untouchable in the Halladay deal.

[Ralph]

Buchholz >> West
Anderson > Morrison
Anderson < Stanton
Masterson > Miller
Westmoreland >>>>>>>>>> Petersen/Cousins

no buddy.

[McLevin]

I'll admit that Anderson vs. Morrison was my toughest choice. I wish you could type a greater than or equal to sign

[¿NICK?]

no buddy.

yep, that's definitely wrong.

[McLevin]

Ok ok I'll give Morrison over Anderson lol

Even though I like Anderson quite a bit

[Omar]

I'll admit that Anderson vs. Morrison was my toughest choice. I wish you could type a greater than or equal to sign
..

≥

[McLevin]

HOW'D YOU DO THAT

[tjfla]

Yeah i find it hard to believe Petersen/Cousins is anything close to Westmoreland seeing as how the Red Sox considered him untouchable in the Halladay deal.

They aren't but Stanton is better than Anderson. So they be willing to take a little less in the OF spot. Petersen and Cousins are not bad cheap options and not 10 million like Brian Giles is lol

[Omar]

Macs let you do it

I'm also not convinced Masterson is better than Miller. Miller isn't quite ready yet for the bigs, but he's shown flashes and (more importantly) he's a starting pitcher. 180 IP > 50 IP

[MiamiHomer]

It does look like Boston should be out of this seeing as how other areas are reporting that they are getting Victor Martinez but don't what they gave u for him. With that being said, It's not like the Padres have to trade him or Bell away.

[McLevin]

Masterson could be a starter, he has 15 big league starts, 6 this year. He's best suited for the pen now but I don't think a return to the rotation is out of the question. And he's shown "flashes" too, and the ability to get it done at the big league level pretty consistently. If I had to choose one or the other for my team, I'm going with the guy who's already proved he can do it now and in the future.

[Metes]

Macs let you do it

I'm also not convinced Masterson is better than Miller. Miller isn't quite ready yet for the bigs, but he's shown flashes and (more importantly) he's a starting pitcher. 180 IP > 50 IP

Macs > Windoze

[Virtuoso]

1:18pm: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for Bell.MLBTRADERUMORS.com

Might be out of it.

[MiamiHomer]

1:18pm: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for Bell.

MLBtraderumors.

[tjfla]

Angels were on Bell last night but San Diego asked for Brandon Wood

[dgriot]

HOW'D YOU DO THAT

Assuming you don't know the Alt+Num Pad shortcut for the desired symbol, they're all listed in Character Map (usually under programs -> accessories -> system tools in most Windows iterations).

♥

http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/accents/index.html

[McLevin]

I don't know anything about computers I don't even know how I got to this site

Thank you DGRiot

[Virtuoso]

12:55pm: USA Today's Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire first baseman/catcher Victor Martinez from the Indians. Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse, trying to confirm, says it "looks good." FOX Sports agrees, and notes a lack of a third team involved. They also believe this kills the Adrian Gonzalez talks.
1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.
1:35pm: MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo says pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
MLBTRADERUMORS.com

Hmmm, think they are guna try another trade with those two? A-Gon?

[MiamiHomer]

Dodgers making a run at Gonzalez per MLB network.

[Ramp]

I'd guess James Loney would go to SDG?

weird

[MiamiHomer]

Yeah...Loney has been pretty disappointing and Harold Reynolds says Gonzalez isn't that much of an upgrade over Loney :fip.

[Virtuoso]

Buster Olney just said on ESPN that the Marlins still want Bell.

[Sashimi]

Padres reportedly wanted both Miller and Maybin for Bell. I know Miller's stock has dropped, but damn that's a steep price for a reliever.

[MiamiHomer]

Padres reportedly wanted both Miller and Maybin for Bell. I know Miller's stock has dropped, but damn that's a steep price for a reliever.

That's old news.

[Flum]

Why the hell do the Marlins need a reliever? Why are they so interested in Bell? I don't understand.

[Ramp]

Why the hell do the Marlins need a reliever? Why are they so interested in Bell? I don't understand.

we don't know what we're doing

[MiamiHomer]

we don't know what we're doing

Ramp when the hell are you going to take over baseball operations.

[Ramp]

Ramp when the hell are you going to take over baseball operations.

2.5 years... but not down in Miami :marchmellow

[MiamiHomer]

2.5 years... but not down in Miami :marchmellow

I hope you have a job waiting for me where you go.

[Ramp]

I hope you have a job waiting for me where you go.

:thumbup

[MiamiHomer]

:thumbup

Perfect.

[nny]

I'm gonna be like that guy in office space who keeps going to work but isn't on payroll and then ramp is never gonna listen to me and imma mumble about burning down the building but instead i'll probably just make a peanutbutter sandwhich

[MiamiHomer]

I'm gonna be like that guy in office space who keeps going to work but isn't on payroll and then ramp is never gonna listen to me and imma mumble about burning down the building but instead i'll probably just make a peanutbutter sandwhich

I believe you have my stapler.