Marlins @ Cardinals - 1:05

[Swifty]

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/images/spring_training/y2010/roger_dean_stadium_343x192.jpg

Round 2 of the battle for Roger Dean. Today we are the road team. No Pujols for StL today.


MARLINS:

1) Cameron Maybin, CF

2) Donnie Murphy, 2B

3) Hanley Ramirez, SS

4) Jorge Cantu, 3B

5) Gaby Sanchez, 1B

6) Brett Carroll, RF

7) Bryan Petersen, LF

8) Brett Hayes, C

9) Sean West, P

CARDINALS:

1) Julio Lugo, SS

2) Felipe Lopez, 2B

3) Ryan Ludwick, RF

4) Matt Holliday, LF

5) Yadier Molina, C

6) David Freese, 3B

7) Nick Stavinoha, DH

8) Joe Mather, 1B

9) Shane Robinson, CF

[Party]

Go Fish.

[Namaste]

I have a really dumb question

Why does STL have a DH but we don't?

[Bobbob1313]

Fredi wants the pitchers working on hitting.

[AdamRavs]

sean west needs to work on pitching not swinging a bat

[Namaste]

Fredi wants the pitchers working on hitting.



Seriously?
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West looks like shit

[AdamRavs]

wish this game was on tv.. at least i can listen to it

[Fish and Chips]

Seriously?
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West looks like shit

The marlins pitchers batted .118 last year, 2nd lowest in the NL
13th in hits, 16th in SO, 13 in ops. we had one of the worst batting rotation in the league.

[Swifty]

Seriously?
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West looks like shit

Awesome, right? Not like we have a group of players (Sanchez, Morrison, Jiminez, Richar) trying to make the club as a hitter.

[Metes]

Don't forget Donnie Murphy

[Swifty]

BC hits one out. 4-1 bad guys.

[Namaste]

The marlins pitchers batted .118 last year, 2nd lowest in the NL
13th in hits, 16th in SO, 13 in ops. we had one of the worst batting rotation in the league.



They can practice hitting the other 21 hours of the day that they're not playing in a game.

[lou]

I have no problem with the pitchers hitting. It treats it more like a real game to them and they do need live reps. It's not like we would uncover a gem with Barden, Murphy, Lamb, Jimenez, Luna, etc. All of them are "replacement level" or "nominal at best" so it really doesn't matter who inevitably makes the club. They probably wouldn't last the year in any situation.

I see 12 position player spots already wrapped up - Baker, G. Sanchez (bench or starter), Uggla, Hanley, Cantu, Coghlan, Maybin, Ross, Paulino, Bonifacio, Carroll, and Helms. They are going to send Morrison (delay arb, wouldn't hurt to get 200+ PA in NOLA), Petersen, Cousins, Stanton, Jai, and Hayes back to the minors.

So the question really is, does anybody really care who the 25th man is? Is an extra PA a week for each one of the contenders going to determine the competition for this slot? I don't think so. I'd just give it to Jimenez to see if he can hang, and if not, just go to plan B, i.e. rotate AAAA players, for pinch hitting until Morrison/Petersen/Whoever "tells" us they are ready to come up for good.
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BC hits one out. 4-1 bad guys.

versus Rich Hill, a lefty

[Beef]

Shane-o with the start!

[Swifty]

I have no problem with the pitchers hitting. It treats it more like a real game to them and they do need live reps. It's not like we would uncover a gem with Barden, Murphy, Lamb, Jimenez, Luna, etc. All of them are "replacement level" or "nominal at best" so it really doesn't matter who inevitably makes the club. They probably wouldn't last the year in any situation.

I see 12 position player spots already wrapped up - Baker, G. Sanchez (bench or starter), Uggla, Hanley, Cantu, Coghlan, Maybin, Ross, Paulino, Bonifacio, Carroll, and Helms. They are going to send Morrison (delay arb, wouldn't hurt to get 200+ PA in NOLA), Petersen, Cousins, Stanton, Jai, and Hayes back to the minors.

So the question really is, does anybody really care who the 25th man is? Is an extra PA a week for each one of the contenders going to determine the competition for this slot? I don't think so. I'd just give it to Jimenez to see if he can hang, and if not, just go to plan B, i.e. rotate AAAA players, for pinch hitting until Morrison/Petersen/Whoever "tells" us they are ready to come up for good.
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versus Rich Hill, a lefty

I care because our projected bench is very right handed and not very versatile. If an extra 30 spring AB's makes Richar or Lamb shine then I think it's worth it. "Game situation" for the pitchers, especially in the first 2 weeks of ST is stupid. We're giving them a 30 or 40 pitch leash, let them be in "game situations" for what they're expected to do first before we throw them into the batter's box.

I agree with you that the group we have in camp right now is very uninspiring and, with the exception of Logan/Gaby, those guys are playing for a bench spot and 6 AB's a week, so no big deal, but we still have to try to figure out what we have in these guys, and given that it's 5 guys for 1 starting spot and 1 PH role, using the DH makes a lot of sense.

[Fish and Chips]

5-3 cards

but maybin was injured running home
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5-4 off a jimenez rbi

[mbitcronod12]

JoeFrisaro: #Marlins Maybin looks like he pulled a left hammy or groin

via Twitter

[Bobbob1313]

Maybin's injury look bad?

[mbitcronod12]

Maybin has a left groin strain. Info also via Twitter.

[Swifty]

Groin strain. That just sidelined Russell Martin for 4-6 weeks. :(

[mbitcronod12]

Maybin was injured while racing from first to home on Donnie Murphy's two-run double in the eighth inning against the Cardinals

Projected as the Marlins center fielder, Maybin pulled up close to home plate, and hobbled across the plate.

Scott Cousins replaced Maybin in center field.

Fish Pond (http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/maybin_pulls_up_hurt.html)

[Swifty]

Sign Sheffield. (Somewhat serious)

[Bobbob1313]

Fuuuuuuuuck.

[Namaste]

Groin strains are really nagging. Unreal.

[Swifty]

I know in '05 with LoDuca it was a hammy and not his groin, but hopefully we learned from that debacle and just shut Maybin down for 3 weeks or a month or whatever and don't let him be hobbled all season.

Seriously though, if Stanton is a "no how, no way" player for us (which he probably should be) sign Sheffield, move Ross back to center and play with that group for the first couple weeks of April.
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7-4 bad guys going into the 9th.

[wanks1212]

Could probably just shift Ross back to center and platoon Carroll with either Cousins or Peterson (whoever hits better in Spring) and get decent production for a few weeks. They'd be awesome defensively, at the least, and likely tread water at the plate.

Anyway, yeah, shut Maybin down for a month, and hope he's fully recovered when he comes back. Or as fully recovered as possible as one can be with a groin strain.

[Namaste]

THE MARLINS DO NOT QUIT

[Swifty]

We lose, Maybin's hurt.

Season's over.

[Namaste]

We lose, Maybin's hurt.

Season's over.



:lol


Rep'd

[Beef]

Swift don't need your reppage