Dan Uggla: What a Trade Could Have Meant

[tjfla]

I hope that everyone remembers this day in November. Freddy Sanchez was traded for Tim Alderson,so in other words we could have gotten Alderson and atleast 1 other prospect maybe 2 for Uggla.

Next year rotation if we traded Uggla NOW
JJ
Nolasco
Volstad
Alderson
West

Instead we are gonna deal him at the Winter Meetings for a package not even close to Alderson by himself

Terrible move by the team especially since Coghlan or Boner will be the 2B Next Year

[MiamiHomer]

:sad:

[Bobbob1313]

:(.

[nny]

Yeah Sabean trading for Garko (goodbye cantu partner) and sanchez (goodbye uggla partner) basically crashes both of their returns.

[Fishfan79]

really think we were offered alderson for uggla? Even with how bad his play has been this year ( I know his BB are up but still his numbers are rather scary).

I would of loved Alderson

[tjfla]

Yep next year as well. No need to trade for Uggla when u got Sanchez


Bet is they would probably even give more for Uggla due to them wanting a Power Bat and Sanchez is more of contact

[MiamiHomer]

really think we were offered alderson for uggla? Even with how bad his play has been this year ( I know his BB are up but still his numbers are rather scary).

I would of loved Alderson

He didn't mean right now.

[tjfla]

really think we were offered alderson for uggla? Even with how bad his play has been this year ( I know his BB are up but still his numbers are rather scary).

I would of loved Alderson

I would think they would have. No clue if they did but Uggla is younger,gonna be cheaper,and more power
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From RealGM

The Giants have been unquestionably horrible at second base offensively and his .776 OPS for 2009 will be an upgrade over the collective 28th ranked .604. But I don't see the logic in propping up this club's flimsy chance of being a true contender with a light hitting 31-year-old.

Sanchez is ranked 12th in OPS amongst second basemen, ahead of Dan Uggla's .764, but the Giants have a far greater need for a slugger than another high average, low OBP, low pop hitter. Sanchez has just six homers and none since June 21st.


In other words they probably wanted Uggla and was told he is not available so Sanchez was Plan B

[lou]

I'm really sad by some of the information here. I'd give them Uggla/Cantu or Uggla/Ross immediately for Aldersen, Barnes, and say two other B prospects.

[Ralph]

w/e maybe he gets hot and he raises his value in time for the offseason. Hit a homer as we speak.

[MiamiHomer]

w/e maybe he gets hot and he raises his value in time for the offseason. Hit a homer as we speak.

One could only hope and I finally it extremely unlikely that SF would have done a Uggla/Alderson deal at this time. I mean Sabean can't be that stupid can he?

[Bobbob1313]

I'm going to start a thread titled 'jeremy hermida' so he'll
hit a homer next.

[tjfla]

I'm really sad by some of the information here. I'd give them Uggla/Cantu or Uggla/Ross immediately for Aldersen, Barnes, and say two other B prospects.

Same here but u know we are in a race and we can't get rid of Uggla or Ross:fipp:

2 guys that won't be here in 2010 could have netted us a SP,a lefty and prospects EASILY

What u guys don't realize is teams don't pay high value if they don't need the position. There were 3 teams that wanted a 2B and now there is 2 with 1 of them only wanting a 2B because they are in a race.

[Beef]

What do we know about Dan Uggla's value?

[tjfla]

What do we know about Dan Uggla's value?

Well we have to base it off the Sanchez deal so a Top Pitching Prospect but that falls once the offseason comes around


Been telling u guys for weeks now- Dan Uggla,Cody Ross,Kiko Calero are ALL at their highest value and Not 1 of them will be here next year.

[Beef]

I don't think Dan Uggla has any value. I think as bad as he may be and as much as it might suck, he has more value as a Marlin and remaining on this team than he would anywhere else and I doubt we'd get anything for him

[m26555]

I really don't care if we could have gotten Alderson for him. I want to play for this year, and Uggla is extremely important to this team's success.

[MiamiHomer]

I care though.

[tjfla]

I really don't care if we could have gotten Alderson for him. I want to play for this year, and Uggla is extremely important to this team's success.

Everyone remember this come Winter Meeting time when we get 3 guys who combined are not worth Alderson let alone Alderson and 1 or 2 other prospects.

Big time drop by us. Could have dealt him moved Boner to 2B and either let Gaby or Coghlan play 3B and callup Maybin or start Brett Carroll.

Alderson is a legit #3 SP/possible #2 who will be ready next year

[¿NICK?]

It's ridiculous how under appreciated Dan Uggla is by Marlins fans. Second Baseman who hit 30 HRs, drive in 90 rbis, and put up .800+ OPS every single year don't grow on trees. In fact, outside of Chase Utley, they don't exist.
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Everyone remember this come Winter Meeting time when we get 3 guys who combined are not worth Alderson let alone Alderson and 1 or 2 other prospects.

Big time drop by us. Could have dealt him moved Boner to 2B and either let Gaby or Coghlan play 3B and callup Maybin or start Brett Carroll.

Alderson is a legit #3 SP/possible #2 who will be ready next year

And we'd be 10 games under .500.

[nny]

The steroids made his penis small though

[McLevin]

Despite what seems like an incredibly miserable season from him, he's only .027 OPS points away from an .800 OPS

[Beef]

I'm still curious why we should think in the winter meetings that we could have had something one year earlier for a guy even if that was never offered and would not have been given up by the team that traded him. Yeah, in some parallel universe maybe that could have happened, but I don't have any info that leads me to believe we should just assume that deal happens in this universe

[m26555]

Everyone remember this come Winter Meeting time when we get 3 guys who combined are not worth Alderson let alone Alderson and 1 or 2 other prospects.

Big time drop by us. Could have dealt him moved Boner to 2B and either let Gaby or Coghlan play 3B and callup Maybin or start Brett Carroll.

Alderson is a legit #3 SP/possible #2 who will be ready next year
Like I said; I don't care about the Winter Meetings. I'm worried about the 2009 season.

[Bucklin12]

Alderson has been overrated his entire career anyways. He's a 4, a 3 maybe. The deal is still a steal for Neal, but it's not ridiculous.

[nny]

Alderson has been overrated his entire career anyways. He's a 4, a 3 maybe. The deal is still a steal for Neal, but it's not ridiculous.

I disagree majorly

I mean

If he puts up 2.3 BB/9, 5.5 K/9, 0.8 HR/9, we're talking about a 3.9 FIP, so a 2 or very good 3.

He could also put up a 2 BB/9, 7 K/9, and 0.8 HR/9 for a 3.33 FIP.

I don't see 4 at all unless you think his walk numbers crash in the majors. A #2 to me.

[Bucklin12]

Anytime a 6'6" young guy does well in the Cal League, certain expectations are set. He's not a frontline guy, and while I think there's a very sensible argument for him to be a 2, I don't think that's who he will be. You know who Alderson is to me?

Volstad MiLB Career: 57.6% GB / 15.2% LD - 3.69 FIP - 6.2 K/9 - 2.4 BB/9 - 0.5 HR/9
Alderson MiLB Career: 46.1% GB / 14.4% LD - 3.59 FIP - 7.3 K/9 - 1.8 BB/9 - 0.5 HR/9

While I love Volstad, he's a middle of the rotation innings eater. Alderson gives you another K, but he also gives up a lot more flyballs so I think his HR rate jumps as high as Volstad's in the majors (1.0/9), maybe higher.

[tjfla]

Ya Alderson is a legit #3 starter possibly #2 however he could be the Top Pitching Prospect for a number of teams. BA ranked him #4 in the Giants system behind Buster Posey and Bumgartner. Its not like he is ranked #4 in the Houston or NY Mets system.

I just can't believe people look at 1 season at a time with this team. Until we get a stadium and start paying guys,we will never be a 1 season at a time team. I wanna win just like everyone else.

[¿NICK?]

Ya Alderson is a legit #3 starter possibly #2 however he could be the Top Pitching Prospect for a number of teams. BA ranked him #4 in the Giants system behind Buster Posey and Bumgartner. Its not like he is ranked #4 in the Houston or NY Mets system.

I just can't believe people look at 1 season at a time with this team. Until we get a stadium and start paying guys,we will never be a 1 season at a time team. I wanna win just like everyone else.

What the fuck does this even mean? Of course every team has to look at it one season at a time. If we hadn't looked at it one season at of time we would've never won 2 world series'. Yeah those down years after our championships sucked, but I sure as hell wouldn't have traded those world series' for more wins in those seasons.

Of course you have to plan for the future, but the most important time is always right now.

[tjfla]

It means u think small market teams play 1 season at a time?

The last time we played 1 season at a time we traded a Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Ya great move at the time and we won the WS but imagine if we kept Adrian Gonzalez. We could have called Toronto and offered a Morrison or Stanton package for Halladay and no one would have said a word because Gonzalez would be locked in at 1B.

All I am saying is until we get a stadium and signing guys Long Term we need to look future more than 1 season at a time.

[¿NICK?]

You can't think like that, the goal is to win World Series' and without Urbina we don't win that World Series', heck we don't make the playoffs. That's really all that matters. That trade happened 6 years ago. There's no way Gonzalez would still be around anyway.

Teams that are constantly looking past the season at hand are the teams that are constantly losing. It's fine to look ahead, but the future should never get in the way of the present.

[m26555]

It means u think small market teams play 1 season at a time?

The last time we played 1 season at a time we traded a Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Ya great move at the time and we won the WS but imagine if we kept Adrian Gonzalez. We could have called Toronto and offered a Morrison or Stanton package for Halladay and no one would have said a word because Gonzalez would be locked in at 1B.

All I am saying is until we get a stadium and signing guys Long Term we need to look future more than 1 season at a time.
Yeah; if we would have kept Gonzalez, we probably wouldn't have won the WS in 2003. If you make a trade that helps you win a WS, REGARDLESS of who you traded, it was a great move. Just because we're a small market team doesn't mean we can't play one season at a time. We have a GREAT opportunity to make the playoffs and make some noise in them to boot this year; if that's the case, then WHY in the world would we look to 2010?

[nny]

so what happens when we fail because we aren't that good of a team but then we also ruin our chances to win later?

you strike while the iron is hot

[Metes]

nny, can you do one of your stats thingies on Urbina and his WAR or whatever his added value was over our average reliever at the time?

We hear quite a bit that we wouldn't have won WS without Urbina, I'd just like to see that quantified a little bit if possible.

[nny]

no.

[Metes]

Very well.
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[nny]

yes.

[Metes]

Oh. Rock on.

[nny]

Thanks.
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[Omar]

Ya great move at the time and we won the WS but imagine if we kept Adrian Gonzalez.
I imagined it, and it ended with no World Series in any year. I'm not sure you entirely understand the point of playing baseball.

so what happens when we fail because we aren't that good of a team but then we also ruin our chances to win later?

you strike while the iron is hot
I can't fault the FO for making a move to try and win. If it's a crappy move, that's a different story. But to quote the immortal Herm Edwards, "You play to win the game!"

[nny]

Yeah, the appearance of producing is better than actual production.

[Hugg]

This thread is on the member list right now for some reason...

Tim Alderson sucks. God, imagine if we traded Uggla for him.

[Swifty]

U NO it?