Marlins Minor League Affiliates

[Todd]

Every Marlins farm team PDC expires in 2010 aside from the Hammerheads, who are owned by the Marlins. Other farm teams opening up in 2010:
AAA:
International League
Buffalo Bison
Charlotte Knights
Durham Bulls
Norfolk Tides
Pawtucket Red Sox
Rochester Red Wings
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees
Syracuse Chiefs

Pacific Coast League
Albuquerque Isotopes
Colorado Springs Sky Sox
Fresno Grizzlies
Las Vegas 51s
Nashville Sounds
Oklahoma RedHawks
Omaha Royals
Portland Beavers
Reno Aces
Round Rock Express
Sacramento River Cats
Tacoma Rainiers

AA:
Southern League
Birmingham Barons
Carolina Mudcats
Chattanooga Lookouts
Huntsville Stars
Mobile BayBears
Montgomery Biscuits
West Tennessee Diamond Jaxx

Eastern League
Binghampton Mets
Bowie Baysox
Erie Seawolves
Harrisburg Senators
New Britain Rock Cats
Richmond Flying Squirrels

Texas League
Arkansas Travelers
San Antonio Missions
Tulsa Drillers

A
Midwest League
Bowling Green Hot Rods
Burlington Bees
Clinton Lumber Kings
Fort Wayne Tin Caps
Great Lakes Loons
Kane County Cougars
Lake County Captains
Lansing Lugnuts
Quad Cities River Bandits

South Atlantic League
Augusta GreenJackets
Delmarva Shorebirds
Hagarstown Suns
Hickory Crawdads
Kannapolis Intimidators
Lakewood Blue Claws
Savannah Sand Gnats
West Virginia Power

Short Season A
New York-Penn League
Aberdeen IronBirds
Auburn Doubledays
Batavia Muckdogs
Hudson Valley Renegade
Lowell Spinners
Mahoning Valley Scrappers
Oneonta Tigers
State College Spikes
Tri-City ValleyCats
Vermont Lake Monsters
Williamsport Crosscutters

Northwest League
Everett AquaSox
Spokane Indians
Tri-City Dust Devils
Vancouver Canadians
Yakima Bears

Rookie
Appalachian League
Burlington Royals
Pulaski Mariners

Pioneer League
Casper Ghosts
Great Falls Voyagers
Helena Brewers
Idaho Falls Chukars
Missoula Osprey
Ogden Raptors

[wanks1212]

The Marlins should just drop their AAA affiliate and go with two AA affiliates. Better competition there anyway.

WHO'S COMING WITH ME

[Todd]

Dont be such a wanker.

[nny]

Considering the location of Jax and NOLA, the fact that NOLA is on the good side of the PCL, I'd like to keep both of them. The GCL team plays in Jupiter aswell so I assume we own them? so R isn't moving. That leaves Jamestown and Greensboro, both massive hitters parks so I'd like to see us move from them.

[Todd]

You can have more than one Rookie team, most teams do actually. I could see them leaving New Orleans, mostly because no one stays there very long(Marlins are their 4th affiliate in 6 years). Probably alot to do with travel in relation to the rest of the PCL and poor crowds(Jacksonville has this problem as well-Greensboro outdrew both of them last year both by total and average attendance).

[Todd]

I would also like to add I support the addition of a 2nd rookie team. They tried to a few years ago to get into the Appalachian League I think but it fell through. I dont know what others think but I think it would be a good idea.

[tjfla]

Ya they wont move out of Greensboro. Good location to other minor league teams,great stadium even tho its big,and good fans

They wanted to move to the Appy League 2 years ago to bring all there minor leagues to the South and be closer to Greensboro however its hard because most of the teams own the teams there. Maybe the Mariners would wanna move to the NYPL and open up a spot but I doubt it

The other problem they had was what u gonna do with college players? If u have 2 Rookie teams and no SS team u gonna have 22 yr old pitching to 17 yr olds.I don't mind it however I heard some people would rather let them face good competition and see how they do. That is all SS and Rookie ball really is. Sign a guy and see what he can do. If he is older and is great he moves up,if he is older and sucks u put him on the DL and release him.

But I agree only 1 team with chance to move in Jamestown. Greensboro has to many good things to leave the place(even tho that stadium kills our young arms)

[Todd]

Ya they wont move out of Greensboro. Good location to other minor league teams,great stadium even tho its big,and good fans

They wanted to move to the Appy League 2 years ago to bring all there minor leagues to the South and be closer to Greensboro however its hard because most of the teams own the teams there. Maybe the Mariners would wanna move to the NYPL and open up a spot but I doubt it

The other problem they had was what u gonna do with college players? If u have 2 Rookie teams and no SS team u gonna have 22 yr old pitching to 17 yr olds.I don't mind it however I heard some people would rather let them face good competition and see how they do. That is all SS and Rookie ball really is. Sign a guy and see what he can do. If he is older and is great he moves up,if he is older and sucks u put him on the DL and release him.

But I agree only 1 team with chance to move in Jamestown. Greensboro has to many good things to leave the place(even tho that stadium kills our young arms)
You can keep your short season team and still have two rookie teams. The Mariners, which you mentioned, do. As do the Rays, Astros, Cardinals, Mets, and Orioles. The Appalachian League isnt the only option for another Rookie team, as theres also the Pioneer League.

That said, you are right that if anyone was going to move it would probably be Jamestown(I would say New Orleans is just as likely as well though).

I would like to see them move back into the Midwest League for both selfish and practical reasons...one, I could go to the games, and two its hard to really gauge any player in the SALLY league as it is just an unreal environment for hitters. And added to the fact that you go from one extreme in the SALLY to another in the Florida State League, I suspect its one of the reasons the Marlins have had a hard time developing position players from within(the Marlins are one of only 5 teams to have their A and High A teams in the SALLY and FSL...the Phillies, Yankees, Pirates, and Mets are the others).

[nc42dad]

Greensboro is a great venue for our young guys to get their first taste of full season baseball. The town itself is big enough to have all the amenities that most kids are used to having at home. The Boosters are very, very helpful for the players and they help the guys out with everything from dishes/microwaves/bed sheets/TVs and I can't imagine better hospitality anywhere else.

It isn't the greatest place for pitchers but you might as well learn the hard way right off the bat IMO. Maybe they could keep the grass a little longer - it is faster than turf there. Hopefully, they continue on in Greensboro because there are a lot of other cities in the SAL that don't come close to what that city has to offer. 7,000 people at just about every game too!

[Todd]

Yea, Greensboro has the highest attendance of all the Marlins affiliates. But it isnt the only park thats hard on pitchers. The entire league is a hitters league, why I dont really know. Something to do with higher elevations I suppose.

[nny]

The Sally isn't a hitters league. Both the sally and midwest league have basically the same OPS.

[nc42dad]

The Sally isn't a hitters league. Both the sally and midwest league have basically the same OPS.


I think the big difference in the SALLY is where you pitch. One park (Greenville) has the exact same dimensions as Fenway. Greensboro is tuff - might be a combo of altitude/dimensions/extremely fast turf) Delmarva is the place to be if you are a pitcher - no carry there at all. I saw Skipworth hit a ball there as hard as anyone I saw hit all summer and it didn't even make it to the warning track!

Living in the Midwest and having seen games here for many years (Kane County/Peoria to name a few), the grass is much greener and slower here than in the South. The Cubs keep their Peoria turf similar to Wrigley - LONG!

As for OPS, I have no idea. Look at the Marlin's A-ball numbers when they were at Kane County versus Greensboro - that might be interesting to see.

[Todd]

I am still hoping for a 2nd rookie team(there are 8 opening up) and a different AAA affiliate.

[dgriot]

a different AAA affiliate.

The Marlins have agreed to extend their player-development contract with Triple A New Orleans through 2012.

Stanton Takes Five Hit Performance In Stride ( http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/13/1774174/stanton-takes-five-hit-performance.html#ixzz0wV1VKFL3)

[marlins_virus.exe]

woohoo!

[Todd]

This sucks. Must of been no other AAA affiliates available.

[marlins_virus.exe]

This sucks. Must of been no other AAA affiliates available.
must have

[Todd]

Sorry teacher. May I be excused to use the restroom?

[Ramp]

what's wrong with NOLA

[Bobbob1313]

what's wrong with NOLA

It's Todd.

[marlins_virus.exe]

Sorry teacher. May I be excused to use the restroom?
I am literally a teacher

just for the record

[Todd]

New Orleans has the same crappy weather variables as Miami, has a stadium that is meh by AAA standards, , and has some truly horrific attendance numbers. The teams that end up there do so because they have no other choice and get out at the first opportunity, historically.

[mbitcronod12]

I'm actually with Todd on this one. The stadium is bad, both the way the stadium is set up and the attendance. I went to a college baseball game back in May that had a better stadium and better attendance that New Orleans.

Now, I admit I don't have much experience with minor league stadiums but I have been to the stadium for the Astros AAA affliate in Round Rock and it is so much nicer than the stadium in New Orleans. And that is in a suburb of Austin.

It's better than the absolutely worthless affliation we had with Albuqurque but there has to be a better option for us than NOLA.

[jay576]

The point is New Orleans is closer to Miami then say Albuqurque is.

[marlins_virus.exe]

we've now extended with Greensboro

The Greensboro Grasshoppers and Florida Marlins extended their player development contract for two more seasons, the parent Marlins announced.

Greensboro has been an affiliate of the Marlins in the Class A South Atlantic League since 2003. Then, the Greensboro club was called the Greensboro Bats.

http://www.thetimesnews.com/sports/league-36282-burlington-home.html

[tjfla]

I don't think we will leave Greensboro or Jax for years. Both very nice stadiums,Greensboro has great fans and we put good products.

The reason we are at NOLA is not anything more than its in great spot. We can play our young prospects there and not have to worry about someone hitting 50 HR or a pitcher have a 8.00 ERA. Plus its a easy flight from NOLA to Miami or Jax.

Jamestown is still a problem however the guys play on 5 months there and we have a good relationship. So its not really a major issue-if a guy is destroying the GCL we can always just send them GBoro like we have done before

[Hugg]

Ok...New Orleans has crappy weather variables and bad attendance?

Doesn't that make them the perfect affiliate for us? Aren't the minors to prepare for the majors?

I'd rather we not get a AAA affiliate that outdraws us from time to time, that'd just be embarrassing.


And now comes the part where I quit pretending I give a flying fuck about what our minor league teams attendance is like. Like seriously...who gives a fuck.

[Bobbob1313]

Yeah, why is our AAA attendance an issue?

[Party]

Because the model in 5 years may very well be the Major League club owning a significant portion of the AAA club. The Braves did it with their AAA team and now San Diego is looking to do it with the Beavers (in SoCa).

[Bobbob1313]

Are we tied into NoLa in 5 years?

[Party]

No, but the question was whether our AAA attendance is an issue. I was just pointing out that the model in baseball is changing and those types of questions could be really important very soon.

If this is the new model the Marlins will be one of the last teams to do it anyways. We're going to get saddled with a third rate AAA market regardless.

[tjfla]

If we really wanna get out of the NYPL the time is now

Baltimore is leaving Bluefield in the Appy League

So we can move there if we want to have all of our teams in the south,also Bluefield is in West Virginia so a very short drive to Greensboro

[Todd]

I would rather have a rookie advanced and a short season A team, personally.

[jay576]

I am personally a fan of having more minor league affiliates.

[tjfla]

I am personally a fan of having more minor league affiliates.

U guys realize that more teams=more cash u gotta pay?

Samson and Loria would prolly like 3 Minor League teams however I think u need a minimum.

Its like when we used to have a VSL team then a split VSL Team with Detroit then NO VSL team. We are so cheap I wouldnt be surprised if they asked MLB if they could have the AAA play in the new ballpark on the days the ML club isnt playing:lol

I could see the marketing now. Come watch a Florida Double header-AAA Dade County DevilFish vs Durham Bulls then stay and watch Miami Marlins vs NY Mets. All for 40 bucks a ticket

[Mainge]

I would fucking love that to be honest.

[marlins_virus.exe]

I think that'd be pretty cool too :lol